USA finally approves gay marriage - page 3.

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Quote from: stevegreer on June 26, 2015, 05:26:51 PM

Mormons don't have multiple wives. Maybe those crazy FLDS people do, but not the members of the official LDS church.

Well.. polygamy is a part of the Mormonism, although it is now outlawed by the mainstream Mormon church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or the LDS). That was one of the reasons why the other fundamentalist Mormon groups, such as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS), the Apostolic United Brethren (AUC), and the Latter Day Church of Christ (LDC) broke away from the LDS.

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This was a great victory for American human rights.

I am really happy for all my gay friends that can now get married and get benefits for each other. One less reason to be embarrassed about being from Merica.

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Quote from: stevegreer on June 26, 2015, 05:26:51 PM

But anyway, another day, and another state's right taken away. No big deal. Let's just sit back in awe as the federal government absorbs more power. Let's continue arguing about some silly flag while the TPP gets shoved down our throats just like the ACA did. But hey, at least the gays can get married now.

What state right are you seeking to preserve here, the right to define marriage in a way to exclude gay people? How is that different from 'preserving' a state's right to to exclude certain races from education (i.e. segregation)? The one thing that is constant in our history is that an individual's rights always trump the state's rights. That's why the south was forced to integrate, because the individual's right to equal education trumped the state's right to educate the different races in the way they preferred ("separate but equal"), which the court ruled was inherently unequal.

The point of the federal government here is to protect individual's rights where states refuse to. The "state's rights" argument holds no merit where states trample individual rights, and as long as state governments are going to grant marriages, declining marriages to gay couples is not just and is not defensible; not for religious reasons, not for state's rights reasons, not for any reasons.

That's what this case got right in my opinion.

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Quote from: stevegreer on June 26, 2015, 07:00:29 PM

Quote from: celestio on June 26, 2015, 05:35:29 PM

Quote from: stevegreer on June 26, 2015, 05:26:51 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on June 26, 2015, 12:04:16 PM

Quote from: anderson00673 on June 26, 2015, 11:53:46 AM

USA finally approves gay marriage. The shocking thing to me is not that it took so long for the bastion of "freedom" to make a decision on the issue, but the fact that the supreme court vote was 5-4. That means that nearly 50% of our supreme court justices disagree with our constitutional right to freedom of religion. I find this very worrying, but I guess after the constitution has been gutted the last 10 years or so it should not be too surprising.

Thoughts?

The only thing I see as a negative is the supreme court has invented a right, not even the heterosexuals had. Now any president in the future will be able to invent a right too.

At least this should also be good news for the mormons and the muslim bakers with multiple wives here in the USA...

Cool

Mormons don't have multiple wives. Maybe those crazy FLDS people do, but not the members of the official LDS church.

But anyway, another day, and another state's right taken away. No big deal. Let's just sit back in awe as the federal government absorbs more power. Let's continue arguing about some silly flag while the TPP gets shoved down our throats just like the ACA did. But hey, at least the gays can get married now.

Yea, let's promote abolishment of the federal government and give the states all the power. Let's promote the confederate states of america and have the south recede from the north again. Let's let each of the 50 states make whatever laws they want with no repercussions to their actions /s.

Human beings are not biologically fit to operate without some sort of authority, even taking power away from the federal government and giving it to the states would be doing nothing but causing more confusion and mayhem as there's still central leaders/governments in each of the states with different views and cultural outlooks. True decentralization cannot exist at this point in time, so anarchists and the like will always fail. Studies done on leadership found in social groups shows this.

Keep drinking that kool aide and twisting people's words around. Good job.

It's an exaggerated version of what you implied, "But anyway, another day, and another state's right taken away. No big deal. Let's just sit back in awe as the federal government absorbs more power. Let's continue arguing about some silly flag while the TPP gets shoved down our throats just like the ACA did. But hey, at least the gays can get married now."

If you intended for something else, then read what you write before posting. If not, then you're an idiot.

