Let me just say it's a copycat kind of way, and it's only on Bitcointalk that I've ever seen a higher number of people sending messages to me without properly titling it. To buttress your point, I found it hard to know which one to select after locating the sender's name for later work at times, it could be frustrating if they are much.
Since I believe this started and was encouraged by the first people here, especially the highest respected members including the CMs, they can encourage it to be changed. I believe if they continue to title PMs, Others will follow in due time.
Topic: Use less (No subject) in MP, please - page 2. (Read 525 times)
Nice to see a thread about some forum etiquette. There should probably be more like this for newbies (though I'm betting this thread is going to eventually get buried under tons of new threads until it reaches a page where nobody's going to find it). Lol. Unless something good gets stickied, it vanishes pretty quickly.
Well... I can bump every month.
Unless I forget this topic too. LOL
OP, I guess everyone's got their pet peeves and I can sympathize with you....but personally I stopped caring about PM or e-mail titles a long time ago, and now that I'm actually thinking about it I'm not sure why that is.
But e-mails aside, when it comes to PMs on this forum, mostly what I get are requests for post history reviews with a very small number of messages directed at me on a more personal level. My mind has been like a overflowing snake pit lately, so maybe if members do follow your suggestion it might help me get my messages organized at least. We'll see what happens.
Nice to see a thread about some forum etiquette. There should probably be more like this for newbies (though I'm betting this thread is going to eventually get buried under tons of new threads until it reaches a page where nobody's going to find it). Lol. Unless something good gets stickied, it vanishes pretty quickly.
But e-mails aside, when it comes to PMs on this forum, mostly what I get are requests for post history reviews with a very small number of messages directed at me on a more personal level. My mind has been like a overflowing snake pit lately, so maybe if members do follow your suggestion it might help me get my messages organized at least. We'll see what happens.
Nice to see a thread about some forum etiquette. There should probably be more like this for newbies (though I'm betting this thread is going to eventually get buried under tons of new threads until it reaches a page where nobody's going to find it). Lol. Unless something good gets stickied, it vanishes pretty quickly.
If it is formal, title supposed to be added, even if you are writing a letter on a paper officially. But if it is informal, for example I am writing to a friend on this forum, I may decide not to include a title.
I understand your point, but it doesn't matter if you are a friend or not, there can be a title. I am not questioning the content of the message, nor am I looking at the sender. I'm just analyzing the title, which is the indexing element, which if they are all the same, ceases to exist.
Let's assume you are having a conversation with 3 friends here on the forum. They all sent the message with "(no subject)". When you look at the message list, from the title you don't know who is who. You need to look at the user's name and you still have to "get" the message you want to reread.
This is a habit on my part, maybe that's it, but every message you send (here or elsewhere) I like to put a title on. This element is useful for indexing subjects and locating them in the future.
Good one, I dislike receiving this too.
You can't create a topic without entering a title. PMs should reject the default too. Patch time?
You can't create a topic without entering a title. PMs should reject the default too. Patch time?
It's just annoying when you want to go to a specific message, and in the index there are 10 messages saying "no subject". Roll Eyes
There I have to go into more detail to choose the one I want. Fortunately, I have managed to control the situation. But, I think it's always better to have a title than "no subject".
There I have to go into more detail to choose the one I want. Fortunately, I have managed to control the situation. But, I think it's always better to have a title than "no subject".
When I hear "patch time?" I flick my head up like my dog does when he hears "walkies?".
(I've sent a patch to theymos. If he merges it quickly, we might set a new record for time between suggestion and implementation.)
(I've sent a patch to theymos. If he merges it quickly, we might set a new record for time between suggestion and implementation.)
Sending message to someone on this forum should also be seen as formal and informal, not just in one way.
If it is formal, title supposed to be added, even if you are writing a letter on a paper officially. But if it is informal, for example I am writing to a friend on this forum, I may decide not to include a title.
If you are writing an official letter, you can write it the way you want. It is left for the person you are writing it to to either read it or not. In official cases, the person a letter is written to may not read it if it is written informally. That option is left also on this forum. Even on emails, you can send a message without the title, just like if you write a letter to someone on a paper.
If you do not see the title, you may like and not read it than to make a suggestion about how PM supposed not to be.
Or if it can be in a way that someone can option for it on their profile settings, that all messages that should be received should have a title, it would be better like that. But the default should be as it is now.
This is just my suggestion. Messages can have a title or not. If the suggestion should be added, it should be optioned for.
