Topic: Vareole is a scammer (Read 813 times)

Reported him too.

I also wrote to the Antiscam support (@notoscam). You can locate the account by searching "notoscam" and write to them. Hopefully it yields positive results.

Just reported.



Hopefully more users will report the channel. It seems this channel is the hub for him.

yeah i found his telegram server: https://t.me/vareoleChannel
Report it guys maybe we will lock it somehow. I picked "Other" As reason for report and i wrote he is selling stolen paypals and credit cards. Maybe telegram support will block his account if it get reported more times.

Sad.
This means he is still doing the same business under the same profile?

PS: I think in telegram there is a bot where you can report scammers. Maybe someone else knows the exact process. Some users should report the user so that the telegram mark him as a scammer and add the warning sign.

He scammed me for 100$. I asked him to verify one of my accounts but after he received LTC he removed whole chat on telegram. It happened few minutes ago.
https://pasteboard.co/JXqgN9k.png

https://live.blockcypher.com/ltc/tx/b063253fbbc4af0843a5c88f4ab91da2d90f4e5b6bd4a7a94cdc164c66053f16/

It's a problem that is part of the mind:

Since there are a lot of newbie scammers and detractors, a subconscious bias has probably developed in that people are less trusting of Newbie accounts.
Such a bias would make sense if the ideology was turned into, "do not trust anyone," instead of, "do not trust Newbies".

The real stick in the mud for this case, though, is the fact that we do not have direct and verifiable evidence: screenshots can be faked, logs can be faked, but in the case where the user showed third-party exported chat logs implicating Vareole? That is sufficient. The forum is extremely friendly to scammers but that is due to the (somewhat, maybe not really) decentralized nature of the trust system - how can you be sure someone is a scammer off of another person's words?

Funny to see that all these DT members who blamed newbie accounts as alt ones and defended this piece of shit are now gone. Look my feedback, already in November I did give him negative mentioning he will pull exit scam sooner or later.

All those DT members should be removed from that list, as they do not put enough time and effort into analysing situation and just blaming any new account by fake accusations. All you DTs are crap, BIG BULL CRAP.

Finally he got busted, exactly the same way as Walmart34 and Varpenter. Just wait until he is back here again with another username. His scheme is always same and it is pretty damn easy to understand when he is back.

I've also supported the flag. I held out hope that it wasn't Vareole communicating with the OP, but he admitted that it was, and now it looks bad. Vareole was helpful in outing scammers but of course that doesn't necessarily mean that he's not a scammer himself. A shame.

Posted.

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Post history archive related to the feedback about ignoring the scam accusation thread.

Doesn't really matter that much but only adds more credence to the situation as represented in the thread. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ are we going to get a response or not?

Not a problem. You in fact saved the next person to get scammed by this innovative trick.

The flag is fine. However you may need to update your OP with the flag link which is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2587
And there is a topic somewhere which is about to request supporting or opposing a flag. Post the flag link on the topic to with the request for supporting it. (Sorry, I could not find the link of the topic or I would do that for you)

These tags so far in his profile and the flag will work as a massive warning for others and hopefully no one else will get scammed by this account again.


You should be ashamed of giving one after another excuses instead of just confessing your intention straight forward, maybe you would have a second chance but now you have lost all unfortunately.

Flag supported.
This is a very clear case of made up story. The user edited the message and changed it to different address and now to cover up the lie he is making up rest of the stories like he was very busy. 

Your words. Creating an Ether wallet is not very hard. You can easily create a disposable wallet and once you got the ETH you can move it to another address that is your permanent or whatever you like. The words mean nothing.

Not relevant. No one is asking you what you do and how you deal.

The fact is, the text was not edited before your next text "ok, let me know when its confirmed".

You are a lair. And everything you have done in this thread to convince others proves you are a scammer.

@Royse777 and @actmyname thank you two for helping me.
I created the type 2 flag.

