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I figured what this is all about, they are going to do this. They already do.
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Seems like about 10 years ago that Great Britain criminalized having encrypted information and not providing the key to authorities when asked.  I have not heard much about it since, though.  Probably it was hopeless since if most people are like me, they've long ago forgotten how to decrypt stuff which I long ago encrypted and there probably are a ton of files on my various storage devices like this.

Probably the biggest reason to not bother people to much about encrypted blobs is because more people might learn the word 'steganography'  Not 'stenography' which the spell checkers usually suggest.  The word sends chills down the average totalitarian control freak's spine and turns their skin several shades lighter.

It's going to be a headache if you insist you can't remember the password for that old rar file in your laptop, so yeah, I think it's problematic.

As for steganography, I think those cat images I've seen in an article before counts. One of the last thing governments want citizens to know how to make.
Stegano...

Does that have anything to do with Sargent Stedenko?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9cIPFtmjIQ

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Seems like about 10 years ago that Great Britain criminalized having encrypted information and not providing the key to authorities when asked.  I have not heard much about it since, though.  Probably it was hopeless since if most people are like me, they've long ago forgotten how to decrypt stuff which I long ago encrypted and there probably are a ton of files on my various storage devices like this.

Probably the biggest reason to not bother people to much about encrypted blobs is because more people might learn the word 'steganography'  Not 'stenography' which the spell checkers usually suggest.  The word sends chills down the average totalitarian control freak's spine and turns their skin several shades lighter.

It's going to be a headache if you insist you can't remember the password for that old rar file in your laptop, so yeah, I think it's problematic.

As for steganography, I think those cat images I've seen in an article before counts. One of the last thing governments want citizens to know how to make.
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Well, in the past people had a street address, and they put it down when requested on forms.

Then they had phone numbers and put them down.

Then mobile phone numbers.

Then they had email addresses and put them down.

Then they had social media handles, and put them down.
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Is that even legal? Are there countries like that that forces you to open your phone and other electronics? Would be hilarious if I bring my 5 yr old laptop with me - I'd be holding up the line.  Grin

Seems like about 10 years ago that Great Britain criminalized having encrypted information and not providing the key to authorities when asked.  I have not heard much about it since, though.  Probably it was hopeless since if most people are like me, they've long ago forgotten how to decrypt stuff which I long ago encrypted and there probably are a ton of files on my various storage devices like this.

Probably the biggest reason to not bother people to much about encrypted blobs is because more people might learn the word 'steganography'  Not 'stenography' which the spell checkers usually suggest.  The word sends chills down the average totalitarian control freak's spine and turns their skin several shades lighter.


But yes, I doubt it'll make a difference. Criminals will simply find some other way to communicate without using social media or be more stealthy. Didn't they used to encrypt messages in images?

This is not about 'crime' or 'criminals'*.  It's about having the right attitude about the leadership peoples and classes.

If you are a dutiful slave who got a proper education in your school system and is content to watch mainstream media drivel exclusively, then come right in.  If you are a drug running sociopath that's no problem.  Plenty of sanctuary cities these days.

(*) Actually, now it is:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-RIos3fnE

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I don't mind them checking out social media accounts. Many people have a lot of public posts anyway, things everyone would have seen. Just give them the profile name and be done with it.

I don't like them also asking for email addresses and phone numbers though.

So what happens if you don't  use Facebook or Twitter because you consider them to be the juvenile haunts of kids and politicians?

Maybe they'd ask for your Reddit, which is worse since they'll find more of your opinions there, unless you show them a dummy account.

I mean, they're going to ask for all they want. Though the problem boils down to the fact that they're going to have to prove that you have accounts. I suppose they could seize your phone at the border, ask you to open it, and then look through it to see the apps you use -- then asking for your username on the apps makes sense, as you obviously use them.

This is a mixture of trying to balance privacy of foreigners, and protection of people at home. Though I doubt this will provide much protection tbh.



Is that even legal? Are there countries like that that forces you to open your phone and other electronics? Would be hilarious if I bring my 5 yr old laptop with me - I'd be holding up the line.  Grin

But yes, I doubt it'll make a difference. Criminals will simply find some other way to communicate without using social media or be more stealthy. Didn't they used to encrypt messages in images?
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I wonder if it will apply to 'dual nationals'?


