Topic: Vietnamese discussion on our local threads. Talk in English, self-moderated. (Read 2144 times)

I am a little surprised there are not more Vietnamese here. Is it difficult for Vietnamese to access crypto?

I am a Bitcointalk user since 2017 and I confess that I have spammed a few posts in the Vietnam topic section. I was just using Bitcointalk at the time and wasn't fully aware of my posts yet.
I am very happy that the Vietnamese theme is open again. Posts with spam content are not as numerous as they used to be. I hope the Vietnamese active on this forum have a serious investment in the posts so that the international community does not see us as spammers.
Thank for reading

xin chào anh em việt nam nhé

Saigon got a new location to get rid of your Sats 



Source: https://twitter.com/neutronpay/status/1384080379062018051

And talking about translations:

The outstanding "Bitcoin is Antifragile" article by Parker Lewis has been made available in Vietnamese.  Fur curious newcomers who are looking to understand the "value proposition" of Bitcoin better, an outstanding read.

https://news.bitcoinvn.io/bitcoin-chong-lai-su-sup-do/

It depends on the use case, but yes - agree: Jochen Hoenicke's page is another great tool to observe mempool backlog and tx fees.  For purely observing the mempool and deriving stats from it - it's ahead of mempool.space.  However: Mempool.space is also serving as Blockexplorer; in this regard it's a very useful tool (compared to the old dusty Blockexplorers like blockchain.info who haven't really done much anything the past couple of years).

I think both tools work well in complimentary manner.

As for the Vietnamese translation: I could imagine he would be up for it, but we will have to find some volunteers to help him out on that. He run's this as service to the community, so the "only" way to get a Vietnamese version is basically if sb is willing to contribute to it.

I thank you for the announcement on the language upgrade of mempool. It can help Vietnamese community. There is another alternative site to observe mempool conditions and in my opinion, that one is better.

jochen-hoenicke.de


Below is my clarification why I would prefer to use it.

Additionally, another plus point is you can hover the mouse on any point on the chart and get details.

It seems the site is from Germany so if you can, would you mind contacting the owner and ask for a Vietnamese version for it, please.

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A common good thing: 2 sites both can be connected through Tor.

Mempool.space - imho possibly the best 'all-off-the-good-stuff & none-of-the-bad-stuff' (no ads, trackers or shitcoins) Bitcoin Block Explorer -has now been also made available in Vietnamese.



(EN) https://news.bitcoinvn.io/mempool-space-available-in-vietnamese/?lang=en
(VI) https://news.bitcoinvn.io/mempool-space-ho-tro-tieng-viet/

Nice to meet you all ! I'm from VN, particularly from mmo4me

"Bitcoin at 12" by Nic Carter now also available in VNese translation:


https://news.bitcoinvn.io/bitcoin-nam-thu-12/

Bitcoin Saigon Community also got now a public Telegram Channel:


https://bitcoinsaigon.org/public-telegram-announcement-channel/

 
Direct link: https://t.me/BitcoinSaigon_public

Vietnamese language article for beginners on how to keep your coins safe:

https://news.bitcoinvn.io/khong-giu-khoa-khong-phai-coin-ban-cach-luu-tru-tien-so/


...and Vietnam made some headlines with the first Lightning ATM across Asia going into operation:

https://twitter.com/BitcoinSaigon/status/1318494380353671169

The recent Online Meetup is now on Youtube:



https://bitcoinsaigon.org/global-online-meetup-recording/

Saigon got it's first Lightning ATM in regular operation now (at the offices of future.travel near Tan Son Nhat Airport):

https://your.future.travel/post/2020/09/23/Lightning-Bitcoin-ATM-saving-you-money-on-travel

Hello I'm looking for partnerships in Vietnam. If you have a trade, skill, business or connections and are located in Vietnam please send me a message.

A Lightning ATM spotted in Saigon  



https://twitter.com/BitcoinSaigon/status/1301761061624872960/photo/1

Upcoming Global Online Meetup on 19th of Sep - Interview with Organizer Monis from the Greek Community:


https://bitcoinsaigon.org/interview-monis-organizer-global-bitcoin-meetup/

Hey Woz!

Will send you a DM - can put you in touch with the head of OTC trading at BitcoinVN; the volume can be handled easily there.

