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What are Russians doing at the moment with their money?

Sanctions might be getting worse and fast, due to the airplane.  If I was in Russia I would be converting all my disposable money into Bitcoin - Bitcoin shouldn't change that whole much but the Russian economy could be in the gutter if big sanctions are placed against it.


I don't think Russians are much aware of bitcoin.  I am thinking about to logging in in to my VK account and spread the word BTC to all. I have got many friends. I just want to recover my pass. I last logged in more than 4+ months ago.
Kindly,
          MZ
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They most of them don't care about sanctions. Some people are investing into shares of energy and industrial sector companies... I'm buying shares for 1/3 of my monthly salary, for example.
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What are Russians doing at the moment with their money?

Sanctions might be getting worse and fast, due to the airplane.  If I was in Russia I would be converting all my disposable money into Bitcoin - Bitcoin shouldn't change that whole much but the Russian economy could be in the gutter if big sanctions are placed against it.
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Russia won't accept bitcoin, ever. If their leaders can't steal something from it then it is no use for them to allow it.
Legal Prime GS Consulting, JSC

It's a pretty big law firm, which is located in Moscow, and they accept bitcoin as payments for their services.

http://www.legalprimegsc.ru/news/my_prinimaem_k_oplate_bitkoiny_Bitcoin_dlya_obespecheniya_anonimnosti_pri_raschetah_s_klientami_pri_okazanii_uslug_trebuyuschih_spetsialnogo_rezhima_k-344/

So if you need a lawyer in Russia, then you can contact them.
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They still have bitcoins here ready to be used massive. I just don't get it why people still resist from it, while it makes so good to all of the people.
Because it's not ready to be used massive. Not in our universe, at least.

Russia gov hates everything that they can't control, like bitcoin
Well, again somebody talks about the government control while being unable to see the world beyond own nose. Sorry, but it seems very strange to me.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6691455

so what will speak louder?
Bitcoin wiki, maybe? Roll Eyes

but bitcoin can be a great way to bypass these credit card bans and USA future and current economic sanctions
It can't be the great way, because this solution won't work at all. Forget about bitcoin in the mainstream banking. Modern implementations of bitcoin protocol are incapable to achieve the required transaction rate. There are no decentralized cryptocurrencies which would be able to work as national payment system. Too many scalability issues there waiting for a solution before it will be possible. Sorry for strong language, just tired of these dreams about decentralized & full-scale international banking. It simply won't happen in the near future. It's not about hate or control, it's technically impossible right now. But, eventually, it will be possible.
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They still have bitcoins here ready to be used massive. I just don't get it why people still resist from it, while it makes so good to all of the people.
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The world is build by conqueror. Anyone who feel sorry for their enemies today may come to regret some years down the road.
 

Spot on.

Christianity was evil at one point during the crusades:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades


Muslim wasn't that much different:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests


If you are on the winning camp, enjoy it while you can. Survival of fitness, any culture who got themselves into bad position either need to adapt and change or die off to make room for others.





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Besides lots of samoeds and aleut people were slaughter and those were not tatars. And god knows how many more natives.

The Samoyeds and Aleuts were living in the more remote parts of Siberia. They were contacted much later. Initially, the contacts were limited to the Ostyaks, Tatars and Voguls. The other smaller tribes were already decimated as a result of the inter-tribal warfare. When smallpox and other epidemics reached their lands, most of the tribes became extinct.

But this has happened not only in Siberia. It has happened in the Americas, Africa and Oceania.


Which again makes my point , the russians acted the same as the americans and english.

And just because they slaughter them after the tatars (later) doesn't really help.


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In order to subjugate the natives and collect yasak (fur tribute), a series of winter outposts (zimovie) and forts (ostrogs) were built at the confluences of major rivers and streams and important portages.To ensure subjugation of the natives, the ostrogs of Yeniseysk (1619) and Krasnoyarsk (1628) were established.[4]

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Following the khan's death and the dissolution of any organised Siberian resistance, the Russians advanced first towards Lake Baikal and then the Sea of Okhotsk and the Amur River. However, when they first reached the Chinese border they encountered people that were equipped with artillery pieces and here they halted.

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At the hands of people like Vasilii Poyarkov in 1645 and Yerofei Khabarov in 1650 some peoples like the Dauri were slaughtered by the Russians to the extent that it is considered genocide. 8,000 out of a previously 20,000 strong population in Kamchatka remained after being subjected to half a century of Cossacks slaughter.[6] In the 1640s the Yakuts were subjected to slaughters during the Russian advance into their land near the Lena river, and on Kamchatka in the 1690s the Koryak, Kamchadals, and Chukchi were also subjected to slaughters by the Russians

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In Kamchatka the Russians savagely crushed the Itelmens uprisings against their rule in 1706, 1731, and 1741
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The Russians faced tougher resistance when from 1745-56 they tried to exterminate the gun and bow equipped Koraks until their victory

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After the Russian defeat in 1729 at Chukchi hands, the Russian commander Major Pavlutskiy was responsible for the Russian war against the Chukchi and the mass slaughters and enslavement of Chukchi women and children in 1730-31, but his cruelty only made the Chukchis fight more fiercely.[9] A genocide of the Chukchis and Koraks was ordered by Empress Elizabeth in 1742 to totally expel them from their native lands and erase their culture through war.

more.....?