No, because when you have 2 passports, it's forbidden to use the non American one to enter the US. Also immigration services don't know you have another citizenship.

So the U.S. does not even keep track of who in our country holds citizenship in a foreign country as well?

I mean I would not be surprised if this were the case because certain people are of a highly protected status here and it is most convenient for the authorities to not know anything about them and their activities.  That would help TSA and other folks avoid the need to make career ending decisions while trying to do their job in protecting the U.S. interests.

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I wonder if it will apply to 'dual nationals'?


No, because when you have 2 passports, it's forbidden to use the non American one to enter the US. Also immigration services don't know you have another citizenship.
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I wonder if it will apply to 'dual nationals'?

If 'we' are going to have such a law it really should apply to people who can or do hold citizenship in another nation because clearly some people who have loyalties to other countries are in a position to do grievous harm to the U.S., and have relatively often done just that.

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Great! Now 99% people won't be able to enter US as most people just use social media as a troll media and talk nonsense online.

And this would now increase account sales too where people will buy 5 year old accounts and change the details then. Cheesy
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https://twitter.com/i/moments/1134976495686901760
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These are weird rules and don’t make any sense as to why they need our social media accounts, I wonder if this is an attempt to collect our data and manipulate it in someway. When I saw this news breakout someone said now they require our passwords too, but that turned out fake though I feel going ahead they may require it too. One interesting question that crossed my mind is what if we keep our social media posts private, will they reject the application because they cannnot access the accounts any idea about this?

They already collect your data, do you remember when you accepted those terms of privacy? Yeah, most of those literally say they can do whatever they want with your data, I pretty much doubt USA is doing it because they want to control or do anything with your social media, they already can mate, they are already doing it, not only them, most countries and most companies that have access to your data.

When you have nothing to hide, it does not matter, life is a blockchain.
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https://twitter.com/i/moments/1134976495686901760

Almost all foreign visitors to the United States are now required to provide their social media account details, email addresses and phone numbers from the past five years. A new question asking for social media information appeared on the online visa application on Friday. Photo via @thehill

... wtf?



These are weird rules and don’t make any sense as to why they need our social media accounts, I wonder if this is an attempt to collect our data and manipulate it in someway. When I saw this news breakout someone said now they require our passwords too, but that turned out fake though I feel going ahead they may require it too. One interesting question that crossed my mind is what if we keep our social media posts private, will they reject the application because they cannnot access the accounts any idea about this?

They already collect your data, do you remember when you accepted those terms of privacy? Yeah, most of those literally say they can do whatever they want with your data, I pretty much doubt USA is doing it because they want to control or do anything with your social media, they already can mate, they are already doing it, not only them, most countries and most companies that have access to your data.
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https://twitter.com/i/moments/1134976495686901760

Almost all foreign visitors to the United States are now required to provide their social media account details, email addresses and phone numbers from the past five years. A new question asking for social media information appeared on the online visa application on Friday. Photo via @thehill

... wtf?



These are weird rules and don’t make any sense as to why they need our social media accounts, I wonder if this is an attempt to collect our data and manipulate it in someway. When I saw this news breakout someone said now they require our passwords too, but that turned out fake though I feel going ahead they may require it too. One interesting question that crossed my mind is what if we keep our social media posts private, will they reject the application because they cannnot access the accounts any idea about this?
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Just curious to know is there any punishment for the people who found giving fake details.

Even Facebook admits that many people registered with fake details so how it can be considered as document for getting visa.
Nothing happens, they will look it as a deceptive behavior and just reject your visa and might black list you in your future application, other than that there is nothing to worry. Tongue

Almost all foreign visitors to the United States are now required to provide their social media account details, email addresses and phone numbers from the past five years. A new question asking for social media information appeared on the online visa application on Friday. Photo via @thehill
 
What happens if you are not using any social media platform and i use an encrypted mail ID, will they ask to provide the password too  Cheesy If it is serious thing how someone could check the phone details of individuals of other countries if there is no legal case against them, i do not think they will have any back end access as it will be a serious internal security problem. Roll Eyes
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Just curious to know is there any punishment for the people who found giving fake details.

"serious immigration consequences" which probably means lifetime ban from US entry. 

Same thing when they search the last five years of social media.  If you've ever posted you smoked a joint, you also get a lifetime ban.

