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Topic: Viewing unedited posts and deleted posts, view per post, per user or per topic - page 3. (Read 8800 times)

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

Quote from: LoyceV on April 13, 2021, 06:05:14 AM

My renewed scraper is now running.

I'm still missing some posts:

Code:

directory: numberofposts
5670: 9995
5671: 9979
5672: 9774
5673: 9703
5674: 9553
5675: 9710
5676: 9979
5677: 9979
5678: 9978
5679: 9977

It was at it's worst around the time nullius posted it about.

I checked which posts are missing in directory 5679:

Code:

I conpared those to Ninjastic Space. The following posts are made by a spambot:

Code:

Those posts get deleted very fast by MindlessElectron, and I don't want to scrape posts more frequently just to archive more spam.

All but one of the remaining posts are missing on Ninjastic Space too. I assume TryNinja must have missed some of the spam too. And some of the posts may still exist on hidden boards.
That leaves one missing post that concerns me:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56796059 (https://ninjastic.space/post/56796059).
I don't know why it's missing. It just skips in my log file:

Code:

Downloading recent.html (Fri Apr 16 16:09:19 CEST 2021)
1. userID: 1195270 - username: Arsalan1996 - msgID: 56796058
2. userID: 2857057 - username: Arfat515 - msgID: 56796057

Downloading recent.html (Fri Apr 16 16:09:25 CEST 2021)

Downloading recent.html (Fri Apr 16 16:09:31 CEST 2021)

Downloading recent.html (Fri Apr 16 16:09:37 CEST 2021)

Downloading recent.html (Fri Apr 16 16:09:43 CEST 2021)
1. userID: 1107844 - username: amishmanish - msgID: 56796061
2. userID: 3121272 - username: 7up 888 - msgID: 56796060

To troubleshoot, I'm now saving every downloaded version of recent. I'll check again for missing posts in a few days.

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 13, 2021, 06:05:14 AM

I ~~won't~~ still need to create hashes for the older posts.

My oldposts archive has 100 posts per page, and 1000 pages per directory. I created SHA-256 hashes for all pages, and placed one file in each directory. Each sha-256.txt file covers (up to) 100,000 posts.
I'll post a link to each sha-256.txt file here, and add a SHA-256 hash for that file. As long as I don't edit this post, it proves I haven't edited any of those files later on.

Here's the list:
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I ~~won't~~ still need to create hashes for the older posts.

I noticed the order is a bit messy. For example:

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0f592cb558dc4b51c8fc6c324a6f3ed591eb54f10e18075913776cd46efca1a9 https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5677/56779992.html
6533569f144a17905839d72a07543850a7205b4a6d411559f846d9e05986bb68 https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5677/56779991.html
0d925885e5861b4050b728b77aa12ea88b1a18205530ec11f192350db28acb07 https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5677/56779994.html
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359e362e4f7a7b674c68657eced72829a588c25e72f522ebb23dad4cc07b8c14 https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5677/56779995.html
5e01b5cfba6d20ee2599e493cc0c1e65ed11370bb24e93f2e19250388bc01e17 https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5677/56779997.html
00b8375c32fd377fab60e6c9604457690413627125ef7f4fdfdeff44cb85a615 https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5677/56779999.html
58d5b3c723f3ae955b3f0e2412af5cc5384948da53fbc2996e363866701c0aa5 https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5677/56779998.html

If there's more than one new post, I scrape the latest first. Hence the order "0 3 2 1 4 6 5 7 9 8".

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Quote from: nullius on April 11, 2021, 07:53:46 PM

Quote from: https://petertodd.org/2017/carbon-dating-the-internet-archive-with-opentimestamps

How OpenTimestamps 'Carbon Dated' (almost) The Entire Internet With One Bitcoin Transaction
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OpenTimestamps helps answer that question by cryptographically proving data existed in the past, long before an attacker would have had an opportunity or reason to forge or modify that data.

I like the idea, but (at least at the moment) don't want to spend the time to implement this. I don't really like the idea of having to connect to an external server 50,000 times per week, and I also don't like to install unknown software.

