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Quote from: wormbog on May 30, 2013, 05:07:57 PM

Think about this: if the Fed can print money at will, why does it matter how much debt we're in?

In the Weimar Republic a guy drives a wheelbarrow full of money into a Bakery. The staff told him they don't want the money, but he can give him some Bread for the empty wheelbarrow. So he dips the money into the street gutter around the corner and takes the the empty wheelbarrow back in to get some Bread.
More heat was produced to burn the money instead of buying wood with it.
Towards the end of it new money was not printed, instead additional zeros where stamped onto existing notes.

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But wood is better for barbecuing than burning dollars.

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Quote from: wormbog on May 30, 2013, 05:07:57 PM

Think about this: if the Fed can print money at will, why does it matter how much debt we're in?

In the Weimar Republic a guy drives a wheelbarrow full of money into a Bakery. The staff told him they don't want the money, but he can give him some Bread for the empty wheelbarrow. So he dips the money into the street gutter around the corner and takes the the empty wheelbarrow back in to get some Bread.
More heat was produced to burn the money instead of buying wood with it.
Towards the end of it new money was not printed, instead additional zeros where stamped onto existing notes.

Bitcoin is a good Hedge

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Quote from: wormbog on May 30, 2013, 05:07:57 PM

Things were much worse during the Great Depression, and we recovered from that.

Think about this: if the Fed can print money at will, why does it matter how much debt we're in?

Well, Keynes was wrong about everything else, too, except that in the long run we're all dead.

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Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, France, Congo, Sudan, Yemen, Zimbabwe... That's only to name a few. You should check the international news. There are many sinking ships in the world, today.

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Quote from: wormbog on May 30, 2013, 05:07:57 PM

Things were much worse during the Great Depression, and we recovered from that.

Think about this: if the Fed can print money at will, why does it matter how much debt we're in?

Must assume you're being sarcastic. Or that you don't know what inflation is (or understand it in detail).

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Quote from: wormbog on May 30, 2013, 05:07:57 PM

Things were much worse during the Great Depression, and we recovered from that.

Think about this: if the Fed can print money at will, why does it matter how much debt we're in?

First part is true, the second is not

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It does not matter what color he is or political party he belongs to. He is just a puppet which is put there by the system and moves as told by the system. If he wants to free himself from the strings which dictate his actions he would no longer be the "President".
Ron Paul would be no different.

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Quote from: Elwar on May 31, 2013, 07:33:16 PM

Quote from: No 1 on May 31, 2013, 07:22:31 PM

Great, lets all blame the black guy..

What is a "black guy"?

The first human ever.

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Quote from: No 1 on May 31, 2013, 07:22:31 PM

Great, lets all blame the black guy..

What is a "black guy"?

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Great, lets all blame the black guy..

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Dictators and Democracies...

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Quote from: Spendulus on May 30, 2013, 08:59:22 PM

You are saying that if some other guy had been elected, he would own the financial problem.

But that does not negate the fact that Obama currently owns it.

That is certainly true. Obama is opening the wound wider.

At this point, I believe that is about the best thing we can hope for the US. The quicker the better.

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Quote from: Elwar on May 30, 2013, 08:03:40 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on May 30, 2013, 07:51:39 PM

No, that is doublespeak triplelie quadsmear pentafucked.

Obama at the point owns the financial problem, mainly by virtue of ignoring it.

There have been no candidates in the general election in the past decade that would have done anything about it.

Even if Rand Paul were elected in 2016, I believe it is too late.

You are saying that if some other guy had been elected, he would own the financial problem.

But that does not negate the fact that Obama currently owns it.

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Quote from: FinShaggy on May 30, 2013, 08:46:36 PM

Quote from: myrkul on May 30, 2013, 08:44:56 PM

The President is far from a King, anyway... very little of the budget can actually be laid at his feet.

I wouldn't say "far" from a king...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oYKMJkatzI

I'd try to explain the difference between being distantly related to a King, and actually having the powers and authority of a King, but I'm relatively sure it would be a waste of time. So I'll make it simple, and just modify my original statement thus:

The President is far from a dictator, anyway... very little of the budget can actually be laid at his feet.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 30, 2013, 08:44:56 PM

The President is far from a King, anyway... very little of the budget can actually be laid at his feet.

I wouldn't say "far" from a king...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oYKMJkatzI

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The President is far from a King, anyway... very little of the budget can actually be laid at his feet.

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Quote from: Spendulus on May 30, 2013, 07:51:39 PM

No, that is doublespeak triplelie quadsmear pentafucked.

Obama at the point owns the financial problem, mainly by virtue of ignoring it.

There have been no candidates in the general election in the past decade that would have done anything about it.

Even if Rand Paul were elected in 2016, I believe it is too late.

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Quote from: Elwar on May 30, 2013, 05:15:55 PM

By no means is the trouble we are in due to Obama. It was well on its way before Obama was even elected (the financial crisis happening toward the end of Bush's second term).

I do agree though....

No, that is doublespeak triplelie quadsmear pentafucked.

Obama at the point owns the financial problem, mainly by virtue of ignoring it.

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I agree that the UNION is a sinking ship, but the south is strong

Time to salvage what we can and make our own boat.
THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!!! (lol)

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By no means is the trouble we are in due to Obama. It was well on its way before Obama was even elected (the financial crisis happening toward the end of Bush's second term).

I do agree though, combining the following:
The unfunded liabilities of the state health insurance system amount to more than $ 38 trillion for the next 75 years.
The state pension system has a funding gap of USD 134 trillion over the next 75 years.
The national debt being $16.7 trillion.

That means that of the 143 million people in the US that pay taxes each year, they are on the hook for over $1.3 million to the government during their lifetime. Just for those 3 alone, not including yearly budgets. That is an average of $28k per year for every working American for their whole working life, not including the taxes to pay that year's budget.

A country such as Costa Rica, however, has a balanced budget law which does not allow them to have any debt. So their citizens are only on the hook for the budget they pass that particular year.

The best the US can hope to do is make the current dollar worth about .001 cents in today's value. That is the only thing that can save them. That is why I can see $10k/BTC in a few years.

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