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Quote from: suchmoon on March 29, 2016, 09:40:26 AM

I'm not sure how to interpret sardasa's question "Are you on DT?" but since it ended with a "I would better get it by trading honestly" then I'm not going to worry too much about that.

Well, A genuine person would have straight away said a NO and have opened this thread.The question "are you on DT" is shady in itself and of course the jealousy of unsuccessful deal on top of it.Like i said ,giving and asking trust are way too different acts.

Quote from: mixan on March 29, 2016, 11:16:32 AM

Now you say that I attempted to scam in the false feeback that you just left.
Wow just wow Shocked

The system here is broken. Full of lies just to pump up your credibility with what ever agenda you have in mind.
This is just sad Undecided

System is full of shit and everyone knows that but in a situation of yours i wouldn't start venting on users who barely leave me a Neutral rating.

And I am solely posting here because of this.

Quote from: suchmoon on March 28, 2016, 07:46:21 PM

unless someone can provide a solid reason why this isn't worthy a neg.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on March 28, 2016, 05:40:33 PM

lol his trust ratings won't give you any green ratings either. Btw at this point of time Green Trust ratings means nothing unless you're personally trusted by reputed members.Every other dude who closes a deal as minimum as 0.02 has green trust ratings.I would show you a few users who have repeatedly given trust ratings for deals worth 0.02.I have traded over BTC3 in this forum and still don't have any.You would know it better.I dealt with escrow.ms over BTC1 .never asked for feedbacks.Its general,people who'd have to trust you,they will anyhow.It barely matters..

The dude is actually trying to sell you trust.

I got scammed for 0.3 btc by a green trusted member. After that, I removed everyone from my trust list--green trust means little around here. Not absolutely nothing, because there are reputable members, but little.

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Quote from: mixan on March 29, 2016, 11:16:32 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on March 29, 2016, 09:40:26 AM

Here is what I see:

1) mixan genuinely believed that his/her trust can make someone green and was trying to sell it for ~$50

or

2) mixan was aware that his/her trust is meaningless and was trying to scam the OP for ~$50

I'm not sure how to interpret sardasa's question "Are you on DT?" but since it ended with a "I would better get it by trading honestly" then I'm not going to worry too much about that.

Quote from: Heutenamos on March 29, 2016, 02:14:22 AM

1) because he did not lie that he is on DT.If he isn't lying for his benefits then he is not a scammer.

mixan lied by promising to increase OP's trust rating and tried to get $50 for something he couldn't possibly deliver, even if you ignore the whole "trust sale" issue.

Now you say that I attempted to scam in the false feeback that you just left.
Wow just wow Shocked

The system here is broken. Full of lies just to pump up your credibility with what ever agenda you have in mind.
This is just sad Undecided

Of course it's the system's fault. How about a quick glance at the mirror, shall we?

You got a neutral in an extremely shady deal. Count your blessings and move on.

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Quote from: mixan on March 29, 2016, 11:16:32 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on March 29, 2016, 09:40:26 AM

Here is what I see:

1) mixan genuinely believed that his/her trust can make someone green and was trying to sell it for ~$50

or

2) mixan was aware that his/her trust is meaningless and was trying to scam the OP for ~$50

I'm not sure how to interpret sardasa's question "Are you on DT?" but since it ended with a "I would better get it by trading honestly" then I'm not going to worry too much about that.

Quote from: Heutenamos on March 29, 2016, 02:14:22 AM

1) because he did not lie that he is on DT.If he isn't lying for his benefits then he is not a scammer.

mixan lied by promising to increase OP's trust rating and tried to get $50 for something he couldn't possibly deliver, even if you ignore the whole "trust sale" issue.

Now you say that I attempted to scam in the false feeback that you just left.
Wow just wow Shocked

The system here is broken. Full of lies just to pump up your credibility with what ever agenda you have in mind.
This is just sad Undecided

bought account? you asked for -25% because you would have left positive trust. how exactly do you call that?

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 29, 2016, 09:40:26 AM

Here is what I see:

1) mixan genuinely believed that his/her trust can make someone green and was trying to sell it for ~$50

or

2) mixan was aware that his/her trust is meaningless and was trying to scam the OP for ~$50

I'm not sure how to interpret sardasa's question "Are you on DT?" but since it ended with a "I would better get it by trading honestly" then I'm not going to worry too much about that.

