Topic: VIP Member "goat" abusing trust rating system - page 3. (Read 6199 times)

It's a little silly:  I go out of my way to avoid engaging trades with sketchy people because I don't want to enable this kind of reputation-extortion. The net result is that there are relatively few ratings of me in the trust system, although practically all of you are running software I wrote (both in Bitcoin, as well as in Firefox and Google Chrome, and probably dozens of other programs), using cryptographic constructs I invented, etc.

Kinda interesting how fast people noticed! Three people have contacted me over it already— (sadly two asked me if they should be "worried" ... uh, people why are you asking ME this!)

Pretty well detailed description in the feedback he left.

BadBear removed Goat from his trust list at some point (not sure when), so he's not part of the default trust network anymore.

Looks like I'm goat's latest victim.

No big deal, I owed him a negative trust rating in any case— him rating me just reminded me to put it in and removed the disincentive of wanting to avoid attracting his attention.

Newbies are in DefaultTrust. Those who learn about the system will remove it and put in their own Trust if they choose. I did one deal whereby John K was my escrow and now my Trust looks, expectedly, like DefaultTrust (with Goat in there, no surprise). You'll learn sooner or later that if these folks are marking scam, they have reason to do so, till they don't. In this case a simple PM resolved it, but some people still want to make a mountain of a molehill.

yet another case of the squeaky wheel getting the oil.

well done to the op, it's always worth complaining

It's gotta be that one, because whiskers must research things before posting them.  I'm assuming that based off of him getting all worked up over the people who didn't look up anything about avatars.

Do you really want to know, or are you just being cute?

The trust system is entirely public, you can tell exactly why goat is on the default list. There have even been threads about it.

Then why the **** is he in the depth of DefaultTrust?

Lol, I think you should chose another coin to back. You'd be better off buying Bitcoin and hoping that the price will skyrocet again in the future.

Yes, I know about that. That's the uniqueness of it. Every fan of it can buy like 2000 of them for $1

Also, the positive thing is, it is attracting loads and loads of attention of kids, teenagers, meme lovers and common-men to crypto which actually is a good news for bitcoin, since it is the king of all crypto anyways - if you can see from a broader perspective.

I hold 2-3 million of them, so even if it gets to 10 cents each, my life is changed, you know.

Thanks for that Goat!

I was shocked to see that neg rep coming from you, since I respect you for the work you do to get the word out for BTC.

You know not everyone was lucky enough to get on early on BTC and LTC.

For many guys out there this coin is the next big hope including me. No other coin in history of cryptos has seen such virality, media coverage plus getting on 4 major exchanges in first 2 weeks of launch.

I was mad-angry on you, I have to admit it.

Good to see your other, side though   you proved everyone wrong

I don't think it would be that hard to implement, nor does it have to involve staff. Just both users have to agree to a trade by checking a box or clicking a link etc before any feedback can be left.

So OP didn't PM you before posting here?  Love when people get on the soapbox before trying to resolve the issue the right way.

That would be hard to do. Being able to define when someone has done a trade would have to be done manually. Which would require the staff to do a lot of work. That also requires hiring a lot more staff. Even then you have staff which will be involved in a private trade. Which a lot of people will not agree to as a lot like their privacy.

It's the persons responsibility to search up the person who has left negative trust. You wouldn't trust a random person on the street so why would you on the internet. You would want to ask questions and research. The trust system is a guideline. Makes it easier to contact those who left bad feedback for the particular person. Granted some people do see the trust system as a end all system. As soon as they see "Trade with caution" they immediately assume they are a scammer. But, people have been proven to be irrational and there is no fix for that. None of them will show up? You can enable this on your profile to show untrusted ratings by default.

No you can't. But, this site isn't just a trading site like ebay. If someone is acting suspicious then people can state that in the trust section. Remember trading is a very small part of the forum. People mainly come here to find out information and discuss. I would say a big part of the forum too is seeing what the world thinks about Bitcoin.

I would also like to state that if you allowed only to give feedback/trust when you have traded with someone it would be blocking others giving trust for people posting malicious links, websites and other suspicious activities.

That's why I added "relatively small transactions", I personally don't use it, not here nor in other forums.
It's a nice thing to have, like indicators, but nobody should trust it without additional research as you said

Maybe you can only leave trust after both parties have agreed to do a deal. It's silly being able to leave trust for anyone anytime. Can you go on ebay and leave everybody negative feedback without even trading with them?

The system is also flawed because a newb can scam a load of other newbs and the trust wont even show up and he can continue scamming. A honest person can have loads of positive trades and none of them will even show up, but one "trusted" member leaves him negative for no reason and boom, he now looks like a scammer.

Maybe there is no real need for a trust system. Although, a lot of people tend to use it and it works for them. It's not forced on you. It's something which you can use only if you want too. Even when people have bad ratings and I'm going to be trading with them. I don't assume they are a scammer straight away. I first research about the person who left them bad feedback. Take a look at the reference if they included any. Do forum searches on them. The trust system just makes it a lot easier.

But, you don't have to use it. I haven't used it in awhile.


I'm glad you said this. Remember the escrow's are people too. Maybe tend to think that they should be trusted to questions asked. However, there has been instances where the escrow runs off. Even "established" and trusted ones. Remember you have to choose wisely when using a escrow. Search up their history to see if they have been in any dodgy deals.

imho there is no need for a trust system on this forum, nobody should trust it anyway, there are already some well established escrow services which can be used for relatively small transactions.
As for goat you should ignore him, he post his lamborghini to show that "it's possible to buy stuff with bitcoin", no comment

What do you purpose as a better trust system? If the trust system is used correctly then it's fine. When people request staff to get involved in the trust system and to moderate it, that's just silly. With quick research about the user who has given bad feedback to anyone. You will see if you can trust that. I don't trust someone because they have a few good trust ratings. I first search up those people who gave them trust. The trust system is there to help. Not to seal the deal. It's a guideline which when used correctly is very effective.