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Quote from: akram143 on December 03, 2019, 09:10:58 AM

Quote from: squatz1 on December 01, 2019, 08:00:08 PM

I don't understand the hatred towards vapes when people are literally dying every year because of cigarettes.

IMHO only government hate vape products because they will lose a big chunk from their tax income if more people start using vape instead of cigarettes.

But that's not the case fully. The US government (States and Local governments in particular) would be able to regulate vape products and place a sin tax on them as well. Do I think this is the right thing to do? No. Because I do truly think that vape products are used by adults to ease off the health issues when it comes to using cigarettes.

Government should have never become reliant on the taxes that they got from cigarettes and such, that's an issue in and of itself. They should be cutting their expenses in order to not have to rely on sin taxes, but they're not going to do that because government is government. They're going to spend more, complain about less taxes, ban things, tax more things, and so on.

But a boy can dream.

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Agreed. Vape is much less harmful than cigarettes. Also, in my opinion, it will disappear itself when it gets out of fashion

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Quote from: squatz1 on December 01, 2019, 08:00:08 PM

I don't understand the hatred towards vapes when people are literally dying every year because of cigarettes.

IMHO only government hate vape products because they will lose a big chunk from their tax income if more people start using vape instead of cigarettes.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 30, 2019, 11:18:19 AM

Hopefully they don't figure out the vapers are killing themselves faster than the smokers, that would suck. I'd still want to know though.

supposedly, the amount of nicotine you ingest can be higher when using vapes. And nicotine isn't so healthy even without all the other toxic substances you're exposed to through smoking.

But if you can get some assurance that certain producers of nicotine solutions for vaping are at a given (low) concentration, you could probably get what's actually promoted with vaping, instead of swapping low nicotine product for a high nicotine product.

The whole thing seems a little ridiculous to me overall. Smoking is that embodiment of "I just don't give a fuck, watch me prove it by inhaling addictive toxic smoke". Vaping is saying "I'm an addict, and I don't have the willpower to give up, and don't get that it looks a bit desperate"

Smoke or give up. Anything in between comes across as psychological weakness. Either you give zero fucks and can control yourself and your will, or you can't.

Yes, anything you ingest while smoking isn't going to be healthy. Obviously nicotine is bad for you. But is nicotine as bad for you as all the tars and all that horrible shit in that are in cigarettes? No. It's not.

Vaping for people that have cigarettes right now is a way to either ease off of cigarettes or to at least get a healthier way of ingesting nicotine.

I don't understand the hatred towards vapes when people are literally dying every year because of cigarettes.

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^^^ But the real question is freedom.

If government wants people to NOT be free, then make laws. If they want people to be free don't make laws. After all, laws just make for agitation, and don't really stop anything anyway.

How do you help people by not making laws? Advertise and warn. Then give the people what they have gotten themselves into. If the family won't support and take care of the addict who has been overwhelmingly warned... mass public graves when they die. And asylums where they are free to kill off each other.

Why should the freedom of people who heed the warnings, be removed or taxed to take care of those who won't listen? The street druggies of Frisco and Sacramento should be dumped into wide, open-inside buildings where they can fight it out and kill each other off. This will protect the good people of San Francisco.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 30, 2019, 11:18:19 AM

Hopefully they don't figure out the vapers are killing themselves faster than the smokers, that would suck. I'd still want to know though.

supposedly, the amount of nicotine you ingest can be higher when using vapes. And nicotine isn't so healthy even without all the other toxic substances you're exposed to through smoking.

But if you can get some assurance that certain producers of nicotine solutions for vaping are at a given (low) concentration, you could probably get what's actually promoted with vaping, instead of swapping low nicotine product for a high nicotine product.

The whole thing seems a little ridiculous to me overall. Smoking is that embodiment of "I just don't give a fuck, watch me prove it by inhaling addictive toxic smoke". Vaping is saying "I'm an addict, and I don't have the willpower to give up, and don't get that it looks a bit desperate"

Smoke or give up. Anything in between comes across as psychological weakness. Either you give zero fucks and can control yourself and your will, or you can't.

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Smoked for ~7 years, bought a $30 Juul almost 2 years ago and haven't touched a cig ever since. Haven't even had to replace the Juul and don't feel any motivation to buy one of those crazy kits where you mix the juices and can fill up a room with a cloud.

I feel like it's definitely ~~more healthy~~ less unhealthy. I used to get colds and have a sore throat pretty often, especially during the winter.
That seems to have gotten much better. Plus I was always very self conscious about my hands and breath smelling.

Hopefully they don't figure out the vapers are killing themselves faster than the smokers, that would suck. I'd still want to know though.

I think it's good they are putting a lot of effort into discouraging kids from trying it. I imagine it's a lot easier to get addicted since it's much more convenient to sneak a puff throughout the day and the nicotine content is much higher. I know nicotine doesn't kill people but no good reason to get addicted to it.

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Quote from: clickerz on November 30, 2019, 03:38:11 AM

Quote from: akram143 on November 29, 2019, 12:43:36 PM

I am not supporting vape but if government cares about their people's health then why they allowed cigarettes and alcohols they are supposed to be same injurious but still it was legal as long as people paying lot of taxes to buy those products.

Good point here. All this banning is pointing to taxes. Those cigarettes and alcohol they say were paying taxes and regulated. So, they are looking into vape as a source of income for government and also possibly that lobbying from tobacco companies is strong. Tobacco sales maybe and surely affected as vaping is becoming popular.

Vape juices can be made by anyone from their home itself so cigarette companies making this ban by influencing governments.

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I know why they're turning against vaping products because you see more and more kids use them. Teenagers are vaping everywhere because there are no rules concerning these things and they can be used in public with no age limit. They are afraid that kids will get addicted to nicotine in young age and parents won't even know because the smell is easy to hide.