Then probably best to ask at ETH forums, if you haven't already, or even Cardano. The latter had a significant development shop in Saigon. So, they might be more aware of the local options.

Thanks. Yes I am looking for daily liquidity of at least 1 BTC and preferably more between VND and ETH (or USDC).

It's just a guess, because we don't trade there or any centralized exchange, but only Binance seems likely to get the liquidity you are implying:
https://www.binance.com/en/blog/421499824684900366/Binance-Adds-PeertoPeer-P2P-Trading-for-Vietnamese-Dong-VND-

Thanks.  I already looked at Remitano and Paxful.  They don't look viable at all in terms of volume  Are there just not enough Vietnamese interest in crypto or are they getting coins through other means?

Thank you for your words and the information. It is a challenge to build up something from scratch and there are not many reputable members from local areas on the forum. Let's see how it goes gradually.

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In Vietnam, there are a few exchanges for you but the most popular one is Remitano. It is the page for ETH trading to Vietnamese dong. ETH on Remitano. You have to go through their KYC and set up your bank account details for your Remitano account. You are only allowed to set up bank account details that match with your personal name that you use to register and verify your Remitano account. I mean you can set up 1 or multiple bank accounts as long as your names in bank account and in Remitano account matches each other.

Remitano has its disadvantage: Fees and huge gaps in sell and buy order price. Locals don't like that.

Paxful is a cool one but it does not allow to set up bank account in Paxful account.

There are a few other exchanges for you:

• https://www.bitcoinvn.io/mua?crypto=ETH
• https://vbtc.exchange/

Hi all.  I am American living in US and I have a question regarding VND.  I know the quoted post is talking about decentralized exchanges, etc.  My question is, are there any exchanges in Vietnam that a local business in Vietnam with a bank account can set up an account and trade ETH or USDC? There has to be liquidity and volume so that the trading prices are not absurd.  Thanks.

I appreciate the effort of the OP in putting this thread up to help gather bitcoin users from Vietnam here. Beyond this too, am thinking it is a good idea to have every poster on the forum to belong to a local group since charity begins at home, and then spring out to general groups and threads. This will help us all discuss ways to help spread bitcoin awareness to our various countries and it can bring about th mass adoption will seek.

Thanks for your dedicated and hard work on this!

You're small hero for these efforts on behalf of the Vietnamese Bitcoin Community! 

Nice surprise when I came watching out for the thread, since... look what've got here:

https://bitcoinsaigon.org/sats-bitcoin-merchants-directory-saigon

Wow. Much thanks and honestly said, I don't expect such thing that happens sooner than what I expected.

I am going to do my works to keep that thread as clean as possible and of course I expect Vietnamese have already learned their past (years ago) stupid activities and change, improve then show how better they are now.

A good day for Vietnamese community. Thanks!  

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From your post history, I think you are from African nation so why do you join here? Did you mistakenly post it here? 

I re-opened the original thread. Please report any spam or abuse that's going on in there if it happens again.

Hello greets to everyone
I'm George john
Am new here,I just want to learn basic things in btc,
Please I really need someone direction

Do you mean that they need to be prosecuted or otherwise harmed, before they have a reason to move from the exchanges you listed?
Is being scammed or knowing they can be scammed as others have been, not enough reasons to look for a safer way?

Why did you learn all you know about it here, if you also had no reason to learn it, and could have just ignored it as they do?

People need to have somewhat obligatory law enforcements to move to decentralized exchanges. They need to have reasons to spend their decent time to learn and practice using decentralized exchanges.

I know many locals even don't know what is txhash of their bitcoin transactions and they don't know how to check temporary status of bitcoin network, estimated fees. Consequently, they easily go to panic whenever bitcoin network is crowded with more transactions and fees are high, thousands of waiting, unconfirmed transactions.

These are common lack of knowledge.
I learned a lot here, technically and it is why.

Thanks, for the comprehensive answer; it's consistent with our experience in other markets; the general ignorance worldwide regarding such matters is very high, and will come back to haunt the ignorant once local governments collect enough data to use against them ex post facto.
10,000 early users of Coinbase can testify to that.

Why and how did you conclude that it was worth a decent amount of your time to learn about these issues on the forum?