OP that's true but at the same time, not everybody cares if the message comes with a title or not, they just open and glance through.
I agree with OP here. I would like to see a subject in all my PMs as well. It literally takes a few seconds to write one. It can get especially frustrating if you are talking to the same person on different subjects, and at one point in the future you have to go back to check something. Imagine dozens of PMs without a title where you have to search for that exact message that contains the information you need. I would rather that I can figure out what we talked about based on the title of the PMs. But that also means that the original PM sender has to be professional enough to write a correct subject and not something like 'Hi' or 'Yo'. That doesn't help anyone. If I remember correctly the first time I send you a PM, I added a subject named "Talkimg" but the 2nd time I forgot to add any subject. It happens. 
This has nothing to do with your MP! I appreciate the concern.
If it was just you, or newbies, we'd be fine. I believe that there are many legendary users, who also do not write anything on the subject.
It really is a question of widespread behavior. Perhaps because it is a resource little used by the majority, over time people stopped paying attention to this detail. Simply click on send PM and write the message, and send it just like that.
To be honest, If I say from my perspective most of the newbies aren't familiar with the forum. Even me! I forget things time to time. I forget to add subject or sometimes I mess up BBcodes. Those who are here in this platform for a longer period of time should always use a subject. And there isn't any default, "Remember Subject" or anything like that. If I remember correctly the first time I send you a PM, I added a subject named "Talkimg" but the 2nd time I forgot to add any subject. It happens.
Bitcointalk's PM feature is already causing lots of issues, (see here) and leaving subject field empty will just make it even worse.
Adding a subject is taking 10 seconds, maybe. Hopefully, OP's post will be a good reminder.
Adding a subject is taking 10 seconds, maybe. Hopefully, OP's post will be a good reminder.
I remember that conversation. I'm not even saying to make radical changes to this section of the forum - because I'm aware that it will be very complicated nowadays.
I thought more about the idea of changing behavior. But I also know that it is something more difficult.
However...
When I hear "patch time?" I flick my head up like my dog does when he hears "walkies?".
(I've sent a patch to theymos. If he merges it quickly, we might set a new record for time between suggestion and implementation.)
(I've sent a patch to theymos. If he merges it quickly, we might set a new record for time between suggestion and implementation.)
Our colleague @PowerGlove has already thought of some help.
What did you suggest: Leave the field blank, to force something to be written? Or something else?
Good one, I dislike receiving this too.
You can't create a topic without entering a title. PMs should reject the default too. Patch time?
When I hear "patch time?" I flick my head up like my dog does when he hears "walkies?". You can't create a topic without entering a title. PMs should reject the default too. Patch time?
(I've sent a patch to theymos. If he merges it quickly, we might set a new record for time between suggestion and implementation.)
Edit: I made a patch topic about this (Encouraging non-lazy PM subjects).
It's just annoying when you want to go to a specific message, and in the index there are 10 messages saying "no subject". 
Same here... I'm getting tons of PMs and most people add a subject but some don't and if we are searching specific PM's from one category, it's almost impossible to dig it up if we forget, who sent the PM.
Bitcointalk's PM feature is already causing lots of issues, (see here) and leaving subject field empty will just make it even worse.
Adding a subject is taking 10 seconds, maybe. Hopefully, OP's post will be a good reminder.
How about instead of changing titles we change and improve the whole messaging system.
Well, it's easier to change the way the title appears automatically than the forum's PM system. Changing the entire PM involves deeply tweaking the forum system. And I think that's unlikely to happen.
Therefore, when asking, I was asking for something that I know would be easier to deal with: readjusting the way in which the PM's title appears.
Speaking of which...
Good one, I dislike receiving this too.
You can't create a topic without entering a title. PMs should reject the default too. Patch time?
You can't create a topic without entering a title. PMs should reject the default too. Patch time?
I believe that if the title field changes from a new PM to being blank by default, without the term "(no subject)", the problem will soon be resolved.
Because, if I remember correctly, how the SMF system works, all it takes is for the field to be blank to be asked to fill it in, as happens when creating topics.
Therefore, this issue will be quickly resolved if this default text is removed.
Now, if it was placed there... I believe it was for a valid reason.
Therefore, I ask that when you send a PM, write something in the subject of the PM and not just leave the "(No subject)". This helps a lot in managing PMs.
