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Topic: Visa and Mastercard decided to increase their Fees.And there is nothing y can do - page 2. (Read 563 times)

legendary
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Visa Inc and Mastercard Inc, the two biggest U.S. card networks, are preparing to raise certain fees levied on U.S. merchants for processing transactions



They operate as a global duopoly. They account for much of global trade. And they decide, without consulting anyone or without any justification, to increase their fee.

This is what will always make centralized organizations that have this power. We need alternative means of payment to reduce that power and Bitcoin has to show itself as an alternative.


I completely agree on your thoughts.
The Visa and MasterCards company are really annoying its users completely. They are not stopping in to do so in any expects.
They keep on Increasing the fees as much they are capable of and we normal users are facing a lot of issues for that.
So we definitely need any alternate way of Payment at the moment.
It's time for Bitcoin now to show its Power.
I am with you on this matter. Lack of competition leads to bold unfair moves, because there's nobody around to make them stop. It should be noted, however, that from the article it is unclear who will have to pay the fees:
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it is up to merchant banks if they want to pass on the fee hike to sellers, or absorb it themselves. Similarly, it is sellers’ discretion to pass on the hike to consumers or not
I hope the banks will take the fees, because they are already getting rich and making people pay regular fees to be cardholders. It's sad though that the banks can pass the fees over to merchants and they can pass them to their customers... That's another example of why centralization is bad. We see the hierarchy, and the ones on the lowest level of it are the most vulnerable.
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Visa, Mastercard mull increasing fees for processing transactions: WSJ

Visa Inc and Mastercard Inc, the two biggest U.S. card networks, are preparing to raise certain fees levied on U.S. merchants for processing transactions



They operate as a global duopoly. They operate a large chunk of global trade. They are ubiquitous on internet.  And they decide, without consulting anyone or without any justification, to increase their fee.

This is what centralized organizations will always make if they have the power to do. We need alternative means of payment to reduce that power and Bitcoin has to show itself as an alternative.
Since they are dominating and they know they have the market, its something you can predict that they'll use that advantage to increase its profit by increasing the transaction fee. It'll be hard for the consumer so it will be better if they find alternative one. And then there's bitcoin. But I don't think that most people would think bitcoin as their alternative.
legendary
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"Visa cards generated 54.06% of all purchase transactions on general purpose cards worldwide. Debit cards with the Visa brand continued to account for the most purchase transactions with a share of 34.82%, followed by Visa credit cards with 19.23%.

Mastercard debit cards had a 13.30% share, overtaking Mastercard credit cards with a 12.87% share. UnionPay credit cards had a 7.59% share, and UnionPay debit cards had a 7.32% share. American Express had a 2.81% share, followed by JCB cards with 1.15% and Diners Club/Discover cards with 0.91%".

https://www.paymentscardsandmobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Purchase-transactions-on-global-card-networks-2016-1.jpg

UnionPay only works in China. So I think it is possible to say Visa and MasterCard work like a duopoly. I think there is no place in the world that accept credit cards but do not accept Visa or Mastercard.

UnionPay is definitely expanding beyond China. Where I live in the US, it's becoming common to see their logo everywhere Visa/Mastercard is posted. I don't think UnionPay cards are being issued to US customers, so the Chinese tourist/expat market must be huge.

I wish I knew more about antitrust laws. I have no idea if they apply here.
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This is very annoying. But if they increase the fee it will be a good news for crypto useres because If cryptocurrency can show it's power people will start using crypto as a payment method because of low fee and instant transection.
legendary
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There's a lot you can do. One of those things is not using credit cards.
People living from paycheck to paycheck don't have much of an option but to keep using credit cards to fill up gaps during the month. Millions and millions of people are stuck in a life of debt.

Regarding the increase in fees, it's something I saw coming with how there hasn't been much competition in that part of the industry. Less competition and large overall market dominance allow you to do these things.

Switching to Bitcoin isn't a viable option currently with how the price keeps fluctuating. Stability and more global acceptance is needed to convince people to at least give Bitcoin a fair shot.

But still, with the aforementioned in mind, people still rely on debt, and Bitcoin isn't the right tool to help them improve their financial situation. You have to take care of the underlying problem before you can move on.
hero member
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There's a lot you can do. One of those things is not using credit cards. I do it very rarely. I have a bank account and I shop online but I pay directly from my account not with my card number. I don't even own a credit card because I didn't want to pay fees. The ones who will suffer are the merchants because they have to allow their clients to use credit cards and they have active terminals in stores. Maybe if less people used credit cards the fees would decrease.
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I don't think digital money can seriously compete with Fiat money. Visa and MasterCard are very serious companies and the use of bitcoin will not change this situation. I think that cryptocurrency will exist as an alternative payment method, but it is too early to say that it will be used as widely as all centralized systems.
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It will be not easy for Bitcoin to overcome Visa or Mastercard's services! Because bitcoin is a volatile currency, people will not rely on its present price. Normal people will not accept the downtrend of the crypto market, they can be panic for it. To make bitcoin as the alternative payment way, BTC price should be stable for at least one year to show the world that BTC can be the first choice to make transactions in every sector!
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Visa, Mastercard mull increasing fees for processing transactions: WSJ

Visa Inc and Mastercard Inc, the two biggest U.S. card networks, are preparing to raise certain fees levied on U.S. merchants for processing transactions

They operate as a global duopoly. They operate a large chunk of global trade. They are ubiquitous on internet.  And they decide, without consulting anyone or without any justification, to increase their fee.

a "duopoly" is overstating things a bit. amex actually does higher volume than mastercard (definitely less cardholders though). visa is really in a league of its own.

if visa/mastercard jack up rates at the same time, are there possibly antitrust issues re price fixing?