The world is build by conqueror. Anyone who feel sorry for their enemies today may come to regret some years down the road.


 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/business/2014/06/140620_russia_visa_mastercard_deposit.shtml

According to new bill, it is required to account only the foreign processing operations. VISA & MC don't have any local processing centers, so all of their transactions should be accounted. It seems that nothing has been changed in real, they're still required to pay $2.9 billion.

VISA announced that they will build their own local processing centre in Russian Federation within 2 years:
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2499104
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Which again makes my point , the russians acted the same as the americans and english.

And just because they slaughter them after the tatars (later) doesn't really help.


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In order to subjugate the natives and collect yasak (fur tribute), a series of winter outposts (zimovie) and forts (ostrogs) were built at the confluences of major rivers and streams and important portages.To ensure subjugation of the natives, the ostrogs of Yeniseysk (1619) and Krasnoyarsk (1628) were established.[4]

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Following the khan's death and the dissolution of any organised Siberian resistance, the Russians advanced first towards Lake Baikal and then the Sea of Okhotsk and the Amur River. However, when they first reached the Chinese border they encountered people that were equipped with artillery pieces and here they halted.

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At the hands of people like Vasilii Poyarkov in 1645 and Yerofei Khabarov in 1650 some peoples like the Dauri were slaughtered by the Russians to the extent that it is considered genocide. 8,000 out of a previously 20,000 strong population in Kamchatka remained after being subjected to half a century of Cossacks slaughter.[6] In the 1640s the Yakuts were subjected to slaughters during the Russian advance into their land near the Lena river, and on Kamchatka in the 1690s the Koryak, Kamchadals, and Chukchi were also subjected to slaughters by the Russians

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In Kamchatka the Russians savagely crushed the Itelmens uprisings against their rule in 1706, 1731, and 1741
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The Russians faced tougher resistance when from 1745-56 they tried to exterminate the gun and bow equipped Koraks until their victory

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After the Russian defeat in 1729 at Chukchi hands, the Russian commander Major Pavlutskiy was responsible for the Russian war against the Chukchi and the mass slaughters and enslavement of Chukchi women and children in 1730-31, but his cruelty only made the Chukchis fight more fiercely.[9] A genocide of the Chukchis and Koraks was ordered by Empress Elizabeth in 1742 to totally expel them from their native lands and erase their culture through war.

more.....?


Niothor, I wanted to reply to your post, before holidays, but forgot, where I saw it. Now Balthazar inadvertently brought the topic back up. Smiley

In your examples above you took the history out of context.

First you need to consider what came before: 300 years of Tatar-Mongol occupation (yoke) of Russian, a period when Russians were almost completely exterminated. Those brutalities were still fresh in memory then (they are still not forgotten now), and, as Cossacks were pushing further East, the people who looked Asian were associated with Tatars or Mongols and brutality was a way of dealing retribution. I do not in any way justify such actions, but that is the mindset of that period.

Contacts with Chukchi existed from before the events you describe. As an aside Chukchi have several words describing human beings, but only they themselves and Russians were gratified with their use of the word "real people". At the same time Chuckchi creation myths say that Russains were created by the gods to serve Chukchi with metals and goods, but somehow forgotten their true purpose and turned on their masters.

Now, let's see what came later - in 1770 the Anadyrsk fortress was laid down, which spurred friendlier relations between Chukchi and Russians, and already in 1775 Angarsk fortress was built, and it served as a centre for trade - big fairs were organised there, where Chukchi and Russians could exchange all kinds of local goods, and the turnover of trade accounted for hundreds of thousands of roubles in the monetary value of those days. In 1848 the fair was moved to Anjusk fortress, and served up to the middle of the 19th century.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/business/2014/06/140620_russia_visa_mastercard_deposit.shtml

According to new bill, it is required to account only the foreign processing operations. VISA & MC don't have any local processing centers, so all of their transactions should be accounted. It seems that nothing has been changed in real, they're still required to pay $2.9 billion.
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Besides lots of samoeds and aleut people were slaughter and those were not tatars. And god knows how many more natives.

The Samoyeds and Aleuts were living in the more remote parts of Siberia. They were contacted much later. Initially, the contacts were limited to the Ostyaks, Tatars and Voguls. The other smaller tribes were already decimated as a result of the inter-tribal warfare. When smallpox and other epidemics reached their lands, most of the tribes became extinct.

But this has happened not only in Siberia. It has happened in the Americas, Africa and Oceania.


Which again makes my point , the russians acted the same as the americans and english.

And just because they slaughter them after the tatars (later) doesn't really help.