Yep, obviously i doubt they would do anything else for posting something on your social media, a lifetime ban at most, its not like they are going to send the FBI to get you
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"serious immigration consequences" which probably means lifetime ban from US entry.  

Same thing when they search the last five years of social media.  If you've ever posted you smoked a joint, you also get a lifetime ban....

Someone talked about bombing the US, they get banned.

I don't see any problem with that.



That is not my quote, also you will care when you are enslaved by gun point with drones from people in underground bunkers.
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"serious immigration consequences" which probably means lifetime ban from US entry.  

Same thing when they search the last five years of social media.  If you've ever posted you smoked a joint, you also get a lifetime ban....

Someone talked about bombing the US, they get banned.

I don't see any problem with that.

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I guess you need to understand the difference between immigration and citizenship.   :/

Immigrate to America


Get a American Citizenship

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I guess you need to understand the difference between immigration and citizenship.   :/
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Just curious to know is there any punishment for the people who found giving fake details.

"serious immigration consequences" which probably means lifetime ban from US entry.  

Same thing when they search the last five years of social media.  If you've ever posted you smoked a joint, you also get a lifetime ban.

I smoked a joint!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUsv4Lb7EQs I Smoke Two Joints

Patrick Stewart (1) LOL no wonder he was a good commander.
https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrities-who-smoke-weed/celebrity-lists
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So what happens if you don't  use Facebook or Twitter because you consider them to be the juvenile haunts of kids and politicians?

Linkedin, Myspace, Discord, Telegram, Reddit, Instagram, Bitcointalk account username and pass (yes this is social media) Youtube/Dlive/Dtube/Steemit please.

Just plead the fifth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SDMie8dbsg

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I mean it you’re a foreigner and you attempt to plead the fifth and then say that you won’t give them that information —> You’re not going to be allowed entry

Its a privilege to enter this nation, not a right.

It is a privilege to have never of gone there for me, or plan to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk looks like a super fun place, but I rather go to the Amazon and not the online store one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAr2_TUKt08 #Michigan #Police
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Don`t worry my country is not any better.
Most people are drawn to the US by its economy and social programs. The standard of living, even for those who are relatively poor, is much higher in the US than most of the world.

Many people have migrated to the US, work at a low paying, by US standards, job and make enough to send enough money back home to support their whole family.  



Same thing when they search the last five years of social media.  If you've ever posted you smoked a joint, you also get a lifetime ban.
Do you have a source for this? I briefly reviewed the questions asked on the application to obtain a US Visa and didn’t see anything about casual drug use. I did see questions about drug trafficking and being dependent on drugs.
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Just curious to know is there any punishment for the people who found giving fake details.

"serious immigration consequences" which probably means lifetime ban from US entry. 

Same thing when they search the last five years of social media.  If you've ever posted you smoked a joint, you also get a lifetime ban.
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So what happens if you don't  use Facebook or Twitter because you consider them to be the juvenile haunts of kids and politicians?

Linkedin, Myspace, Discord, Telegram, Reddit, Instagram, Bitcointalk account username and pass (yes this is social media) Youtube/Dlive/Dtube/Steemit please.

Just plead the fifth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SDMie8dbsg

Do not give these monsters your Roblox and Fortnite usernames!
What I do with my penguin stays in club penguin  Grin

I mean it you’re a foreigner and you attempt to plead the fifth and then say that you won’t give them that information —> You’re not going to be allowed entry

Its a privilege to enter this nation, not a right.

It is a privilege to have never of gone there for me, or plan to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk looks like a super fun place, but I rather go to the Amazon and not the online store one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAr2_TUKt08 #Michigan #Police
Police Officer Caught Punching 13-Year-Old With Cerebral Palsy | NowThis

Don`t worry my country is not any better.
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So what happens if you don't  use Facebook or Twitter because you consider them to be the juvenile haunts of kids and politicians?

Linkedin, Myspace, Discord, Telegram, Reddit, Instagram, Bitcointalk account username and pass (yes this is social media) Youtube/Dlive/Dtube/Steemit please.

Just plead the fifth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SDMie8dbsg

Do not give these monsters your Roblox and Fortnite usernames!
What I do with my penguin stays in club penguin  Grin

I mean it you’re a foreigner and you attempt to plead the fifth and then say that you won’t give them that information —> You’re not going to be allowed entry

Its a privilege to enter this nation, not a right.
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Well, no one is forcing you to go to the US although the measure is quite ridiculous, it's their right to ask for it, I mean I get it, we all want privacy but why have a social media account then? Goes to show that it's much better to not have one.
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Just curious to know is there any punishment for the people who found giving fake details.

