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Topic: [VIDEO] Bitcoin is like a token of Trump's bankrupt casino - page 3. (Read 488 times)

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Everyone can lend dollars or bitcoins and receive them back. But this is not puting them on the market or issuing them. Nor this is withdrawing them from the market or redeeming them.  Only the issuer can withdraw and redeem a financial instrument. If you lend a bond to your neighbor and then receive the bond back, that doesn't mean the bond is redeemed. Only the bond issuer can do that by paying face value.

No, money issuers never redeem anything. The money in circulation will not be withdrawn from the market except to renew the ones that have been physically damaged. As I said, bankers (who serve society in general) are only third parties as first dealers. You have to understand why fiat is always devalued. You should also learn how the bank's fractional reserve system works, how that banker with their rights can easily double digits of money just from their teller's computers.

The fact that people rarely know is that the government only publishes the amount of physical money circulating, if you know the amount of money circulating in banks, you will be surprised that physical money is currently unable to cover it (if all customers withdraw all their savings). So, what you believe that fiat can be redeemed is wrong.
It's not wrong. It's your lack of understanding how the banking system works. When a bank issues a loan it literally creates numbers out of thin air. When the loan gets paid, number are literally destroyed - they are zeroed out in the balance sheets of the banks. They no longer exists in circulation. With new loans they are put back in circulation, and the whole process repeats itself. Before zeroing, numbers were redeemed, meaning the banks, via borrowers, paid non-monetary value to their last holders. Bitcoin is never withdrawn from circulation. Rather it is in an infinite circulation chain, were it just serves as a gift verification like in Ponzi schemes, where you give something to someone for free and then you are verified as a member. Bitcoin is simply digital verification of membership in Ponzi-like scheme. It has nothing to do with money or redemption. All legit money in the form of a financial instrument is redeemable.
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I don't know how exactly do they think that bitcoin is analogous to a losing lottery ticket because with what bitcoin's showing, I don't think that it's a losing lottery ticket because there's a lot of testaments to prove you wrong.
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[Nope]No hype delivers more than hope
Everyone can lend dollars or bitcoins and receive them back. But this is not puting them on the market or issuing them. Nor this is withdrawing them from the market or redeeming them.  Only the issuer can withdraw and redeem a financial instrument. If you lend a bond to your neighbor and then receive the bond back, that doesn't mean the bond is redeemed. Only the bond issuer can do that by paying face value.

No, money issuers never redeem anything. The money in circulation will not be withdrawn from the market except to renew the ones that have been physically damaged. As I said, bankers (who serve society in general) are only third parties as first dealers. You have to understand why fiat is always devalued. You should also learn how the bank's fractional reserve system works, how that banker with their rights can easily double digits of money just from their teller's computers.

The fact that people rarely know is that the government only publishes the amount of physical money circulating, if you know the amount of money circulating in banks, you will be surprised that physical money is currently unable to cover it (if all customers withdraw all their savings). So, what you believe that fiat can be redeemed is wrong.
jr. member
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Thats a damn good lottery ticket then. If you bought it any time before April 2021, everyone won a decent amount of money. I don’t see such a good odds in any lottery.
But yes, we are listening the same FUD every few years and yet BTC is only climbing up.

If I give you $50K for a losing lottery ticket this won't make it a winning one, but the deal would certainly make me stupid, or lucky if I find a greater fool.
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Explanation is too complicated. Basically the borrower has to pay back to the bank (and that can't be interpreted as withdrawing from the market) because that is an obligation in the agreement and has guaranteed other valuables (property assets).

The bank is just a third party for which you say fiat is redeemable. Nowadays there are many third party bitcoin lending services and they can also redeem your bitcoins. Banks are also the first medium to circulate money to the public where miners play this role (through p2p or the central exchange).
Everyone can lend dollars or bitcoins and receive them back. But this is not puting them on the market or issuing them. Nor this is withdrawing them from the market or redeeming them.  Only the issuer can withdraw and redeem a financial instrument. If you lend a bond to your neighbor and then receive the bond back, that doesn't mean the bond is redeemed. Only the bond issuer can do that by paying face value.
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Thats a damn good lottery ticket then. If you bought it any time before April 2021, everyone won a decent amount of money. I don’t see such a good odds in any lottery.
But yes, we are listening the same FUD every few years and yet BTC is only climbing up.
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https://youtu.be/52DuIE1-tJY

The linked video explains the difference between traditional financial instruments and bitcoin. Traditional are redeemable, while bitcoin is not. Which makes bitcoin equivalent to a losing lottery ticket. Or, similar to a stock of a bankrupt company, a currency of a former county or a casino token of a bankrupt casino.

