Topic: Vod is abusing his merit source position to give 50 merit to his supporters (Read 2038 times)

Vod will be back, I have no doubt about that. He was getting into needless arguments & battles with other members (not all his fault I will add).

It’s probably good for him to take some time out, recharge his batteries & come back refreshed & away from negativity.

I like him, he’s good for this place. Sometimes you just need a change of scenery & time to chill.

Come back when you’re ready Vod!

I like Vod, and I think it is a shame he got mixed up in all the reputation stuff.

The only good thing about all the reputation bitching is that you get to know who to trust, and who is a worthwhile member. This seems to be independent of the trust system.

On a serious note: new Merit sources start small, and can go up in amount if they do a good job. Vod said he didn't empty his source most of the time. The total amount sources have didn't change much, so one big source got replaced by 8 smaller ones.

To show how powerful vod was, it took theymos an appointment of 8 new members to fill in the shoes of vod as merit source now imagine how many new DT members it'll take if he gets removed from DT. No doubt the dude is good

/Humour

Oh, we should Vod the merits because someone thinks them nasty?

Come on guys, everything we do in life is subjective. Peeps must always complain. It's the unending circle of man's life - not even God has been able to satisfy mankind.

I guess that it's a matter of choice.

I think that Vod simply enjoys to annoy a couple of people around here. They can fight or ignore, again, their choice.
I find all this more like 'popcorn time' than heartbreaking, sorry.

It is the previlige of a merit source to give all the smerits to a certain trusted user as theymos has allowed this so there is no reason for you OP to get jealous on the merits being rewarded to a certain user that has credibility to spread the merits.

This why there are merit source applications in the forum and I think it could be good to accept them then limit the merit allocation for every merit source or depending on jlhow ferequent and trusted a merit source could be. So the allocation of merits will still be the same but the number of merit source has to be increased to look for quality posts.

Wasn't condemning you. Like I said it's been a long time and having gone back can see why I was confused.

It was your removal from DT due to the feedback left. Seems at the time people had a much lower threshold for what they deemed appropriate use of DT feedback. At the time I may have equated that with "staff".

I also haven't looked back to confirm if Armis was a scammer, just noticed some feedback to that effect which probably gave me the impression the first time.

It breaks my heart by the way to see so much drama in this forum. Why can't we just chill, talk shit, enjoy the laughter like in any other mainstream forum?

Done wiping , now what's the difference?



I was actually referring to OP by that statement. Vod obviously did sent the 50 merit willingly and if the reason behind that is him being removed as a sourced then there is nothing wrong about that.  It is pretty obvious that OP is trying to add up on Vod's issue and this is pretty nonsense.

Same here it burns me out too.
Everyone(Involved parties) ignored this post like it was never posted. There are many productive things that can be done, we are here for one purpose bitcoin is bae.
Supporting your supporter is not a bad thing. Wasting everything on them is also not good. Think, Re-think and think again. Do you want to be fair with one or all?

I'm not supporting anyone here I'm neutral. 

I will say this much as I wound up looking into Techshares feedback history one weekend as I fell down the bitcointalk rabbit hole. He's been a longtime member on the forum once on staff I believe, and conducts quite a bit of Marketplace business. You don't have to agree with him to note there have been a lot of contributions.

I'd have to read more but iirc, it could be argued he made a mistake in going a bit far to catch a scammer.

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I bring this up because I don't really understand why people want to make it personal here. You can easily interact and disagree with people, without it, or just ignore and move on.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH. BTW you might want to wipe that brown from your nose.

I still support him anyways if that is his way getting removed from being a source then be it.

This only means that Vod isn't interested being at the top (that is what a real man does).

Edit: Still a much worthy member in this forum tho than you actually do

You forgot " Morse code " and "then running out of s-merit" its long list tho. You might want to add a disclaimer about green dildo, pic related to having dinner, swimsuit model's pics are already copyright there

Drama= once in a week overall WO thread is full of fun.

Lol.  Haven't read that one in years, but there are certain parts of it that stick out in my mind that do seem to indicate you might have a point.  I would very much like to not see this forum progress to the level of brutality and anarchy that I remember from that story.

He does.  He's obviously really pissed off right now, though as I said in another post his actions are a proxy for what he's not articulating in posts.  People who are very cerebral and tend to think very logically generally don't let out their frustrations in words, e.g., an outburst or rant.  They tend to act out their inner turmoil--and again, this is just from personal observations throughout my life. 

Jet Cash!  Haven't seen you around in a while, and I thought you might have disappeared.  Glad to see you're still around.