Look at page 72 of a sample Visa application. If you give materially false or misleading information, you could be permanently excluded from entering into the US, subject to criminal prosecution and deportation.


I mean, they're going to ask for all they want. Though the problem boils down to the fact that they're going to have to prove that you have accounts.
You have few rights when crossing borders, and this is in all countries. No country is required to allow you to enter their country, even if you have a Visa. If a country is not confident you are telling the truth to immigration officers, or on your Visa application, chances are you will not be allowed to enter the country.

I suspect the purpose of this is to check if anyone entering the country has any extremist views. If you have extremist views or have been radicalized, chances are you will be denied entry into the US.
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wtf? today isn't the 1th of april Huh or did i miss something Shocked

would be interesting if you apply for a visa and don't submit your "anonymous" social media accounts (which aren't directly linked to you) to them... you think they notice that you are hiding some informations? i guess yes...
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Are you sure this is the US, thee land of the free? Sounds more like North Korea to me.

I wonder what happens if you just say you don't use any social media? They raised the bar pretty high with this one I don't think any other country is going to come close for a while.

You can just browse those platforms but not use them yourself.   For example I do get a lot of information from twitter but I don't post any personal information at all so they would have nothing to gain from that.

I also do that. I always use them by giving fake information. They probably see that many people do this and get mad constantly. By giving fake information to Twitter, you make CIA to waste resources. GJ.

Worse than North Korea and Trump and Kim Jong-un rub shitty haircuts in the back room together while they touch bellies while Putin and Trudeau throw love roses at them and candy hearts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3k8TfN8UAc

Who cares if they get mad, they don`t need your social media profiles, the fuck is that? They are the ones wasting resources to begin with on this shit. CIA MAKES THE WASTE GJ!
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Are you sure this is the US, thee land of the free? Sounds more like North Korea to me.

I wonder what happens if you just say you don't use any social media? They raised the bar pretty high with this one I don't think any other country is going to come close for a while.

You can just browse those platforms but not use them yourself.   For example I do get a lot of information from twitter but I don't post any personal information at all so they would have nothing to gain from that.

I also do that. I always use them by giving fake information. They probably see that many people do this and get mad constantly. By giving fake information to Twitter, you make CIA to waste resources. GJ.
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I don't mind them checking out social media accounts. Many people have a lot of public posts anyway, things everyone would have seen. Just give them the profile name and be done with it.

I don't like them also asking for email addresses and phone numbers though.

So what happens if you don't  use Facebook or Twitter because you consider them to be the juvenile haunts of kids and politicians?

Maybe they'd ask for your Reddit, which is worse since they'll find more of your opinions there, unless you show them a dummy account.

I mean, they're going to ask for all they want. Though the problem boils down to the fact that they're going to have to prove that you have accounts. I suppose they could seize your phone at the border, ask you to open it, and then look through it to see the apps you use -- then asking for your username on the apps makes sense, as you obviously use them.

This is a mixture of trying to balance privacy of foreigners, and protection of people at home. Though I doubt this will provide much protection tbh.



You can just browse those platforms but not use them yourself.   For example I do get a lot of information from twitter but I don't post any personal information at all so they would have nothing to gain from that.
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Maybe they'd ask for your Reddit, which is worse since they'll find more of your opinions there, unless you show them a dummy account.

True story I had marijuana in both my pockets, 1 gram in 1 and 27 grams in the other.

I got pulled over by the police. They asked me if I had any drugs on me, I gave the lady the lesser amount in my left pocket and kept the bigger amount in my right (you could smell this stuff from 2 blocks away). It took her a minute but she threw the marijuana back at me and asked if I had drugs, I walked away with 28 grams that day, one of the few times I did not get beaten by the police or assaulted in my life by them, although I do kind of consider that mugging/bullying until she gave it back. It was still illegal at the time, it is legal now.
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So what happens if you don't  use Facebook or Twitter because you consider them to be the juvenile haunts of kids and politicians?