Actually it's quite the opposite. Bitcoin is like a winning lottery ticket for most people nowadays. Back then, bitcoin's strength wasn't really seen by people. Only a few people have predicted it will have a high value and trusted their gut feeling. They are considered as the lucky ones because they managed to invest in its low position way back and hold it until now. Hence, bitcoin is like a winning lottery ticket that they have decided to hold onto until the moment they actually won because they trusted its potential. Although let's face the fact that bitcoin is not a get-rich-quick scheme. It takes time to make a profit. You need to have a lot of patience and determination to hold until you reach your target. It's considered as a store of value by most right now because of its nature which is decentralized. Despite being known to be a store of value, bitcoin is slowly fulfilling its original purpose which is to be a currency or as a medium of exchange. There are countries that are slowly transitioning and being open to bitcoin as their mode of payment which makes the mass adoption of bitcoin come to happen right before our eyes in a steady manner.
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https://youtu.be/52DuIE1-tJY

The linked video explains the difference between traditional financial instruments and bitcoin. Traditional are redeemable, while bitcoin is not. Which makes bitcoin equivalent to a losing lottery ticket. Or, similar to a stock of a bankrupt company, a currency of a former county or a casino token of a bankrupt casino.

I'm not going to waste my time watching a FUD video.
What do you mean by "redeemable"?You can sell BTC for fiat money.This makes BTC redeemable.
What do you mean by "traditional financial instruments"?There are stocks,bonds,mortgages,different kinds of loans,futures,call and put options.They are all traditional financial instruments,but they are different from each other.You can't just put them in one big group.
You are probably butthurt,because you have lost some Bitcoins,that's why you are hating on BTC and trying to spread FUD.Don't waste your time and move on.Losing money and making mistakes is a part of life.
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[Nope]No hype delivers more than hope
Explanation is too complicated. Basically the borrower has to pay back to the bank (and that can't be interpreted as withdrawing from the market) because that is an obligation in the agreement and has guaranteed other valuables (property assets).

The bank is just a third party for which you say fiat is redeemable. Nowadays there are many third party bitcoin lending services and they can also redeem your bitcoins. Banks are also the first medium to circulate money to the public where miners play this role (through p2p or the central exchange).
legendary
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Some people are still resisting to accept the reality that bitcoin is a medium of exchange, aka a currency.
I am sitting at home and are purchasing anything online of offline locally or from the other side of the world without needing any middleman, now if you want to call it whatever else including "lottery ticket" that doesn't change what bitcoin really is. I like to call US dollar "toilet paper" and wipe my ass with it but that doesn't change the real purpose of it!
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Maybe for the users who invested long back and cashed it out at the wrong time it seems like a losing lottery ticket. For the present day investors it isn't the right statement, because now people get into the investment with perfect understanding about the market. Earlier everything is made out of some sort belief and on random choice. So, we can't be judgemental on bitcoin as a losing lottery ticket. As of now it is the winning lottery ticket for everyone.
This topic is not about people and how much money they made.
jr. member
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The linked video explains the difference between traditional financial instruments and bitcoin. Traditional are redeemable, while bitcoin is not. Which makes bitcoin equivalent to a losing lottery ticket. Or, similar to a stock of a bankrupt company, a currency of a former county or a casino token of a bankrupt casino.

Just from your poor grasp of how Bitcoin works, it is definitely not even worth checking out the video. Bitcoin at it's heart is a currency, it is a currency whereby one unit is currently worth around 50,000 dollars when converted via an exchange or peer to peer transaction. You might not like that fact, there may not be much logic behind why so many people put such a high value on this particular currency, but it is the present reality that we live in. Currency is just a store of value. As we see with El Salvador, who have made it legal tender (AKA redeemable) what you have said is untrue and the pace is going against you every day. It feels like you either sold out too early or are just jealous that you missed out on the huge gains it has made since inception.
This topic has nothing to do with how Bitcoin works. Instead, it simply states two facts. First, the number that your wallet application reads from the digital media is non-redeemable. Second, numbers on losing lottery tickets are also non-redeemable. The same as numbers on paper stock or bond certificates of bankrupt companies and corporations. The same as numbers on metal/paper coins/banknotes of former countries. And the same as numbers on plastic tokens of bankrupt casinos. Which makes your bitcoins equivalent to the said things. It also states that paying $50K or even a dime for bitcoin is silly. That's all what this topic is about.