Quote from: Heutenamos on March 29, 2016, 02:14:22 AM

1) because he did not lie that he is on DT.If he isn't lying for his benefits then he is not a scammer.

mixan lied by promising to increase OP's trust rating and tried to get $50 for something he couldn't possibly deliver, even if you ignore the whole "trust sale" issue.

Now you say that I attempted to scam in the false feeback that you just left.
Wow just wow Shocked

The system here is broken. Full of lies just to pump up your credibility with what ever agenda you have in mind.
This is just sad Undecided

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Here is what I see:

1) mixan genuinely believed that his/her trust can make someone green and was trying to sell it for ~$50

or

2) mixan was aware that his/her trust is meaningless and was trying to scam the OP for ~$50

I'm not sure how to interpret sardasa's question "Are you on DT?" but since it ended with a "I would better get it by trading honestly" then I'm not going to worry too much about that.

Quote from: Heutenamos on March 29, 2016, 02:14:22 AM

1) because he did not lie that he is on DT.If he isn't lying for his benefits then he is not a scammer.

mixan lied by promising to increase OP's trust rating and tried to get $50 for something he couldn't possibly deliver, even if you ignore the whole "trust sale" issue.

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Quote from: shorena on March 29, 2016, 09:06:11 AM

Quote from: mixan on March 29, 2016, 02:00:32 PM

Sadasa asked me in the pm if I was dt, I said straight out "No"
Please look again at those pm's.
I did not claim I was part of the dt network.

#1 dont PM me, write here.
#2 You asked for -25%, because it will give green trust. You failed to understand that it would only change from your perspective. However selling a bad deal with you will get more deals from others because you will have a green rating sounds very much like trust selling to me.

OK, I admit I was in the wrong there. I am sorry for this. But the user could of just said "No thanks" but he continued with asking if I was on the dt trust system. Which I said no. I did not try and impersonate anyone, which is what your negative feedback entails.
No, I did not know how this was selling trust just that I was stating a fact which was obviously wrong. Thank you for showing me the error in my ways.
I will not do this again.

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Quote from: mixan on March 29, 2016, 02:00:32 PM

Sadasa asked me in the pm if I was dt, I said straight out "No"
Please look again at those pm's.
I did not claim I was part of the dt network.

#1 dont PM me, write here.
#2 You asked for -25%, because it will give green trust. You failed to understand that it would only change from your perspective. However selling a bad deal with you will get more deals from others because you will have a green rating sounds very much like trust selling to me.

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Quote from: Heutenamos on March 29, 2016, 02:14:22 AM

That above statement show that he is not completely selling trust or is a shady person.

I think its funny how you complicate obvious things.Maybe there are a few more statements you should have skimmed through .

Quote from: Heutenamos on March 29, 2016, 02:14:22 AM

3) The OP is an obvious Butt-Hurt cause if he was so honest or nice person to make this thread then his next reply would have been -- "Oh no dude,you are selling trust which i think is shady and i shouldn't deal with shady people"-- but instead he was interested to get a positive if he is on DT or not (by asking it openly) & i am certainly sure that the transaction haven't gone through which is why the OP made this thread.

Lol ,other false assumption.Did you check Op's thread where he does his exchanges ? I think he has better offers in line to cry over not successfully trading BTC0.33.I don't see any reasons why this shouldn't be posted openly.

Quote from: Heutenamos on March 29, 2016, 02:14:22 AM

4)User asking for trust and user giving trust is not the same.The first one has the intent to scam & in this case it is the OP but the latter one shows the carelessness or thinking to benefit oneself/selfishness but not shady or scammy.

Nothing shady or scammy here,its against the forum rules to sell trust.You can clearly make out mixan wanting to sell trust by closing a deal for cheaper price.In fact,he emphasized on Trust as a source as why this deal should take place and not the actual deal.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 28, 2016, 07:46:21 PM

unless someone can provide a solid reason why this isn't worthy a neg.

1) because he did not lie that he is on DT.If he isn't lying for his benefits then he is not a scammer.

2)

Quote from: shorena on March 29, 2016, 12:43:30 AM

You have no idea how the trust system works, do you?

Your rating is a complete LIE.He openly said that he is not on DT,of course he himself is confused but that doesn't changes the fact that your rating is false & nor it gives you the right to put it as you want & particularly when there is evidence against it.

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Quote from: mixan on March 28, 2016, 05:20:15 PM

I only gave an offer for an exchange. He had a choice to refuse it.
Is there anything in error to ask if they want to go forward with this exchange?
I don't, if the exchange went successfully for both parties then I would give him a positive feedback, thus he would have a green rating to forward his trading prospects here.