There are some root causes I can see from the side of locals:

• Do neither care about centralization or decentralization: What they need is a good exchange with good volume, good chances to get profits from investment or tradings. Centralized or decentralized exchanges are not matter with them.
• Don't care about their privacy: with KYC requirements and such.
• Privacy is not a big matter with them.
• Local laws do not strickly restrict bitcoin and cryptocurrency
• Don't care to learn and use non-custodial wallets (I used to be like them because there is no sites in local have articles on such important things for bitcoin storage and usages. I would have not know about it too if I don't spent decent time to learn on the forum)

To sum up, the local target customer population don't care too much about technical things, privacy, etc. and they tend to choose to use biggest exchanges. With such customer population, you are facing a big problem to ask them install applications as very begining steps.

Trading through a web browser means using a web server, which would centralize Bisq in that server.
So, that would defeat the purposes why Bisq was created.

However, what you mean already exists at:
https://hodlhodl.com/

Why do you think the VND market makers avoid creating liquidity there also?

you should try Bisq first before you are coming to a final conclusion and see for yourself if you actually like it or not.

it is a true DEX, has TOR inbuilt, and is better than trading in a browser. no malicious little plugins, no phoning home, sneaky ref links or other hidden shit.
it is basically an all-in-one trading software (unlike just any other mobile crypto app).

there were some ideas to start local market-making activities for the VND/BTC market and test the face 2 face feature (localbitcoins style).
but then global health problems put things back in the box of cool ideas...  

it could be a cool thing to test more in the community i would say.

Bisq Q2 2020 Update Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_QjrhU3hrc

I don't trade on Bisq (actually I heard of it) and after reading your post, I visit the website and found that Bisq is for app trading only (please correct me if I am wrong at this point). Bisq will be great if people can trade it directly on web brower, and if Tor is allowed it will be more convenient for guys who take care of privacy.

Personally, I don't like to trade on an exchange that does not provide trading on web browser. In the past, I used to trade on Crypto Bridge exchange which is a cool one but eventually their team did an awful scam exit.

About Bisq
There are good points:

• No Identity Verification: (I am not sure how long will it last). Many exchanges claim to be non-KYC but gradually they force users to do KYC.
• Decentralized: It is a good feature for tech gurus only.

Likely not good points:

• Decentralized: It is inconvenient for non-tech guys who don't know how to setup and operate Bisq on their devices.
• Mandatory installation of Bisq's app: I don't like it and I would prefer to use platforms that are available for web browsers as well as try to trade on applications and mobile devices.

Thanks.
Given your answer, why then don't the VND market makers at those exchanges create liquidity at Bisq exchange?
It is decentralized and non-custodial, and has been available for years.

There is no decentralized and non-custodial exchanges to directly trade BTC to VND, as far as I know of. It is already difficult to find truly decentralized exchanges so that having one at least to trade BTC to local fiat is zero.

Fortunately, there are some exchanges (or also called as P2P - peer-to-peer marketplaces) that you can check and use after your investigations.

• Paxful.com (P2P) *
• Remitano.com
• Binance.com (P2P)
• LocalBitcoins.com (P2P)
• Kucoin.com (OTC)

*: See

• Emerging Markets Drive Paxful First Half 2020 Bitcoin Volume to $1.1 Billion
• LocalBitcoins and Paxful Vietnamese dong (VND) Combined Volume

All in all, they are not decentralized and not non-custodial so that you can not have full control of your Bitcoin wallets and your funds. Your funds are on the hands of exchange/ marketplace owners and this is a big risks. They can scam you or whatever to steal your funds.

BTW, it is wisely to avoid storing your funds in BTC or whatever crypto on exchanges or marketplaces. What you should do to be your own bank and to be safe is:

• Storing your funds in non-custodial wallets, back it up in multiple places, under multiple formats. Testing your backups to make sure you back it up completely correct, without typos.
• Only send your funds to exchanges/ markeplaces to cash out and withdraw as instantly as possible.

Which decentralized, non-custodial exchanges are used by Vietnamese to trade BTC<>VND online?

Welcome back to the forum, shibob. 