I'm going to rewrite the basics of my scraper (it's my typical addition upon addition structure), and after that sha256sum each archive to one file per directory (up to 10,000 files). Then I'll leave it to the viewer to archive those checksums at any moment.
I realize someone could claim I can use Apache2 logs to see if anyone has accessed that file, and thus know whether or not I can tamper with data without evidence. If anyone doesn't trust me with this, feel free to archive those files as often as you want.
On second thought: I could use OpenTimestamp on those checksum-files, which would only need to be done 5 times a week. I'll see if I have time

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on April 11, 2021, 08:12:41 PM

This is correct. When I use LoyceMobile to notify myself, I have to wait a few seconds before deleting it or it might not show up.

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Quote from: nullius on April 10, 2021, 05:32:35 AM

The below-quoted post is an instance of nutildah telling a clear-cut, easily provable lie couched in the form of a rhetorical question, and using that lie to smear my reputation.

The post is missing from Loyce.Club: Archive of Loyce.Club 404 error, archive of Loyce.Club topic list which does not show this post. The post is available from Ninjastic.Space (archive of Ninjastic archive of post; archive of Ninjastic archive of the topic). I have not (yet?) collated the list with other available records to ascertain if any other posts are missing.

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For the record: I did not delete any of ibminer’s posts from that topic. I was manually fending off an apparent spambot attack by suchmoon, who reposted identical content 21 times within 2 hours; she sometimes reposted within seconds after I deleted it, so I rather doubt that that was done manually. <>

Now, I must ask: What happened to post ID 56749635 in the Loyce.Club archive? Was it eaten by a bug, or was that post intentionally excluded for some reason? —If this is a bug, how many other posts may be affected?
<>

Loyce's bot will parse the forum's recent posts page only so often. If a post is deleted, my presumption is that the post will be removed from the recent posts page. This means if you delete a post shortly after a post is made, there is a chance anyone scraping forum posts will miss it.

As a FYI, I created a bot that can moderate your self moderated thread(s) based on who is posting in your thread. The code was written to be used with Chrome, but I believe it can be modified to be used with Tor, if that is what you wanted.

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 10, 2021, 02:19:39 PM

Quote from: nullius on April 10, 2021, 05:32:35 AM

Now, I must ask: What happened to post ID 56749635 in the Loyce.Club archive? Was it eaten by a bug, or was that post intentionally excluded for some reason?

I can assure you this is unintentional. Any censoring I've done, is highlighted in this topic, and in those cases I've edited my archive instead of removing it.

[...data...]

Quote from: LoyceV on April 10, 2021, 02:20:01 PM

[...more data...]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Such attentiveness to archival integrity is encouraging, as is your willingness to answer such questions with data.

Quote from: LoyceV on April 10, 2021, 02:19:39 PM

It looks like AWS couldn't download files for a few minutes, [...]

Well, it seems that Jeffy-boy can’t afford a good computer. I think that if he likes to eat, he will soon need to make his little shop accept Bitcoin. Cheesy

Diverging from my prior question, and not thereto relevant—whilst I am on this topic, I have a general suggestion that will surprise nobody.

Cryptographic timestamps would not assure the completeness of your archive, and would not guarantee the authenticity of archived posts. However, that would assure that items in your archive are not modified after you first store them—not by you, and not by any malicious hackers who may potentially compromise your server.

It is quite feasible! Peter Todd, the creator of OpenTimestamps, timestamped the whole Internet Archive (!) without expending too many resources:

Quote from: https://petertodd.org/2017/carbon-dating-the-internet-archive-with-opentimestamps

How OpenTimestamps 'Carbon Dated' (almost) The Entire Internet With One Bitcoin Transaction

Peter Todd
May 25, 2017

[...]

But is that copy the right copy?

OpenTimestamps helps answer that question by cryptographically proving data existed in the past, long before an attacker would have had an opportunity or reason to forge or modify that data.

The OpenTimestamps team has timestamped every item in the Internet Archive - about 750,000,000 files in total...

[...]

The Internet Archive collection is massive, dozens of petabytes in size. It’s so big that when Wayback Machine Director Mark Graham learned that we had timestamped the Internet Archive, he sent me an email asking:

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How are you able to do anything with “all” of the Internet Archive? :-)

But beware the evidentiary limitations. The article briefly explains what OTS can and cannot prove; Peter Todd’s original announcement of OTS explains better.

Quote from: https://petertodd.org/2016/opentimestamps-announcement#evidence-authenticity

Evidence Authenticity

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I found a two-year-old snapshot of the defendant’s website on a public archiving service, but is it authentic?