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Quote from: celestio on June 26, 2015, 05:35:29 PM

Quote from: stevegreer on June 26, 2015, 05:26:51 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on June 26, 2015, 12:04:16 PM

Quote from: anderson00673 on June 26, 2015, 11:53:46 AM

USA finally approves gay marriage. The shocking thing to me is not that it took so long for the bastion of "freedom" to make a decision on the issue, but the fact that the supreme court vote was 5-4. That means that nearly 50% of our supreme court justices disagree with our constitutional right to freedom of religion. I find this very worrying, but I guess after the constitution has been gutted the last 10 years or so it should not be too surprising.

Thoughts?

The only thing I see as a negative is the supreme court has invented a right, not even the heterosexuals had. Now any president in the future will be able to invent a right too.

At least this should also be good news for the mormons and the muslim bakers with multiple wives here in the USA...

Cool

Mormons don't have multiple wives. Maybe those crazy FLDS people do, but not the members of the official LDS church.

But anyway, another day, and another state's right taken away. No big deal. Let's just sit back in awe as the federal government absorbs more power. Let's continue arguing about some silly flag while the TPP gets shoved down our throats just like the ACA did. But hey, at least the gays can get married now.

Yea, let's promote abolishment of the federal government and give the states all the power. Let's promote the confederate states of america and have the south recede from the north again. Let's let each of the 50 states make whatever laws they want with no repercussions to their actions /s.

Human beings are not biologically fit to operate without some sort of authority, even taking power away from the federal government and giving it to the states would be doing nothing but causing more confusion and mayhem as there's still central leaders/governments in each of the states with different views and cultural outlooks. True decentralization cannot exist at this point in time, so anarchists and the like will always fail. Studies done on leadership found in social groups shows this.

Keep drinking that kool aide and twisting people's words around. Good job.

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Quote from: stevegreer on June 26, 2015, 05:26:51 PM

Quote from: Wilikon on June 26, 2015, 12:04:16 PM

Quote from: anderson00673 on June 26, 2015, 11:53:46 AM

USA finally approves gay marriage. The shocking thing to me is not that it took so long for the bastion of "freedom" to make a decision on the issue, but the fact that the supreme court vote was 5-4. That means that nearly 50% of our supreme court justices disagree with our constitutional right to freedom of religion. I find this very worrying, but I guess after the constitution has been gutted the last 10 years or so it should not be too surprising.

Thoughts?

The only thing I see as a negative is the supreme court has invented a right, not even the heterosexuals had. Now any president in the future will be able to invent a right too.

At least this should also be good news for the mormons and the muslim bakers with multiple wives here in the USA...

Cool

Mormons don't have multiple wives. Maybe those crazy FLDS people do, but not the members of the official LDS church.

But anyway, another day, and another state's right taken away. No big deal. Let's just sit back in awe as the federal government absorbs more power. Let's continue arguing about some silly flag while the TPP gets shoved down our throats just like the ACA did. But hey, at least the gays can get married now.

Yea, let's promote abolishment of the federal government and give the states all the power. Let's promote the confederate states of america and have the south recede from the north again. Let's let each of the 50 states make whatever laws they want with no repercussions to their actions /s.

Human beings are not biologically fit to operate without some sort of authority, even taking power away from the federal government and giving it to the states would be doing nothing but causing more confusion and mayhem as there's still central leaders/governments in each of the states with different views and cultural outlooks. True decentralization cannot exist at this point in time, so anarchists and the like will always fail. Studies done on leadership found in social groups shows this.

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Quote from: Wilikon on June 26, 2015, 12:04:16 PM

Quote from: anderson00673 on June 26, 2015, 11:53:46 AM

USA finally approves gay marriage. The shocking thing to me is not that it took so long for the bastion of "freedom" to make a decision on the issue, but the fact that the supreme court vote was 5-4. That means that nearly 50% of our supreme court justices disagree with our constitutional right to freedom of religion. I find this very worrying, but I guess after the constitution has been gutted the last 10 years or so it should not be too surprising.

Thoughts?

The only thing I see as a negative is the supreme court has invented a right, not even the heterosexuals had. Now any president in the future will be able to invent a right too.

At least this should also be good news for the mormons and the muslim bakers with multiple wives here in the USA...

Cool

Mormons don't have multiple wives. Maybe those crazy FLDS people do, but not the members of the official LDS church.