"Visa cards generated 54.06% of all purchase transactions on general purpose cards worldwide. Debit cards with the Visa brand continued to account for the most purchase transactions with a share of 34.82%, followed by Visa credit cards with 19.23%.

Mastercard debit cards had a 13.30% share, overtaking Mastercard credit cards with a 12.87% share. UnionPay credit cards had a 7.59% share, and UnionPay debit cards had a 7.32% share. American Express had a 2.81% share, followed by JCB cards with 1.15% and Diners Club/Discover cards with 0.91%".

https://www.paymentscardsandmobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Purchase-transactions-on-global-card-networks-2016-1.jpg

UnionPay only works in China. So I think it is possible to say Visa and MasterCard work like a duopoly. I think there is no place in the world that accept credit cards but do not accept Visa or Mastercard.

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   https://www.ft.com/content/ad826e32-2ee8-11e9-ba00-0251022932c8

   The biggest card provider is UnionPay, a Chinese financial services firm which accounts for 36 per cent of global card expenditure. It is also the largest international provider of cards, accounting for 44 per cent of cards issued. Visa and Mastercard account for 28 per cent and 16 per cent of global card expenditure respectively.

Mobile payments are also popular in China, with WeChat Pay and Alipay dominating the mobile payment market.

In North America, Latin America and western Europe, Visa has the largest share of card expenditure. In central and eastern Europe, Mastercard is the largest.

People are using more "tap to pay" cards. Bitcoin wallets and mostly cryptocurrencies wallets have this feature almost as a default.
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is this real? wow i think they increasing the fee, many people dont want to use the debitcard every day, and i thin they will find the alternative with other platform and other currency, and we all hope that bitcoin can change the via and mastercard position
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Yes, they want to get all they can before they are into the play. Now since they assumed it`s all finished they don`t care about the customers anymore as they will losse them all soon anyway. So they will try to get the max of what they could.
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them increasing fees they take from merchant to process their transactions means merchants have to increase their prices to cover the difference if they don't want to lose money or eat into their profit.


Thats so true, cant blame the merchant for increasing the price, every increase or decrease of price with the product they're selling has its corresponding reasons. Its either the customer will suffer or the merchant in the first place.
legendary
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There is nothing we can do about the card companies increasing their rates
and the general public (a) wont be aware of it and (b) wont care too much.

If people in general do notice and care are they going to move to bitcoin?
im not sure, there is unfortunately only certain things that are available when
using bitcoin. Groceries, fuel and utility bills are not widespread accepting
bitcoin.

legendary
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Don't like the fees? Don't like the monopoly? Pay cash!

It's too bad that merchants socialize the costs induced by credit card users. When I walk into a store, I get the same price whether I pay with cash or credit card. Why would I use cash when I can get cash back rewards for using credit cards? Plus, credit cards give me insurance against dishonorable merchants. I can reverse the payment if needed.

If merchants offered me lower prices to use cash, I'd consider it.
legendary
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Don't say there is nothing we can do when actually we can do something. Their customers or we'll Stop using their services. I don't know of the US but we have alternative card Network provides in my country and again we have bitcoin and altcoins so I won't say we're totally hopeless
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Visa, Mastercard mull increasing fees for processing transactions: WSJ

Visa Inc and Mastercard Inc, the two biggest U.S. card networks, are preparing to raise certain fees levied on U.S. merchants for processing transactions

They operate as a global duopoly. They operate a large chunk of global trade. They are ubiquitous on internet.  And they decide, without consulting anyone or without any justification, to increase their fee.

a "duopoly" is overstating things a bit. amex actually does higher volume than mastercard (definitely less cardholders though). visa is really in a league of its own.

if visa/mastercard jack up rates at the same time, are there possibly antitrust issues re price fixing?

This is what centralized organizations will always make if they have the power to do. We need alternative means of payment to reduce that power and Bitcoin has to show itself as an alternative.

with bitcoin, other people joining the network and taking up block space will drive your fees up. is that much better than visa? Smiley
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Don't like the fees? Don't like the monopoly? Pay cash!

Nope this is definitely not the best solution, because millions of transactions are done online with credit cards and these transactions cannot not be done with cash, because these merchants are spread all over the world.  Tongue Cash withdrawal is also very expensive, because Banks are trying to push people not to use cash anymore, so the fees for credit card transactions and cash withdrawal fees will be more or less the same.  Angry

The best solution is for us to motive people to shift to Bitcoin as a alternative payment option.  Cool
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This are  the reason why all this financial entities  are  fight again bitcoin because  MasterCard  & Visa believes bitcoin is big threat to business,  Satoshi Vision is stop all this high transaction fees . as Blockchain technology is  growing i know very soon we will get  Card purposely for crypto  transaction only this is satoshi vision .  MasterCard and Visa are are monopoly so they will always treat customer anymore  by charging us any fees..
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Don't like the fees? Don't like the monopoly? Pay cash!
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It is some promising news for crypto i think. They are asking "Up to 2.5 percent of prices for goods and services go to cover card fees" and less than 1/10 of that can be done with some of the new blockchains (bitcoin and ethereum blockchains can't process that many transactions).
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