A timestamp on a website snapshot doesn’t necessarily mean the snapshot is authentic, but it does greatly limit the scope of who might have tampered with the data. How likely is it that someone hacked into the archiving service, well before they knew there would be a lawsuit?

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I run a website archiving service, but I don’t have the resources to hire auditors or security consultants. How can I prove our archives haven’t been modified after the fact?

Simple answer: timestamps only make your problem better, not worse!

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Quote from: nullius on April 10, 2021, 05:32:35 AM

Now, I must ask: What happened to post ID 56749635 in the Loyce.Club archive? Was it eaten by a bug, or was that post intentionally excluded for some reason?

I can assure you this is unintentional. Any censoring I've done, is highlighted in this topic, and in those cases I've edited my archive instead of removing it.
It looks like AWS couldn't download files for a few minutes, I'm missing 19 posts around that time:

Code:

-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 1424 Apr 10 06:22 56749610.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 964 Apr 10 06:22 56749611.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 3594 Apr 10 06:22 56749612.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 750 Apr 10 06:22 56749613.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 881 Apr 10 06:22 56749614.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 1426 Apr 10 06:22 56749615.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 2751 Apr 10 06:22 56749616.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 2949 Apr 10 06:22 56749617.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 933 Apr 10 06:22 56749618.html

-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 895 Apr 10 06:27 56749637.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 671 Apr 10 06:27 56749638.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 903 Apr 10 06:27 56749639.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 1219 Apr 10 06:27 56749640.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 928 Apr 10 06:27 56749641.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 918 Apr 10 06:27 56749642.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 911 Apr 10 06:27 56749643.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 691 Apr 10 06:27 56749644.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 914 Apr 10 06:27 56749645.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 525 Apr 10 06:27 56749646.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 672 Apr 10 06:27 56749647.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 6804 Apr 10 06:27 56749648.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 899 Apr 10 06:27 56749649.html
-rw-rw-r-- 1 loyce loyce 873 Apr 10 06:27 56749650.html

I don't have a redundant setup, so I'm glad TryNinja archives the posts I missed. It doesn't happen often though:

Quote from: LoyceV on September 03, 2019, 02:44:04 AM

I just checked loyce.club/archive/posts/5233/: it shows 9994 files. That means my scraper missed 6 posts, or 0.06%.
This might have been caused by burst posting (faster than my scraper can handle), or those 6 posts could be in Investigation or some other hidden board that normal users can't access.

Quote from: nullius on April 10, 2021, 05:32:35 AM

If this is a bug, how many other posts may be affected?

I can't tell exactly, I don't archive posts in Investigations and hidden (Mod/VIP) boards.
Starting at post 54000000, I don't have those archived:

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That's 0.17%, and I'm mostly missing the newer posts. Since April 6, I have multiple "leftover" tmp-files per day, which indicates something failed. I was never completely satisfied with the way my script handles scraping, but now it's just terrible. If the kids let me, I'll try to find the cause tomorrow.

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Either way, it is an important question. Many forum users rely on the Loyce.Club archive for evidence of facts in controversy.

I've considered setting up a second VPS, but don't want to double my load on Bitcointalk. Setting it up to only start scraping if my regular archiving fails would solve this, but considering the few posts I missed, I never created this.

Thanks for pointing this out!

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Nullius - you deleted 23 of ibminers posts? (I know the last 2 are mine).

You've decided to turn right into cryptohunter, apparently.

Your first posts on the forum provided an injection of knowledge relevant to the main subjects of the forum, but then you became completely obsessed with starting witch hunts against everybody who had crossed you in the past.

What happened?

For the record: I did not delete any of ibminer’s posts from that topic. I was manually fending off an apparent spambot attack by suchmoon, who reposted identical content 21 times within 2 hours; she sometimes reposted within seconds after I deleted it, so I rather doubt that that was done manually. In another topic that nutildah follows, I was contemporaneously counting deletions. The count of identical posts can be easily verified in the Ninjastic topic archive: Ctrl-F for the phrase, "Awww, nullius has been triggered" (my browser says “1 of 21 matches”). nutildah posted the above right after suchmoon stopped using spammer tactics to attempt forcing her post; either nutildah must have been high as a kite to make the above accusation, or he must have been intentionally lying. Of course, I myself deleted nutildah’s post; but I never want for such evidence to be memory-holed.