Linkedin, Myspace, Discord, Telegram, Instagram, Bitcointalk account username and pass (yes this is social media) and Youtube/Dlive/Dtube/Steemit please.

Imagine if they require their own citizens to do this. I'm imagining an uproar.

I'd like to see this challenged. Or maybe even more fun, have other countries retaliate by require American citizens to go through the same procedure.
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So what happens if you don't  use Facebook or Twitter because you consider them to be the juvenile haunts of kids and politicians?

Linkedin, Myspace, Discord, Telegram, Reddit, Instagram, Bitcointalk account username and pass (yes this is social media) Youtube/Dlive/Dtube/Steemit please.

Just plead the fifth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SDMie8dbsg

Do not give these monsters your Roblox and Fortnite usernames!
What I do with my penguin stays in club penguin  Grin
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I don't mind them checking out social media accounts. Many people have a lot of public posts anyway, things everyone would have seen. Just give them the profile name and be done with it.

I don't like them also asking for email addresses and phone numbers though.

So what happens if you don't  use Facebook or Twitter because you consider them to be the juvenile haunts of kids and politicians?

Maybe they'd ask for your Reddit, which is worse since they'll find more of your opinions there, unless you show them a dummy account.

I mean, they're going to ask for all they want. Though the problem boils down to the fact that they're going to have to prove that you have accounts. I suppose they could seize your phone at the border, ask you to open it, and then look through it to see the apps you use -- then asking for your username on the apps makes sense, as you obviously use them.

This is a mixture of trying to balance privacy of foreigners, and protection of people at home. Though I doubt this will provide much protection tbh.

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I don't mind them checking out social media accounts. Many people have a lot of public posts anyway, things everyone would have seen. Just give them the profile name and be done with it.

I don't like them also asking for email addresses and phone numbers though.

So what happens if you don't  use Facebook or Twitter because you consider them to be the juvenile haunts of kids and politicians?

Maybe they'd ask for your Reddit, which is worse since they'll find more of your opinions there, unless you show them a dummy account.
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Both parties love to invade on the privacy of the people. This is probably a bipartisan measure tbh, and it's not going to get much time in the news cycle. I understand the rationale behind a decision like this though, as people are going to say that foreigners should be looked at with a fine tooth comb to ensure that these people aren't wreaking havoc on our country.

Though do we REALLY have the resources to parse through individual peoples social media accounts, or are we just going to have an AI look for keywords or something? How is something like this even enforced. If I was to say I have no social media accounts, it seems pretty hard to fight me on that one.
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So what happens if you don't  use Facebook or Twitter because you consider them to be the juvenile haunts of kids and politicians?
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Looks like they're following the trends Smiley
Obviously, they want to have all the information about the applicants for visa including their thinking and affiliation to different groups on the Internet.
Now it will be easier to control people, like a big brother.
It was always difficult to get US Visa and now it has become even harder.
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More information,more profits they can get.But what they will do if people give fake ID details. Grin

Fake id details to US government? I liked your Joke. Smiley

Just curious to know is there any punishment for the people who found giving fake details.

Even Facebook admits that many people registered with fake details so how it can be considered as document for getting visa.

This is all I can find on it. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48486672
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More information,more profits they can get.But what they will do if people give fake ID details. Grin

Fake id details to US government? I liked your Joke. Smiley

Just curious to know is there any punishment for the people who found giving fake details.

Even Facebook admits that many people registered with fake details so how it can be considered as document for getting visa.
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Next week to get a visa you must tell the government what anime you watched in the past 12 months, Satoshi Nakamoto Returns In The Fiat Clown Fiesta Season 2.
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More information,more profits they can get.But what they will do if people give fake ID details. Grin

Fake id details to US government? I liked your Joke. Smiley
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https://twitter.com/i/moments/1134976495686901760

Almost all foreign visitors to the United States are now required to provide their social media account details, email addresses and phone numbers from the past five years. A new question asking for social media information appeared on the online visa application on Friday. Photo via @thehill

... wtf?


More information,more profits they can get.But what they will do if people give fake ID details. Grin
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https://twitter.com/i/moments/1134976495686901760

Almost all foreign visitors to the United States are now required to provide their social media account details, email addresses and phone numbers from the past five years. A new question asking for social media information appeared on the online visa application on Friday. Photo via @thehill

... wtf?



I think I figured it out

America = China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cGB8dCDf3c
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