When someone states the fact that a particular car is engineless, it's pretty ridiculous to respond by saying: "you don't know how car works".
legendary
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Didn't click on the link.

Whatever redeemable may mean to you and whether or not Bitcoin is redeemable according to such definition, I don't care much. The point is that Bitcoin is not a failure simply for being different from the traditional. Bitcoin's main point is that it is opposite to the traditional.

If Bitcoin is a losing lottery ticket, I'd be collecting as many as I can. If it's a stock of a bankrupt company, I'd be buying as much as I can.
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Man watching the beginning of the video where it compared winning tickets to fiat/dollar, and losing tickets to Bitcoin, I already knew it was a rather stupid argument. In the first place, it was a wrong convention to have the idea of generating profits from Bitcoin as its original purpose, since it is a currency at its core. Its increasing value is simply attributed to the supply and demand since it has a limited supply and growing demand, unlike dollar which has pretty much an infinite supply (albeit controlled).
sr. member
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Totally wrong, as long as we're not put our money on futures exchange, it's far from gamble but it's just a normal investment but with more volatile market.
We won't lose anything if we bought bitcoin but just losing the value if the price is bearishing, so as long we are not sell our bitcoin, we can't be called losing instead of just have to hold longer. This will happen on all stocks investment. So this is normal, people who play futures and got liquidated is close to gambling.
legendary
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This comparison is not accurate, why is Bitcoin a non-redeemable currency? There are a lot of times that even from wallets that lost the private key, bitcoins have been recovered, also it is not difficult to recover bitcoins in case the transaction is canceled, it is not impossible at all. It is quite possible to recover bitcoins while losing some additional fees, of course.
Also, don't forget that banknotes can be non-refundable in addition to being perishable or lost or even food for mice!!!
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https://youtu.be/52DuIE1-tJY

The linked video explains the difference between traditional financial instruments and bitcoin. Traditional are redeemable, while bitcoin is not. Which makes bitcoin equivalent to a losing lottery ticket. Or, similar to a stock of a bankrupt company, a currency of a former county or a casino token of a bankrupt casino.

Hundreds of thousands of people that won the bitcoin lottery disagree with you. I agree that bitcoin is a lottery ticket but I am not sure if it is the losing lottery ticket, yet. It is simply because it is still going up. If one day btc becomes near worthless, then I would say you were right, but not now.

If you turned your 100 bucks into 200, that's a win no matter how you look at it. It doesn't matter if it was bitcoin, stocks or pet rocks that did it, it was a winning ticket.
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The OPs description alone is so absurd, there is no reason to watch the video. Such a description could only come from someone who doesn't know the first thing about Bitcoin. This is the uphill battle of educating the public. Gradually, over many years, people will stop spouting these outrageous lies and actually start to understand a little bit about what Bitcoin is and how it works. At this point every year we've got tens of millions of people at least getting a basic bitcoin education. Eventually the person who said that Bitcoin is a losing lottery ticket will start to learn as well.
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https://youtu.be/52DuIE1-tJY

The linked video explains the difference between traditional financial instruments and bitcoin. Traditional are redeemable, while bitcoin is not. Which makes bitcoin equivalent to a losing lottery ticket. Or, similar to a stock of a bankrupt company, a currency of a former county or a casino token of a bankrupt casino.

Your just comparing it on other side of it maybe you really didn't understand how bitcoin works and what people supposed to be look at it since if you just take it for invest then hoping to earn huge money in quick instance like betting on lottery then you might get it in wrong way, you will lose your bitcoin if you didn't think smart on how you use it and also you are easily affected on certain situation but if you know how to use it well then you have a chance to collect your profits on daily basis with proper strategy regarding on how to defy the volatile market.
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Which makes bitcoin equivalent to a losing lottery ticket.

I thought I had seen it all from bitcoin critics, but you outdone yourself, how can you buy bitcoin with a lottery ticket?

take $1000 buy bitcoin

take $1000 buy lottery

after 3 months see what will be with you that will allow you to take and buy things, I don't understand why people don't accept bitcoin and are making meaningless comparisons. Fiat has its purpose, lottery has its purpose and bitcoin has its purpose, everyone has their roles, there is no need to compare them
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