Now, I must ask: What happened to post ID 56749635 in the Loyce.Club archive? Was it eaten by a bug, or was that post intentionally excluded for some reason? —If this is a bug, how many other posts may be affected?

Either way, it is an important question. Many forum users rely on the Loyce.Club archive for evidence of facts in controversy.

Quote from: LoyceV on July 21, 2019, 12:08:59 PM

Ever wanted to see who's lying when a post has been edited or deleted? I may be able to help!

Aside: When I use self-mod powers to delete posts, I habitually save quotes of them. If you play stupid games, then you will win stupid prizes.

Edit: Archive of this post.

LoyceV

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More censoring:
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5577/55778296.html

LoyceV

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 07, 2020, 02:27:12 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on April 08, 2020, 07:12:49 AM

Well, that's a first: I censored data

I censored 2 posts because of accidental doxing (and quoting this):
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I'm just posting it here for full disclosure.

I've censored 3 more posts for doxing:
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5558/55580095.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5558/55580137.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5558/55580345.html

Not cool Sad

GazetaBitcoin

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Oh I see now, thank you for the explanation. Everything's clear.

LoyceV

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 12, 2020, 04:00:12 AM

That's the expected result

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So I wasn't redirected to the long list of directory names.

It's currently not possible because I placed the search form in index.html in that directory.

GazetaBitcoin

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Uhm... I tried today to enter a truncated user ID in the new search form and it didn't work... I chose an ID and I selected only first four digits (out of 8 or how many they were) and the result was someone else: the user which had the ID made from those exactly 4 digits... So I wasn't redirected to the long list of directory names. I don't know how you got there, but this is what happened on my side... Huh

LoyceV

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on October 12, 2020, 01:34:02 AM

Considering the change, LoyceV, do you think this part of the OP should be updated too? I'm asking because the old way of searching is not working anymore.

The old description still works too, but I should update it anyway. I was waiting until I'm done with some other updates.

I do miss the long list of directory names for instance, so I should add that again to easily find the latest post.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 09, 2020, 04:54:10 AM

Bump!
New: Search Tool Cheesy

Hello LoyceV and bitmover!

This is a huge change for a better user friendliness of the site as a whole and of the search for deleted/edited posts in particular. Great job! I have to say that the old way of searching for posts, topics and user IDs was a bit difficult for the users which did not have too much experience in computers, thus this update is very helpful. Not just for the users with limited experience, but also for the experienced ones, as the new interface makes things way more simpler and faster.

Considering the change, LoyceV, do you think this part of the OP should be updated too? I'm asking because the old way of searching is not working anymore. Now you have to insert the full number of message ID/topic ID/user ID.

Quote from: LoyceV on July 21, 2019, 12:08:59 PM

How to use it

Find the msgID, userID or topicID you need. Let's use msgID 51902990.
Remove the last 4 digits from the msgID to get the directory name (if there are 4 or less digits, use 0): 5190.
Put everything together behind the (above) URL and add ".html": http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5190/51902990.html.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 11, 2020, 05:01:43 AM

How exactly are you processing the data?

I have the data already (example), but it's not the most convenient format to create a list by userID and topicID. I have 12 (15? GB compressed files, it's too much to extract them all at once, and I still don't use a database. It'll work, but it takes a while. That's okay, because this is a one-time thing.

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Do you have a vps opened 24/7 that tries to find all posts?

Yes, I use recent posts to get new posts.
It's currently out of CPU credits, so it got like 10 times slower.

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Like saving for every x,y: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=X.msgY

For the older posts, I downloaded all topics. There's no need to download post by post, each page has up to 20 posts.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 11, 2020, 04:24:32 AM

It's not really a bug but I'll fix it anyway: the members lists only include users who posted since I started this thread (in July last year). Satoshi's posts are part of my "oldposts" archive, which can be found by searching for older msgIDs, but not yet by topicID or userID. I'm working on adding this, but processing the data it's going to take a while.

How exactly are you processing the data? Do you have a vps opened 24/7 that tries to find all posts?

Like saving for every x,y: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=X.msgY

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on October 11, 2020, 02:50:55 AM

I would just like to report a bug, once I search for satoshi it returns me error 404. On other members it works fine.