I have never give up since the day I joined the forum. Merit system has not yet eaten me up and the thread is another effort of mine to contribute to the Vietnamese local community. I do hope that when time goes on, the thread will be able to collect more good Vietnamese users or at least users who have been working or living in Vietnam (even they are foreigners). There is no green light for something seriously can be changed in short term and even in the long run honestly. BUT don't give up please.
Thank you for informing us about the article on Bitcoinvn.io.

Ray Dillingers (one of the earliest Bitcoin contributors) outstanding essay on Bitcoin's special status now available in Vietnamese:

https://news.bitcoinvn.io/bitcoin-neu-toi-biet-nhung-gi-chung-ta-da-bat-dau/

Awesome, at least there is a guy who does not feel disappointed and give a try.

We guys have many channels to communicate locally, but bitcointalk still likes one of the best place to share the knowledge, learn and have friends. For us, we should have a board, yes, but it should be in Vietnamese, I think the bitcointalk management board should have responsibility on it if they feel bitcointalk is for people, for community.

We invite VND traders and Vietnam bitcoiners to try Bisq - the non-custodial, most decentralized and private Bitcoin to fiat and altcoins exchange!

To learn and get started:
https://bisq.network/getting-started/

The app UI can be switched to Tieng Viet in  Settings, but the translation need updating.
If you want to help update the translation and get compensated by the Bisq DAO, check in at keybase or other Bisq forums for latest instructions:
https://keybase.io/team/bisq

https://docs.bisq.network/#contributor-docs

you may also add the thread for bitcoin meetups in vietnam: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vietnam-bitcoin-meetups-5146567

I have some collective things for Vietnamese Bitcoin enthusiasts:

• VBTC.exchange
• Bitcoinvn.io (exchange)
• Cash2vn.com (sending cash to Vietnam via cryptocurrency, and get balance in Vietnamese dong. Some crypto are accepted: BTC, BCH, LTC, ETH, and DASH and maybe stable coins in 2020)
• BitcoinVN BTM

The latest BTM, and the first one in Tan Binh district, at the location is very close to the Tan Son Nhat internation airport.

Hugo Nguyen has been looking to build up some type of library of fundamental Bitcoin texts (stuff like Satoshi, Szabo etc.) under "Nakamotovillage".

Progress a bit slow there, but if you got any good stuff ready - might also be able to get it reshared there.

A friendly bump to this topic. I have the intention to translate some useful, quality topics into Vietnamese but couldn't find an appropriate place to post. Really need a local board.

I'm almost half way to your 100-merit requirement.

Are there any Vietnamese artists want to sell such portrait paintings like that service?
Re: [SERVICE]Charcoal and Graphite Portrait Drawings! | BTC Accepted

As being written in OP, the odds to see the Vietnamese local threads will be allowed again is extremely low but don't give up.

I wish that we can work together, and demonstrate that there are good members from Vietnam, and rebuild the general reputation of the Vietnamese community, we can achieve something in the far future (I guess it will take months or even years), not soon for sure. If you believe in Bitcoin, and know the fact that the forum is the biggest bitcoin forum, and have plan to be here for coming years, today is a good day to start doing something meaningful.

We need concrete attitude and plans to rebuild it as well as to protect it from potential damages from bad guys in the future (if our local threads(s) will be allowed).

Today I just learned about topic about my country. Unfortunately it was locked. I hope there will be a new topic opened for my country.
Ty girl )

Exactly, taking into consideration how many members on Bitcointalk are from Vietnam maybe they deserve to have their own local board again.

I know that there were problems in the past and Vietnamese local section was closed because of too many problems they caused but still, I think that a good moderator and a few good members could be enough to keep this board clean from scams and correct with the forum rules.


I think this is a great way to at least do the first move to separate the bad from good and sift the spoiled grain.

Of course, a lot more work will be needed and that is why I think that a local board for Vietnam could be something good because people get to know each other a lot better when talking in their own language and they could be the best source of information about scammers and rules abusers between people from Vietnam.

I am happy to see that @Tranthidung is trying to do something about this. Good luck and I will keep my fingers crossed.

on other forums like bitcoingarden you may be able to post in vietnamese.
you could also try to run your own reddit.