It looks like a "mafia" to me. Am I a scammer? Here, have some ball washing polish you seem to be running out.

I first came across vod in the flat earth topic, the debates between notbatman and vod were great, hes one to always call people out on bullshit.

I agree. I was really impressed when I saw his bpip website, wihich he clearly spends a lot of time bulding and making it work. It really looks like he cares about the forum, even someone who don't know him can notice that.

About 50 merit... In a few months or years those 50 merits won't make any difference.

before Vod removed from merit source since he wanted too, i wanna know how it's feel having a shower which full of merits given by him  

you are an example of a stupid cunt,ass licking faggot.Its clearly an abuse ,and you are only denying it, if the person abusing is powerful you are going to lick,if its just a normal guy you are going to say its an abuse..LOL

QS, would you be willing to lock this topic? There are already plenty of open topics about Vod and his behaviour. Send Theymos a PM and tell him why you feel like Vod should be removed as a merit source. He's the only one who can remove him as a source so having another endless discussion isn't contributing to the Meta section in any way.

So this website is basically like the book Lord of the Flies.

I gave you 10 merits for having licked the merit sauce (sic), and for not dropping a boob whilst doing it.

And all the other merit he has given at really appropriate post .... if he gives from time to time 50 merit to not let them expire and that being to an in he's opinion good member that will send them away with good care isn't bad as well....
If it would be to shady, newbie accounts, then the story is different....

But for example if VOD goes on a holiday for two weeks not able to be online, then it wouldn't be bad to send them to a good poster, judgemental member to spend them as he sees fit .....

Better to let merit be used for good then let them be expired, just to sell merit, to support shady accounts that are the NO-go's for merit sending....

Don't make noise where no noise is needed. He isn't made a source cause he has bad judgement!

Why do we should start such a fighting - that has negative net-effects in general ?
Let's check what's going on with merit circulations there: Wall Observer, where you can receive merits by uploading images on whatever funny stuffs. No one complaints about that, so far.

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Personally, the point is when we need to start a fighting, we actually can find reasons for it; whilst when we need reasons to forgive, we actually can find them.

Another example of negative thinking man. Community don't allow the word "mafia" and there is nothing here on bitcointalk which seems like this. Its really interesting to hear something like that because i believe all scammers way of thinking is likely similar and on the other side all default trusted members have got the same point of view against scammers. That"s why it could look like a group or mafia for you dude.

This wont be an abuse because Vod is part of the mafia here,if it was just a normies then that would be an abuse.If you aint belong to them you're out.

Lol, like what, post likes ? No matter what theymos does, he still can't keep everyone happy as there will still be forum members that'll have one or two things to say about the new system you speak off. We're already getting used to the merit system, so changing it won't be the right step Instead, improving on the system will do the trick. For starters, merit sources should be given the option to choose between sending their earned smerit or allocated smerits. That why they won't have to exaust their allocations before they can play with their earned smerits.

Actually, it is much easier to head over to the WO thread and post something really bullish about BTC.   They have drama there too, but it has little to do with forum politics. You may even get merit for posting what you are having for dinner.   Memes of bitcoin guy, rocket ships, swimsuit models, green dildos and burning trains can get you bonus merits.  

So this is how people are supposed to rank up now?

Find the threads where dt members and merit sources are fighting and do some brown nosing...

Interesting concept 

It's the way decentralised forum works, with two-tailed effects, negative and positive, but I said with such decision of Vod, and Hhampuz. There are three DT1 members publicly stated that they wanted to be removed from DT1 member lists recent months (after malboroza).

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There are so many users waited for months with their merit source applications, both real ones and fake ones (fake ones mean someones made fake merit source applications in order to get merits); so you actually give them hope.
I wish you all the best after DT1-member retirement, but I actually hope that you won't shut the BPIP site down.

The feels right now just like this

Play A Song: SAD

I hope Vod just retired from Merit Source & DT not from Bitcointalk too, was a great day we have Reputable Member. I think this kind of drama will be ended after theymos remove Vod as a merit source & DT it's already gone too far. Then he just focused too develop BPIP and contribute to the forum as he usually does.

Theymos has responded to my request to be removed as a merit source.  No more working for free. 

via Imgflip Meme Generator

When they stop it?
SOON...

I don't think the posts are off topic. I think the posts are not 50-merit worthy, and probably not merit worthy at all.

Merit should be given to posts that are objectively high quality, or types of posts that we as a forum want more of.

Others in this thread believe Vod was intentionally acting out in an effort to get fired from being a merit source.