I am guilty for mostly using default option aka No subject in forum If this was email or if bitcointalk had better personal message system I would probably pay more attention to this, but now it sucks and adding different title when someone already sent me ''No subject'' is silly.
How about instead of changing titles we change and improve the whole messaging system.
Yeah, it would be better if the admin implement a patch where the user has to select his/her PM's title instead of no subject because that way someone who receives a lot of PM's can decide to read which one of those first. I personally don't really care about the title of the PM's because I try to read any PM's as possible and to be honest I rarely get a PM and I rarely send one to someone else.
It's just annoying when you want to go to a specific message, and in the index there are 10 messages saying "no subject".
There I have to go into more detail to choose the one I want. Fortunately, I have managed to control the situation. But, I think it's always better to have a title than "no subject".
In fact, if it's "no subject", why send a PM!?
OP for that I'm sending you a message 😅.
Be my guest! I'll be waiting!
OP that's true but at the same time, not everybody cares if the message comes with a title or not, they just open and glance through.
Every receiver has his or her own way of taking PMs. Some find it hard to even reply while some forget about the title and flow with the message.
I don't have issues if the message comes with a "greeting" title, as long as your messages are not abusive, I'm cool with that.
But must some, if not all the messages come with a title or a reason why you have to receive or respond to the message?
Why not read it and reply if you choose to?
OP for that I'm sending you a message 😅.
Every receiver has his or her own way of taking PMs. Some find it hard to even reply while some forget about the title and flow with the message.
I don't have issues if the message comes with a "greeting" title, as long as your messages are not abusive, I'm cool with that.
But must some, if not all the messages come with a title or a reason why you have to receive or respond to the message?
Why not read it and reply if you choose to?
OP for that I'm sending you a message 😅.
Good one, I dislike receiving this too.
You can't create a topic without entering a title. PMs should reject the default too. Patch time?
You can't create a topic without entering a title. PMs should reject the default too. Patch time?
Yeah, it would be better if the admin implement a patch where the user has to select his/her PM's title instead of no subject because that way someone who receives a lot of PM's can decide to read which one of those first. I personally don't really care about the title of the PM's because I try to read any PM's as possible and to be honest I rarely get a PM and I rarely send one to someone else.
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I believe that most people will not read this information, but here's a note. Maybe other users "suffer" from the same "problem".
I believe that most people will not read this information, but here's a note. Maybe other users "suffer" from the same "problem".
Yes, I "suffer" from the same problem as you, and it is not limited to private messages; I receive loads of such emails too. Not sure why this is happening, but it might be due to mobile platforms and the popularity of instant messaging among younger generations. Since my early days of using digital communication, I have been taught that the subject line is just as important as the message itself. However, it appears that younger generations have disregarded this practice, and "(No subject)" seems to be gaining popularity as a trend. This is, of course, just my personal observation.
Good one, I dislike receiving this too.
You can't create a topic without entering a title. PMs should reject the default too. Patch time?
You can't create a topic without entering a title. PMs should reject the default too. Patch time?
What is funny to me is that I did not bother to read the title of any personal messages that anyone send to me, what I look at first is the person that send the personal message, after checking the person, I go straight to the message to read it. They are just few sentences which I can easily read. But people are different from people.
I know that many users don't like receiving PM. I understand and you are within your rights.
Personally, I don't mind being PM'd because I know it's a way for people to reach out to me. And if someone abuses it, I can take action in that case.
The only thing that bothers me is that the MP's title is just "(No subject)". I know this is what appears by default, but it can be changed. Normally this field serves to define the title of the message - three or four words that identify the objective of the PM.
Therefore, I ask that when you send a PM, write something in the subject of the PM and not just leave the "(No subject)". This helps a lot in managing PMs.
I believe that most people will not read this information, but here's a note. Maybe other users "suffer" from the same "problem".
Hugs to everyone, fellow Bitcoiners and Bitcointalkers!
Personally, I don't mind being PM'd because I know it's a way for people to reach out to me. And if someone abuses it, I can take action in that case.
The only thing that bothers me is that the MP's title is just "(No subject)". I know this is what appears by default, but it can be changed. Normally this field serves to define the title of the message - three or four words that identify the objective of the PM.
Therefore, I ask that when you send a PM, write something in the subject of the PM and not just leave the "(No subject)". This helps a lot in managing PMs.
I believe that most people will not read this information, but here's a note. Maybe other users "suffer" from the same "problem".
Hugs to everyone, fellow Bitcoiners and Bitcointalkers!
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