I'm also against any kinds of bans and actually like the smell of these oils. I don't smoke and I don't vape, but I dislike cigarette smoke and can always smell it on other people.
That said, I understand the point of regulating vaping products. Somebody should make sure these things aren't sold to and used by kids and the oils are free of harmful substances.

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I don't think they should be banned but they should be taxed as "vice" like liquor and alcohol. People should be alllowed to use them but not inconvenience others. In my country they decided to leave the banning to the local government but it's banned from use in public everywhere.

IMHO products like this and alcohol and cigarettes should make people ineligible for insurance on related diseases. For example if you smoked yourself to lung cancer you should have it treated with money out of your pocket.

Quote from: squatz1 on November 28, 2019, 12:05:53 PM

Everyone and their mothers knows that its much safer to just use nicotine and nicotine products such as JUUL instead of smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes are beyond horrible for you. People are peddled this lie that JUUL might be worse for you then Cigs.

I don't think they'd cause more harm than cigarettes. They still have nicotine but it can be less than those in cigars and it don't have all the other harmful byproducts.

What I think worries people is it's making it "hip" for teens to vape and that it might get them to use actual cigarettes. Which is the opposite of what vaping was originally intended for, to get people off tobacco, slowly dial down nicotine intake and quit nicotine addiction for good.

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Quote from: akram143 on November 29, 2019, 12:43:36 PM

I am not supporting vape but if government cares about their people's health then why they allowed cigarettes and alcohols they are supposed to be same injurious but still it was legal as long as people paying lot of taxes to buy those products.

Good point here. All this banning is pointing to taxes. Those cigarettes and alcohol they say were paying taxes and regulated. So, they are looking into vape as a source of income for government and also possibly that lobbying from tobacco companies is strong. Tobacco sales maybe and surely affected as vaping is becoming popular.

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Quote from: gabmen on November 30, 2019, 12:18:48 AM

Well for me, if cigarettes aren't banned in a certain country, then there's no logic in banning vapes. I mean, it's the lesser of the two evil so why not focus on cigarettes first where a whole lot more people are affected? Though we can't really do anything about it if a government implements such orders. We can voice our our minds but we don't have any choice but to follow.

If you can't believe governments on a subject like vaping, how can you believe governments on anything?

It's absolutely, 100% okay if government tobacco revenues go to zero because of vaping.

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Well for me, if cigarettes aren't banned in a certain country, then there's no logic in banning vapes. I mean, it's the lesser of the two evil so why not focus on cigarettes first where a whole lot more people are affected? Though we can't really do anything about it if a government implements such orders. We can voice our our minds but we don't have any choice but to follow.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on November 29, 2019, 12:57:36 AM

This whole vape scare is about the tax revenue the state is not collecting on standard tobacco products. This is all to justify taxing vape products just like tobacco.

Correct! If Vape products would be totally banned, then the main beneficiaries will be the the following entities:
1. Cigarette manufacturers -> increase in revenue
2. Government -> which stands to collect more tax from tobacco industry
3. Politicians -> donation recipient from Tobacco industry lobbyists
4. Tobacco farmers - increase in revenue

And as usual, the ordinary people have got everything to lose! Grin

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on November 29, 2019, 06:24:16 AM

Quote from: Sadlife on November 29, 2019, 06:05:06 AM

Honestly they're all acting in assumptions right now where in fact vape haven't killed anybody but that was cause by cigarettes that contains nicotine. Why dont they conduct an experiment to see which is dangerous towards human health ?

nicotine damages cardio-vascular tissue, it makes arteries less flexible in response to increased bloodflow

forget about the whole "vaping is healthy" angle, you're pretty much begging to be "helped" by government intervention that way

I am not supporting vape but if government cares about their people's health then why they allowed cigarettes and alcohols they are supposed to be same injurious but still it was legal as long as people paying lot of taxes to buy those products.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on November 29, 2019, 12:57:36 AM

This whole vape scare is about the tax revenue the state is not collecting on standard tobacco products. This is all to justify taxing vape products just like tobacco.

Sadly I think thats all there is to it, vaping vilified to bring on tax parity.

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Essentially nothing is banned in a correctly formed Private Membership Association (PMA).

Government is for directing the public. Private, as long as nobody is harmed, is outside of the pervue of governmental regulation. PMAs are set up based on Constitution, Amendments, and 70 Supreme Court cases that bar government from regulating private activities done in private. Again, there must be full disclosure of dangers involved with whatever activity the PMA does. But the government must show clear, provable dangers to uninformed members of the PMA before it becomes a public thing.

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Quote from: Sadlife on November 29, 2019, 06:05:06 AM

Honestly they're all acting in assumptions right now where in fact vape haven't killed anybody but that was cause by cigarettes that contains nicotine. Why dont they conduct an experiment to see which is dangerous towards human health ?

nicotine damages cardio-vascular tissue, it makes arteries less flexible in response to increased bloodflow

forget about the whole "vaping is healthy" angle, you're pretty much begging to be "helped" by government intervention that way

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This is so sad i never thought that the government would ban a product that doesn't contain any chemical due to misunderstandings. I thought vape was a revolutionary product that could finally stop the use of cigarettes and even cause smokers to stop. Honestly they're all acting in assumptions right now where in fact vape haven't killed anybody but that was cause by cigarettes that contains nicotine. Why dont they conduct an experiment to see which is dangerous towards human health ?

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Many DIY experiments between vape and cigarettes proves that smoking cigarette is 10 times more harmful for our lungs compared to vaping.If every smoker turned into vapers then how all these cigarette manufacturers will live so they will influence any governments to ban the products then they can sell them for more price then before.Government also has advantage of allowing cigarette like getting high tax for every cigarette getting sold in their country.

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