Topic: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son - page 22. (Read 4095 times)

Careful you don't break your necks sucking each other off too hard while you fantasize and project. Everyone knows when you get together with people who all agree with you your correctness instantly goes up 20%.

Same stale failed formula. Accuse until you run out of arguments, then shift to the next accusation, and form groups of hive minded people to  stand around and assure yourselves that THIS TIME you got him. So what about those non-subpoena subpoenas?

My bad.. Although I know plenty on the right that would fall into that category as well.

Well, at least you seem to be over your Ukraine delusion, so that's a step in the right direction.

It think it would be more accurate to say Trump supporters.

This is the conclusion I've come to when it comes to Tech and Spend. You know the one thing I've noticed. Most of those that are more on the left are perfectly willing to change their opinion and viewpoint on things when someone makes rational arguments and acts like a grownup to show them real facts. But those on the right are more like cult followers who just blindly follow along and aren't objective about anything. No wonder the US is so fucked up.

I'm confused, you knew Sondland was lying when he said there was no quid pro quo the whole time?  Or you think he's lying now?

Did you also know they were focusing on the press conference more than the investigation also?  That was news to me.  (Or do you just not believe any of them?)

Just because it came out today doesn't mean it reveals anything new. Just more "NO U!!!1" tactics in a perpetual assembly line of accusations never amounting to anything substantive.

This is all stuff that has come out today and yesterday in the transcripts they just released from last weeks hearings.  Sondland is a Trump appointee that clearly had Trumps back till today.


btw, wtf is up with Kentucky electing a Dem Governor? 

Like I said, this is nothing new. Just more spectacles in a long parade of individuals making claims that never pan out, and you pretend it never happened as you line up the next one.

You are indeed watching the spectacle of the totally corrupt back room of one American party pushing Biden, at the same time attempting to equalize the corruption by accusing and attempting to convict Trump of the exact same thing.

I think most of the witnesses have testified that the actual deal was for a press conference or some sort of public announcement so the world would know Biden was being investigated in exchange for the military stuff and a meeting at the White House.  This would definitely make the "he was doing it for political reasons" argument stronger since a press release like that would be far more valuable politically right away.  The investigation might turn up nothing or not finish till after the election.

Also, that text message I posted was sent right after he got off the phone with Trump.  

Another thing that I think is super shady is how Trump sent Rudy over there (a private citizen) to work out the deal.  Meanwhile, the State Dept people who handle foreign relations with Ukraine had no idea what was going on.  That's just embarrassing and could affect the way other countries deal with our Ambassadors.

The way they fired the Ambassador was also shady.  You should read the transcripts and reports from her.

This isn't anything new or damning. Lets look at some quotes...

"In his new testimony, Mr. Sondland said he believed that withholding the aid — a package of $391 million in security assistance that had been approved by Congress — was “ill-advised,” although he did not know “when, why or by whom the aid was suspended.” But he said he came to believe that the aid was tied to the investigations.

“I presumed that the aid suspension had become linked to the proposed anticorruption statement,” Mr. Sondland said."


"In his updated testimony, Mr. Sondland recounted how he had discussed the link with Andriy Yermak, a top adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, on the sidelines of a Sept. 1 meeting between Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Zelensky in Warsaw. Mr. Zelensky had discussed the suspension of aid with Mr. Pence, Mr. Sondland said.

“I said that resumption of the U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anticorruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks,” Mr. Sondland said in the document, which was released by the House committees leading the inquiry, along with the transcript of his original testimony from last month."

"Mr. Sondland’s new testimony contradicted the notion that he was a lone wolf pushing the quid pro quo idea himself, and portrayed him instead as just the messenger who had discovered there was a linkage between the aid and the investigations and articulated it to others. He said it “would have been natural for me to have voiced what I presumed” about what was standing in the way of releasing the military assistance."

 I see lots of presumptions, assumptions, and beliefs, but no evidence of anything but Trump doing investigations relating to the 2016 elections, as he is entitled to as the chief of the executive branch. Funny how Trump has been subject to nonstop investigations one after another since 2016 (and before really), and none of that is "for personal political gain", but Trump investigating a PASSED election, well that's just too far! The assertion that Trump needs to do this to win over Joe Biden is even more laughable. Joe can't even keep himself together, or his hands to himself.

its time corrupt americans focus on their own business

Sorry bud.  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sondland-updates-impeachment-testimony-describing-ukraine-quid-pro-quo/ar-AAJTPJr

No source of any kind, sounds reliable. Also certainly doesn't sound like a horribly fumbled and failed attempt at entrapment either.

So the guy that donated $1m to the Trump campaign and was then picked for Ambassador to Europe just amended his testimony from last week.  Trump will not be pleased.


“I said that resumption of the U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anticorruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks,”





Ooops...

Actually I was referring to his poor physical condition with his eyes randomly popping blood vessels, his teeth falling out, and him losing his mind.

"A bit touchy" you say? There are whole compilations of videos of him groping small children and women making them visibly uncomfortable. These aren't even the long versions. But you are right, lets break out some more NO U!!!'s and project back on like 20 year old comments said in private, lets forget the public pattern of on camera molestation of your guy, because after all the end justify the means don't they?  Biden's legacy is over, but unlike the constant fraudulent accusations against Trump, real criminal investigations are in private and take time.

You keep fantasizing that any of these rejects has a chance in a fair vote. That is why it has been nonstop Russia Gate leading into a fraudulent impeachment all based on nothing, because that is the only chance they have of beating Trump is to use the tools designed to protect this nation from corruption as political weapons. If you think the American people are going to stand by and let that happen without a response, you are even more out of it than Joe Biden. Just keep reading them polls, it will make you feel better until its all over, just like last time.

I truly sympathize with your situation now, having semi-Autistic Trump blurting true gems about how hot his daughter Ivanka is, while you guys are stuck with Dead Dick Biden.

Reagan was called "the Teflon man" because of the way various attacks on him or his actions seemed to just slide right off, and not affect his political numbers.

It does seem Trump has some similar capability, doesn't it? It's certainly POSSIBLE for one person to be creepy and not abuse women, and another to not be creepy but outlandish, like Trump's "grab their pussies" comment.

Well, let's just say we were picking someone to vote for. I certainly wouldn't pick the CREEPY one, so if that was a label successfully impaled on Biden, he loses.

That's ironic.  He never even fucked Lewinsky and only finished once out of like 10 blow jobs.