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Topic: USD/BTC Decoupling from forum activity and search trends - page 2. (Read 4875 times)

legendary
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How about treating the search hits as a first derivative of the price?  And maybe superimpose that over the inflation.

Sounds interesting. Can you give an example of how to do this?
Sorry - I have no idea.  I never did this stuff.  It comes from the intuition of a model where new people buy bitcoins and keep them - driving the price up (the assumption that the price would go up in proportion of how much bitcoins are bought is not very sound though), and the opposite force of the supply of newly mined coins.

sounds like a pretty solid theory to me.  I would probably use the integral of search hits over time instead of first derivative, (showing the accumulation of new users), given that 1000 hits now will probably have more impact on price than 1000 hits a few years from now (assuming bitcoin keeps growing).  To account for inflation, maybe its easiest to calculate what effect the news hits have on market cap instead of price (from which price can easily be calculated by dividing by nr of coins in circulation).
Maybe also add a component which accounts for some people becoming disillusioned over time and selling (no idea how to implement that yet).

By the way 123, how did you get this data?
Might be interesting to do pearson correlation with price (or market cap) as well: http://www.alcula.com/calculators/statistics/correlation-coefficient/
zby
legendary
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How about treating the search hits as a first derivative of the price?  And maybe superimpose that over the inflation.

Sounds interesting. Can you give an example of how to do this?
Sorry - I have no idea.  I never did this stuff.  It comes from the intuition of a model where new people buy bitcoins and keep them - driving the price up (the assumption that the price would go up in proportion of how much bitcoins are bought is not very sound though), and the opposite force of the supply of newly mined coins.
hero member
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How about treating the search hits as a first derivative of the price?  And maybe superimpose that over the inflation.

Sounds interesting. Can you give an example of how to do this?
hero member
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zby
legendary
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How about treating the search hits as a first derivative of the price?   And maybe superimpose that over the inflation.
legendary
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What I see from those really interesting graphics :

Any other data follow the BTC/USD price, with some lag.  Exception made of certain spike having no effect on the price.

It seems Bitcoin is still in infancy, as it still too much binded to is value related to the USD.  As a currency AND paiement system, IMHO it's far more promising than any previously existing currency / peiment processor.  The bitcoin phenomenon will really take place when a majority of peoples will see it as an entirely independant thing.  For now, it's too much related to his ratio VS other currency !

thanks OP for this nice work  Smiley

legendary
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So that graph tells us Bitcoins are overpriced and the entire world of Bitcoin...

...is really supposed to be worth less than this one eighteenth-floor condo on Fifth Avenue...

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/781-Fifth-Ave_New-York_NY_10022_M35547-94171?source=web

I guess Bitcoin must not be the future of money then.  What are we all doing here?


Hoard bricks? Houses are made of them...  Smiley
hero member
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vip
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So that graph tells us Bitcoins are overpriced and the entire world of Bitcoin...

...is really supposed to be worth less than this one eighteenth-floor condo on Fifth Avenue...

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/781-Fifth-Ave_New-York_NY_10022_M35547-94171?source=web

I guess Bitcoin must not be the future of money then.  What are we all doing here?
legendary
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HODL OR DIE
Cool. Could you do one for last 6 months?

legendary
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maybe a plausible conclusion is that a correction from this decoupling is about to occur after x time lag.

keep dreaming... maybe you'll get us some cheap coins Wink
legendary
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maybe a plausible conclusion is that a correction from this decoupling is about to occur after x time lag.
hero member
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Ok, I think this is what was being talked about:


All zeros were ignored when calculating geometric means using method 1 above (which makes the most sense, I had a bug in my code before).
hero member
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It means you shouldn't normalize it to the max. That doesn't make sense for most correlations. Instead, normalize to the geometric mean.

I concur.

Do you concur?

So what is the proper way to deal with zeros under these circumstances?
Ah, zeros are a pain.

Lets say I ignore the zeros, I am actually not sure how to do this. Do you

1) Normalize each series to its geometric mean
2) Normalize each series to an overall geometric mean
3) Normalize each timepoint to the geometric mean of all series at that timepoint
4) Something else?

Because the results I'm getting don't seem like they make sense
legendary
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It means you shouldn't normalize it to the max. That doesn't make sense for most correlations. Instead, normalize to the geometric mean.

I concur.

Do you concur?

So what is the proper way to deal with zeros under these circumstances?
Ah, zeros are a pain.
hero member
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It means you shouldn't normalize it to the max. That doesn't make sense for most correlations. Instead, normalize to the geometric mean.

I concur.

Do you concur?

So what is the proper way to deal with zeros under these circumstances?
hero member
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It means you shouldn't normalize it to the max. That doesn't make sense for most correlations. Instead, normalize to the geometric mean.

I concur.

Do you concur?
legendary
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Whats it mean?

It means you shouldn't normalize it to the max. That doesn't make sense for most correlations. Instead, normalize to the geometric mean.
legendary
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Strength in numbers
More people using Bing?

A fixed amount of interest generates a larger price increase because new coins are flowing at a lower rate now?

Larger capital holders getting in (fewer searches per buck)?
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Whats it mean?
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