Did you get reply from him? What sort of answer you received? If there is no answer or the answer is "Not allow", please delete it. If you don't do this, I will do it because it breaks the local rule of the thread. Thank you and sorry for inconvenience.

Well, I was asked to make a Vietnamese translation, I thought I should post it here, but it's something to worry about anyway. I think I should keep this translation here a bit more, I'll text him to ask about this. I will take further action immediately after receiving a response from him. Thanks for your reminder 

I am sure Vietnamese are huge and actively on the forum but to say we have a healthy community on the forum, I don't think so. It is why the old Vietnamese local thread was locked.
Keep up your good works, newbies are welcome here, by the admin and the community, including me, sure.
Sometimes I am, sometimes I am not. I am bisexual. 

I was looking around for a Vietnamese local board or thread for while now and finally I found it. It is a little bit weird we use English in a thread full of Vietnamese but it is fine and somewhat help reduce spam. It is time to show that Vietnam has a huge, active and healthy cryptocurrency community.

I am still new with this forum so I barely can help you with any candidate for your good users list. However I believe someday I will name myself on that list.

P.S: Are you a girl? .

You made a good translation, ChuckBuck. I wonder that post breaks what hilariousandco warned or not.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vit-vietnamese-60101
Honestly, I don't know what he implied with the word 'here'. That thread was locked by him so no one can post in that thread. Did he imply that it is the other languages/ locations board?

It is unclear but I think you should delete the above post.

This topic will be crossed out, I will temporarily treat it as a removed topic, I will delete it in the future if necessary.

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The Vietnamese translation of 💰Fundraising campaign-Feed the one who are affected by the COVID-19 🦠Pandemic have been moved to another forum to avoid unnecessary trouble. Due to a ban that has been happening in 2017 for the Vietnamese community, I will not keep any Vietnamese posts on this forum from today.

AFAIK, it happened over the whole forum when people got crazy with bitcoin and many scam projects, ICOs. Bounty hunters got crazy with their spams. I don't know during that period, the Vietnamese local thread is the most terrible spam place or not but the fact is it was locked. Maybe there were more spam boards but they have local moderators to handle it that we did not have for our local thread.
In general, it happened with the forum when some prestigious users left the forum that forced theymos (somewhat) to create the merit system that works well to keep the forum cleaner.
Thank you for information on hugohanoi, that kind of looks like knowledgeable crypto enthusiast.
Helpful links too.

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Generally, by now, I can see a fact that there are not much valuable members from Vietnam. Maybe they have been inactively, left the forum or have not yet seen my thread. Let's wait for a while.

Good initiative; maybe a way to gather a couple of more serious local folks who understand what this Bitcoin thing is about.

Found it easier back in the old day (2013'ish) to connect with the "old guard"; back at that time people in Bitcoin were generally much more driven by ideals. Lots of the guys from the old days retired by now, keeping a low profile and not much involved anymore publicly. Good on them!

Since 2017 the (visible) local scene here in Vietnam unfortunately has become total dogshit, a pure cesspool. Everybody playing the China-style get rich quick schemes; launching bullshit token scams and generally it feels it has become a gathering place for low-ethics hustler scum of society... - which certainly makes many of the decent local people stay away from it; rightfully so.

Unfortunately in the (active) local scene there is at this point in time not anybody I could vouch for without reservations, but maybe they are also all just in hiding/lurking mode because they don't want to associate with the local crypto-scammer folks and dont know where else to turn to.

Therefore... - would be happy if this thread helps to find a few more local folks who are interested in Bitcoin beyond seeing it just as a way to "quick riches" and screwing over your fellow people in the process as manyfold & fast as possible.

Beyond that:

Not sure if he's on Bitcointalk, but Hugohanoi certainly one of the few Bitcoin folks of Vietnamese descent who provide very valuable contributions to the scene.

Otherwise the local Bitcoin-focused communities in Saigon, Da Nang, Vung Tau and Hanoi seem to do a decent job, but are unfortunately very Expat-skewed when it comes to the attendance rate.

 

good attempt and hopefully a way to show that there are some good guys around who speak Vietnamese.
i will share this thread with my friends who speak the language to help you out. cheers!

Hi,

I am from Vietnam. Nice to meet you here.