Quote
In order to subjugate the natives and collect yasak (fur tribute), a series of winter outposts (zimovie) and forts (ostrogs) were built at the confluences of major rivers and streams and important portages.To ensure subjugation of the natives, the ostrogs of Yeniseysk (1619) and Krasnoyarsk (1628) were established.[4]

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Following the khan's death and the dissolution of any organised Siberian resistance, the Russians advanced first towards Lake Baikal and then the Sea of Okhotsk and the Amur River. However, when they first reached the Chinese border they encountered people that were equipped with artillery pieces and here they halted.

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At the hands of people like Vasilii Poyarkov in 1645 and Yerofei Khabarov in 1650 some peoples like the Dauri were slaughtered by the Russians to the extent that it is considered genocide. 8,000 out of a previously 20,000 strong population in Kamchatka remained after being subjected to half a century of Cossacks slaughter.[6] In the 1640s the Yakuts were subjected to slaughters during the Russian advance into their land near the Lena river, and on Kamchatka in the 1690s the Koryak, Kamchadals, and Chukchi were also subjected to slaughters by the Russians

Quote
In Kamchatka the Russians savagely crushed the Itelmens uprisings against their rule in 1706, 1731, and 1741
Quote
The Russians faced tougher resistance when from 1745-56 they tried to exterminate the gun and bow equipped Koraks until their victory

Quote
After the Russian defeat in 1729 at Chukchi hands, the Russian commander Major Pavlutskiy was responsible for the Russian war against the Chukchi and the mass slaughters and enslavement of Chukchi women and children in 1730-31, but his cruelty only made the Chukchis fight more fiercely.[9] A genocide of the Chukchis and Koraks was ordered by Empress Elizabeth in 1742 to totally expel them from their native lands and erase their culture through war.

more.....?

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Besides lots of samoeds and aleut people were slaughter and those were not tatars. And god knows how many more natives.

The Samoyeds and Aleuts were living in the more remote parts of Siberia. They were contacted much later. Initially, the contacts were limited to the Ostyaks, Tatars and Voguls. The other smaller tribes were already decimated as a result of the inter-tribal warfare. When smallpox and other epidemics reached their lands, most of the tribes became extinct.

But this has happened not only in Siberia. It has happened in the Americas, Africa and Oceania.
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They did the same in Siberia as the americans and british in the US with the natives.

At the time of the Siberian conquest, that region was being ruled by the Tatars, who had enslaved the local population. Not saying that the Russians were any better than the Tatars, but the Russians didn't took the land from the original inhabitants. The Ostyaks and Voguls had already lost their land at the time of the Siberian conquest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_conquest_of_Siberia

I know you don't like Wikipedia although  you quote it often , but look at the references.

Besides lots of samoeds and aleut people were slaughter and those were not tatars. And god knows how many more natives.

Also , the siberian khnate rulled by tatars was a small part of siberia.
And again as in the other thread , acting like an invader and killing the invader that got there first before you doesn't make you better.
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They did the same in Siberia as the americans and british in the US with the natives.

At the time of the Siberian conquest, that region was being ruled by the Tatars, who had enslaved the local population. Not saying that the Russians were any better than the Tatars, but the Russians didn't took the land from the original inhabitants. The Ostyaks and Voguls had already lost their land at the time of the Siberian conquest.
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That wasn't "lost" , you can lose your wallet on the street  but you can't claim you lost money when you did go shopping with them and bought a bunch a stuff.

It was lost. Russia received compensation, which was at that time worth less than 1% of the real value of Alaska. Also, the sale was made under the threat of an impending British invasion.

Real value? It was the value at that time and it was seen as a foolish move by a lot of Americans.
Like the people who claim that the guy buying a pizza with 10 000BTC was an idiot.

And the impending British invasion... which never happen.

The land was sold and it wasn't lost.
How much of the land Russia sits on was bought and not conquered spilling blood ?

Russia , Britain , France , Turkey they did the same , no point in defending the the Russians as some peace loving people.
They did the same in Siberia as the americans and british in the US with the natives.
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That wasn't "lost" , you can lose your wallet on the street  but you can't claim you lost money when you did go shopping with them and bought a bunch a stuff.

It was lost. Russia received compensation, which was at that time worth less than 1% of the real value of Alaska. Also, the sale was made under the threat of an impending British invasion.
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Seems to be pretty stable, save for those times, when Russia was invaded.

Russia has lost a lot of territory during the 19th and 20th centuries. Examples are Alaska (to the United States), Kars (to Turkey), Novorossiya (to Ukraine) and the Semipalatisk-Karaganda region (to Kazakhstan).

That wasn't "lost" , you can lose your wallet on the street  but you can't claim you lost money when you did go shopping with them and bought a bunch a stuff.
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Seems to be pretty stable, save for those times, when Russia was invaded.

Russia has lost a lot of territory during the 19th and 20th centuries. Examples are Alaska (to the United States), Kars (to Turkey), Novorossiya (to Ukraine) and the Semipalatisk-Karaganda region (to Kazakhstan).
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