But anyway, another day, and another state's right taken away. No big deal. Let's just sit back in awe as the federal government absorbs more power. Let's continue arguing about some silly flag while the TPP gets shoved down our throats just like the ACA did. But hey, at least the gays can get married now.

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Quote from: Wilikon on June 26, 2015, 12:04:16 PM

Quote from: anderson00673 on June 26, 2015, 11:53:46 AM

USA finally approves gay marriage. The shocking thing to me is not that it took so long for the bastion of "freedom" to make a decision on the issue, but the fact that the supreme court vote was 5-4. That means that nearly 50% of our supreme court justices disagree with our constitutional right to freedom of religion. I find this very worrying, but I guess after the constitution has been gutted the last 10 years or so it should not be too surprising.

Thoughts?

The only thing I see as a negative is the supreme court has invented a right, not even the heterosexuals had. Now any president in the future will be able to invent a right too.

At least this should also be good news for the mormons and the muslim bakers with multiple wives here in the USA...

Cool

How did they invent a right? It appears to me they equally enforced a right that already existed. If the government is going to grant marriages, now they have to grant them to gay couples too. That's extending the right to marriage that already existed for some to all, not creating a new one.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 26, 2015, 12:16:01 PM

I thought it has been approved to the US long time ago or it is lesbian marriage who are only allowed?

I think think homosexual marriage in general was approved by the Obama, but it ended up being taken to the supreme court for a debate but with this ruling basically it will be completely legal and the state's won't be able to come up with many excuses for why it shouldn't be done. However there's a lot of opposition from idiots who have wormed their way into a lot of local government so they're going to screw around with the legislative process as much as possible, it was reported that some courhouses have decided to try and shut down marriage itself entirely because they hate the idea that much.

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knew it was going to happen, but I didn't think it would be such a close with 5-4 vote. THAT close. U.S. is really backwards, but not too much. But anyways this is good news.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/26/417717613/supreme-court-rules-all-states-must-allow-same-sex-marriages

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Uhh...Gay? What happened to humans these days?

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I thought it has been approved to the US long time ago or it is lesbian marriage who are only allowed?

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Watch the assholes out there flip over this and scream about it for weeks, I can already hear BaDecker typing away now Tongue

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Quote from: anderson00673 on June 26, 2015, 11:53:46 AM

USA finally approves gay marriage. The shocking thing to me is not that it took so long for the bastion of "freedom" to make a decision on the issue, but the fact that the supreme court vote was 5-4. That means that nearly 50% of our supreme court justices disagree with our constitutional right to freedom of religion. I find this very worrying, but I guess after the constitution has been gutted the last 10 years or so it should not be too surprising.

Thoughts?

The only thing I see as a negative is the supreme court has invented a right, not even the heterosexuals had. Now any president in the future will be able to invent a right too.

At least this should also be good news for the mormons and the muslim bakers with multiple wives here in the USA...

Cool

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I saw the topic and my first thought was "Who did America piss off this time?". But yeah, America's really taking great leaps forward! Really nice to hear this today.

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Huge +1million. Faith in humanity is microscopically restored.

The core problem/bane of this world is illogical religion. For example: The Greeks contributed massively to the growth of our species in Literature, Philosophy, art, etc, and they were a largely Polytheistic society. However, when Monotheism started taking over, a large decline came about in many fields and such is visible during the Middle Ages and after the downfall of Rome due to Christianity. Basically what I'm saying, is that Monotheistic societies are usually restricted immensely by their own religion due to their belief in irrevocable human imperfection, while Polytheistic societies with god's that are imperfect(Think the Pantheon of Greek God's and Goddesses each with their imperfections), led to immense growth in many fields.

The core problem is religion, but the type of religion that historically, take away human rights and liberties or stunt growth tend to be Monotheistic religions, like Islam, Judaism, Christianity.

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USA finally approves gay marriage. The shocking thing to me is not that it took so long for the bastion of "freedom" to make a decision on the issue, but the fact that the supreme court vote was 5-4. That means that nearly 50% of our supreme court justices disagree with our constitutional right to freedom of religion. I find this very worrying, but I guess after the constitution has been gutted the last 10 years or so it should not be too surprising.

Thoughts?

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