Address 1: bc1qk59w4kupt5rrd4hka9zh4pv99rfjuaxp459fkm
Address 2: 0x3139029d8b651a039b3a3a3609baf7b8d71767db

Do you see a difference? The second one is the ETH address. How do I know this? Because there is the hexadecimal prefix 0x in front of it. BTC addresses don't use this.
I also tried multiple phone wallets (Trust, BRD, Stasis and Exodus) if it's possible to send ETH to an BTC address (even tried a BTC address with an added 0x prefix). None of those would let me send ETH to an BTC address. (I will provide no proof, please try it out yourself  )

Even though I'm a newbie in this forum, I already did several bitcoin and ethereum transactions on other webshops and therefore know the difference between an BTC and ETH address.

How should we check that? It's impossible to verify or check that. You could always have thousands of additional addresses we don't know.

Your replies make no sense.

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Timeline:

vareole: 0.122152 [21:29]
vareole: original address [21:29]
adriankendrick: is sending [21:34]
vareole: ok, let me know when its confirmed [21:35]
[varole edits the address at 21:36:25]
adriankendrick: Already 6 confirmations [21:36:34]
vareole: let me check [21:36:48]

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How does this make any sense we consider the following facts and claims?

Claim: You sent him a BTC wallet.
Fact: You sent an address, the user responded that they were sending the transaction and you responded - a whole minute before the edit.
Claim: You sent him BTC wallet and edited the BTC wallet to your ETH wallet.
Fact: You edited the wallet before you wrote the message that you were checking.

If you noticed the address was wrong, why didn't you say so before you edited it?
If the address was a BTC address, then why didn't anyone notice? After all, 0.1 ETH is a magnitude of value below 0.1 BTC.

Okay well that clarifies that bit. I was inclined to believe OP but was fairly positive apart from accessing their account there was no way to validate their information. I previously opted not to place the following opinion on the matter in this thread until more was revealed.

Regardless of what address was posted I hold Vareole responsible for OP's lost funds. You do not post an address, ask for payment, then edit the address ever. Even if it's posted in error, you should leave it there, and then just post that that was the wrong address please send to: [Insert correct address] Never deleting or editing the conversation. Given what we know of Skype there is no way from us to see what address was in fact posted originally, this would be damning evidence either way.

My neutral feedback on the matter looked at this as at the very least poor practices in providing their service and at the worst shady dealings. Could Vareole have been taken advantage of in that moment. Seems far fetched, given OP could not have known that Vareole would have edited the address as opposed to typing out the proper one after posting their TX. I'll be revising my feedback to reflect that vareole lied about the edit, and dismissed OP until DT looked into the matter. Very dangerous for newbies when this is how service is provided.

I was able to download the file from OPs skype account. The json code provided was authentic, actmyname also confirmed me the same.

There is one problem with this export file which is - they do not show message that was before editing. OP also had an edited text just right before Vareole sent the address. The content of that edited text and original text was same that conclude me that skype do not keep log of the message that was edited.


On the above code green is original time and red is edited time.
Original time:  ~snip~, 21:29:07
Edited time: ~snip~, 21:36:25
Source converter.

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This does not feel few seconds rather it's over 7 minutes.

I am tagging user vareole. adriankendrick, please create a flag type two too, you will have my support. Sorry for your lose adriankendrick.

Edit:
@vareole, if you have a better explanation within 24 hours then please feel free to share. I will consider revising the tag if it is satisfying also I will wait for this 24 hours before supporting any flag against you.

Good thing that there is some compromise happening after all this debacle. I know about the DT part but wouldn't they be wary of the transaction in the first place, they made the transaction in this forum so they might as well ask some people on the right board about the one that they are having a transaction with. Pretty bad being a newbie in this platform, the concerns might be serious but if the scammer is smarter than you, you might get thrown down the gutter, understandably the forum also wants to prevent possible defamation of some veteran users.

In order to be a completely transparent with all of you I will provide you the method, how I exchanged the file with Royse777 and actmyname without the possibility for me to change the file.

As I already wrote in the first post, I will find a way to exchange the file with a 100% proof that I didn‘t edit the file.
I will add you to my PM so you can check it too.