You have no idea how the trust system works, do you?

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on March 29, 2016, 12:29:46 AM

Quote from: wakhidNkcom on March 29, 2016, 12:22:36 AM

I think trust system on forum is broke it no real in real life because any1 or me or you can put good or bad trust.
maybe it can be take down and then no confision. to easy to make look trusty person when real a scamer

I dont wanna derail this thread and get way off topic so this will be my last post on the subject.

I dont think we need to lose the trust system. If you dont trust someone its totally fine to put your rating on them. Or at least pop a neutral rating up, but DT members need to consider all the evidence before popping a rating on accounts. For the most part they all do a good job.

I sory. not mean to change subject. yes for most part the people on dt do good job but some do scam. it is no safe for us to trust the trust

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Quote from: wakhidNkcom on March 29, 2016, 12:22:36 AM

I think trust system on forum is broke it no real in real life because any1 or me or you can put good or bad trust.
maybe it can be take down and then no confision. to easy to make look trusty person when real a scamer

I dont wanna derail this thread and get way off topic so this will be my last post on the subject.

I dont think we need to lose the trust system. If you dont trust someone its totally fine to put your rating on them. Or at least pop a neutral rating up, but DT members need to consider all the evidence before popping a rating on accounts. For the most part they all do a good job.

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I think trust system on forum is broke it no real in real life because any1 or me or you can put good or bad trust.
maybe it can be take down and then no confision. to easy to make look trusty person when real a scamer

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Quote from: mixan on March 28, 2016, 05:42:11 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on March 28, 2016, 05:31:18 PM

Just pointing out that mixan's trust raitings have no effect and will appear as untruseted by default. The only reason he sees the Jr. Member with +3 trust is because in your trust list, you are on your own list unless you remove yourself. Mixan technically is using trust to get him a discount, which is similar to selling trust. He also lied and said your trust would become green and +3, which is not the case. I don't think your trust becomes green till it's over a certain number (5? Not 100% sure). Also, trust ages to 10 points over time, one for each month so you wouldn't receive 3 points instantly, even if he was on DT

Ok I was mistaken as I see the ones that I gave trust too as green. This was my error, I accept this. But, I was unaware of this so it was not selling trust.
I just pointed this fact (which was not right, I know) that is what would happen, is that selling anything?

Whether you were mistaken about how trust works or not, you still tried to use your rating or the trust rating you would give as a reason to give you a discount. You also plainly stated to sardasa that your rating would get others to trust him and trade with him. Basically yes youre actions are shady as hell. You deserve a neg rating so you dont try to pull these stunts in the future.

Personally the trust system around here is shit IMO. 1 guy can ruin your account for you. Obviously if youre not doing shady shit you have little to no worries but ive seen some pretty piss poor ratings lately. Kind of a shoot 1st and ask questions later type system we got going on.

I dont even worry about the trust crap myself. I been around awhile now managing signature campaigns, buying btc, selling btc, and getting or giving loans. I have received quite a few good feedbacks as well but none from anyone who carries weight.(not asking for any either just stating facts) My point is if you go about your daily business and keep your nose clean you will get what you seek ppl. No need to care about being the top dog or any other crap.

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Quote from: sardasa on March 28, 2016, 05:13:49 PM

mixan: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mixan-195206
This is the conversation we had few minutes back.

Does it call for negative trust by DT members on his profile?

Fantastic. Selling fake trust. I'll ponder this for a moment. Don't want to rush with judgement but it sure looks shady as hell, unless someone can provide a solid reason why this isn't worthy a neg.

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Hiding behind a screen is not a shield.

You could of just told me yes or no. Simply put.

I have no more conversations with a person such as you.

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and now this guy started abusing also.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on March 28, 2016, 05:31:18 PM

Just pointing out that mixan's trust raitings have no effect and will appear as untruseted by default. The only reason he sees the Jr. Member with +3 trust is because in your trust list, you are on your own list unless you remove yourself. Mixan technically is using trust to get him a discount, which is similar to selling trust. He also lied and said your trust would become green and +3, which is not the case. I don't think your trust becomes green till it's over a certain number (5? Not 100% sure). Also, trust ages to 10 points over time, one for each month so you wouldn't receive 3 points instantly, even if he was on DT

Ok I was mistaken as I see the ones that I gave trust too as green. This was my error, I accept this. But, I was unaware of this so it was not selling trust.
I just pointed this fact (which was not right, I know) that is what would happen, is that selling anything?

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