Topic: Visit to BFL - page 2. (Read 5349 times)

Let's get Gordon Ramsey into Bitcoins... he'd pay a visit to BFL and smack Josh in the back of his head so fast...

lol that would be hiarious , true xD

Wouldn't be surprised to see BFL use AVALON's chips to satisfy order lol.....

FUCKING HILARIOUS

Wow that video is the ESSENCE of what BFL is.

WOW JUST WOW. LOL Josh you guys took notes from these guys huh? haha

This ^. BFL implosion is imminent if they can't get more suckers to preorder to pay for current preorder customers that have been waiting months and almost a year now.

BE CAREFUL INVESTING WITH BFL. YOU MAY LOSE ALL OF YOUR INVESTMENT.

Avalon just released the first segments of their design. This means that there will probably be clones by OEM's in a few weeks.

Has BFL shipped (2%) yet? Nah. Still waiting.

I am becoming a BFL customer, they simply HAVE-TO-SHIP-FIRST. If I put money down on the table I need to see progress and orders flowing out.

Also it does not matter whether someone currently has, had (past tense) or does not currently have an order, they still get the same treatment. I have seen Josh curse out multi-thousand dollar customers despite having orders. (CoinHoarder I think was a good example)

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This is what BFL would look like if they were a restaurant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6LY7TJ16pg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQDtoHpAWhg

Watch the first 5 minutes to get a good inkling of their business practices being remarkably similar.

"As for myself, on the basis of today's interview, I will not be ordering from BFL."

Direct quote.

Seems like his partners have orders. It does matter because like i've said in other BFL threads, why do people who do not have orders with BFL make hte biggest stink about bfl? Those who do have orders can beef all they want.

edit: well maybe not all they want, the same friggin beefs over and over gets old. original, creative beefin' allowed.

BFL has been clearly beaten to market, and they are losing the PR battle as well.

Any company that takes your money for what is effectively an alpha first run product, with hardware bugs, is basically living on borrowed time.

It's a no brainer.

That is not what I understood nor does he seem to imply he has no order.

In either case, it is not ultimately relevant.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/2523-how-many-units-you-actually-shipping-per-day-moment.html

Might want to re-read the post bud. He has zero orders with BFL. The last line said he will not order from BFL.

There is a word that describes this treatment.  Hustling.

Prostitutes, pimps, grifters....


They take what they can and get away with what they can.

 Ain't gonna lie; that made me laugh out loud

THIS ^ sums up the definition of a true BFL shill.

By the way, if I am in my "MASTER BFL Shill" custume. I always add it as a footer in my messages. Just to make sure people take note of it and don't take it seriously.

For example, I could make the (perfectly rational shill'in) argument that once you give your money to BFL it is now their property. That they don't have to "give it back". They don't even have to contact you anymore. No....you shouldn't even visit them (announced or otherwise) and NEVER expect anything in return.

As far as I am concerned, the customers are giving their payment as "gifts". Yes, you read that right. This is what it is like to be a MASTER BFL Shill. This is my twisted reality and thinking as a Shill of the highest porportions.

If you (the BFL customers out there) complain you are a total "Troll".

(Master BFL Shill) <---  

 Who you callin' a whipper-snapper ?! Why I oughta...

Alright, you whipper snapper. I apologize. 

Sorry, I have only heard of Valve Time® and...whats its name....Duke Nukem Forever.

I understand that you think customers are not worth the time nor effort of actual customer service.

I don't think many customers would agree with you.

Lets go in a different direction for a sec. Lets say the obvious, BFL sells money printing. Blizzard sells games for entertainment.

Each hour without a Blizzard game means one hour of....doing whatever it that people do in their spare time. Each hour without BFL's ASIC devices equates to lost time in money printing.

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Personally, I don't fault the man for visiting BFL unannounced. He was (apparently heavily invested) and successful in determining the situation to through his own ends and means. It brought him to a point of concern.

Whether we agree that he should or should not have made the appointment, that point simply does not change.

Understood.

I cocked an eyebrow at that statement. Remind me not to do vital business with your companies.

Some strive for quality....others....just enough to get by. (Then again, who am I to throw that rock?)

Do you think BFL's customer service is essential or necessary to their business? (Open and serious question.)

Now we are going from Company Headquarters to Intel Fabs? Usually when someone makes a ridiculous argument it is because their position is weaker than it probably should be. If you don't think so, see above where I mentioned they sell a [virtual] money printing machine. No one can deny it.

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The end story is that BFL invites people to come on over....simply not unannounced. Though, it has been known to happen before and BFL does "whatever it does" in the face of that situation.

In this case, Dave could have done alot better. It will no doubt cost his employer some money just as Inaba's attitude has (he has admitted before) cost his company some "marginal" income. (or...so he says)

we have now compared intel to bfl

prepare for blastoff

Ah yes, since I take an interest in the gaming industry and gaming I must surely be a kid. It couldn't be that they are one of the main sources for internet drama when it comes to businesses and drawing parallels to BFL due to similar business approaches is quite easy?

It doesn't matter if they mainly sell software and BFL actual physical hardware. It's that their focus is on the side of bringing products to market and selling them to >end user< is secondary. Since selling to the end user in this case is secondary their prime motivator for doing this "in house" is usually profits, hence we get back to the customers who simply are not worth it, there's a reason most companies outsource their end-user "interactions" to brick and mortar stores.

Customer support is in the end a balance, you can't ignore them, you can't obey their every whim. You simply need to put it on the lowest acceptable level while keeping the damage levels low enough. Unless of course good customer support is a core part of your business model, then this has to be one of the major selling points for your product, but so can price point/quality and just about anything else be. I've heard starting a cult is working quite well for Apple, I rarely hear anyone praise their customer support however.


So why would this box of software not be worthy of in person support while the box of fans is?
Also I'm quite sure I could find  a "box of software" that costs 30k+ from a company that would be less than happy if you came stomping into their office unannounced, but I'm lazy and I admit it so I cba.

Also, does buying an Intel CPU give you the keys to the Intel fabs as well while we are at it? It seems like your logic seems to be pointing in that direction.