• I am thankful to anyone from Vietnam who read the thread, that is written in English. I am sorry for the inconvenience because we can't discuss in Vietnamese, our mother tongue, for now. I will give you reasons later.
• Let's talk about rules in my thread.
• Please don't spam, and obey my local rules as well as forum rules. Stick with rules. I said please.

Local rules of the thread

• All posts in the thread must be written in English to be eligible.
• Spam, zero-value, troll posts will be deleted by me. I may or maynot report such 'bad' posts to moderators.
• The thread is opened for everyone because there are good users no matter which ranks they are currently staying at.
• I reserve any rights to delete your posts or lock the thread whenever I want.
• Candidates of good Vietnamese users will be applied via following form (at the bottom of the thread). Applications will only be accepted (by me) if applicants satisfy three criteria:
  
  • Have earned 100 merits and above
  • Surpassing my investigation on your quality
  • No restrictions on ranks
  
  
  

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  Table of contents
  
  • Local rules of the thread
  • Vietnamese local thread's history
  • When and why the Vietnamese local thread was locked ?
  • Why I open the thread ?
  • Odds to see Vietnamese local threads will be re-allowed
  • Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
  • A welcome message from theymos
  • Table of potential good Vietnamese users
  • Application form

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  Contents
  
  Vietnamese local thread's history
  The Vietnamese local thread was created on January 18, 2012, at Việt (Vietnamese), by baby_ghost. It is one of the earliest born local threads according to History of local boards
  
  When and why the Vietnamese local thread was locked ?
  When?
  The local thread was locked on November 08, 2017, by hilariousandco.
  
  Why?
  Due to constant abuse according to the last message by a global moderator, who locked it. The message is below.
  
  Quote from: ?? on ??
  Locked due to constant abuse. This is why we can't have nice things. Anyone creating Vietnamese threads outside of here will be banned.
  
  
  Why I open the thread ?
  As I stated in local rules of the thread, I believe there are good people in any nations, any locations and at any forum ranks. I started here from zero, and now I have nearly reached the Legendary rank. I earned my 1304 merits from my contributions to the forum. I strongly believe that if you are good users, you can do the same like me. Starting from zero, and become Hero, then Legendary.
  
  On the other hand, I also believe that don't have a local thread or a local board for our Vietnamese is a kind of disadvantage for all of us, especially newbies. Newbies mostly struggle with their beginnings on the forum as I used to. So I want to help.
  
  But we have to do it together. The reasons of lock is abuse, massive and constant abuse. Honestly, over my time on the forum so far I have not yet seen significant contributions of Vietnamese users to the forum. I could be wrong sure because I probably don't know valuable Vietnamese users. It is one of reasons I made the thread.
  
  Odds to see Vietnamese local threads will be re-allowed
  The odds to get acceptance from the head admin, theymos to re-allow Vietnamese threads is extremely low. But as always don't give up. Let's change our destiny, begin with our contributions, not abuses. Let's change the way you use the forum first and see what will happen next months or even years. Please don't expect any changes instantly, it won't be changed in a blink of eyes.
  
  Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
  Now, let's spend your time to read or re-read forum rules. If you are newbies, you must do it.
  
  • Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
  
  A welcome message from theymos
  Next, please read a welcome message delievered by theymos: Writing a welcome message.
  After reading it, you will understand the forum give you all warm welcome, from learning knowledge to getting income. Most important point I want to emphasize from the admin's message is you have to obey forum rules, contribute first, grow up, before thinking of getting income. It is the right way for you to use the forum. Having some sort of jobs on the forum is privilege, not rights.
  
  Table of potential good Vietnamese users
  Let's start off the table by my self-description and my contributions.
  
  • I joined the forum on November 08, 2017
  • My contributions: you can see them here and have your own assessments on what I have contributed.
  
  If the table can not be expanded well with good users, the odds for us is zero.
  
  Table format is under construction.
  
  Application form
  The form is under construction.(no need to hurry, you need time to think of what you will write here).

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Let's discuss first, but as being said, please say nice words, in English. If you don't have nice words to say, please ignore my thread.

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Some good topics/ sites for Vietnamese:

• Vietnamese Exchange BitcoinVN Is Seeking Investors For 12 New Bitcoin ATMs
• Vietnam - Bitcoin Meetups