If you really believe so, then stop fighting it, let everyone do whatever they want, report those posts and let the mods decide, why start a whole thread and make things even worse?

Isn't this what we all do? Theories aside, reality states that we always tend to merit good posts that make sense to us, or that we found funny as you stated.

Anyway, i think you and Vod should take it easy, this is getting boring.

I can't control what other people do, and the post was objectively funny.

The post I received merit on also was not taking anyone's side.

Vod's recent merit history is him giving merit in exchange for support.

On the same thread you got more than 10 merit for  only 2 words post.

I don't see a lot of difference.

Many other members do the same thing, but your personal problems with him is the only reason you started this topic. I am not saying what vod did is right or wrong, just stating the obvious.

I would be happy to have the same problems when I don't know where to load sMerits but I'm always out of them. I don't think it's a problem if a post gets a high number of Merits. Sometimes many good posts are being left unmerited and then it's just a compensation if another posts gets more than usually. And as another positive outcome the merited people are getting more sMerit.

When the Merit system was introduced it was quite common to spend large sums so I don't see it as a problem now. Otherwise, theymos would have lowered the maximum of 50 Merit per account / month.

Quoting for future use when I need to prove that others agree with me to my wife.

Dirty jokes aside, perhaps the fix to this problem is to allow merit sources to pick whether to use their forum given merits or earned smerits? I ran into this problem when playing around with the April fools thread. I had kind of forgotten that I need to drain my forum given merits before I'm free to do what I want with my other 400 earned smerits that I should be free to waste however I want.

BPIP would be a huge loss.

Let me tell you the fact that we all will miss Vod so much if some day he left the forum, or he decide to shut down the BPIP site. Please tell me the truth that you agree or disagree?
In addition, there are so many merit source application that received 50 merits from a single user at once. I don't think that such 50 merits to merit source application's OP is merit abusements. Despite of the fact that if the same user does not create a merit source application, but only post a normal post which contains same 10 links to ten helpful topics/ posts that he or she present in merit source application, he or she probably does not receive 50 merits from a single user at once. Do you call this act as merit abusement? I don't think so.

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Consequently, there is nothing wrong if Vod thought that a post really contributes to the forum, from his perspective. You can not judge from your perspective that Vod giving merits because he simply agrees with a post. Maybe he think that such post actually contributes something to the forum. Moreover, if theymos thinks that something wrong, he might step in (as he did in the past with other merit soures), and revert wrong sent-merits.

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Importantly! It is right time to cool down.

I would merit any post compiling the multiple baseless threads QS has started against me over the years...  that would be a very worthy post. 

 

Maybe he sees that post "constructive" so he gave him that number of merits

What's the reason of creating this thread. As long as you share the merits to other people it doesn't matter. I don't think there is a in abuse here and if there are, for sure theymos will handle it.

Lets just move on with what happened.  

Lol, why not?  Merit abuse seems rampant in this thread, everybody's doing it.

I have completely misread that post! Sorry sir! Excellent work sir, here's some pajeet-merit.

Fuck no!  I'm sure you're right, I was just impressed by your mastery of the Jedi mind trick.

I agreed with that post so much I wanted to give 50 merits, but I had already given 4.   :/

Length != usefulness. 

OK, this is strange. I do not expect stuff like this from the oldest member of the forum. I do respect Vod but Seriously what the hell is this. there are a lot of people who are making many many helpful posts and you are just giving away 46 merits like it was charity.

Why are so interested in me when you claim I am pathetic, and irrelevant?  Why you spending stolen money to harass me?

Post whatever you want , but your continued actions prove I have an influence on you.  

Bet all the bitcoin you got on it if you dare. I read daily from both sides, they are just too-entrenched to see me.  

I had hope recently and then this completely changed directions and spiraled out of control. I'm just waiting for someone to publish both doxxes from an alt account.

Lets look at the bright side, he's introducing more smerits to the circulating smerits supply, giving regular users more opportunity to send out smerits. A quick look at his recent sent merit record, you'll notice he hasn't merited unworthy users. Lets say he has decided to take some time off been active on the forum i.e resigning as merit source and DT member, he's exit strategy is quite positive to increasing smerit circulation.

I don't now why you people fight, I didn't dig that deep but can't you just put a big fat dot on the history and start back from scratch?
Just bury the fucking hatchets once for all.

All of you people are assett to the comunity , you have been here for soooo long, yoh have the knowledge but fighting for foolish things and accusing each other makes no good to anyone. No one will win this war, even in the court, no one will benefit out if it, it's just gonna be sad.

Lauda: It's accurate. Ignore the sheet.

DireWolfM14: It is accurate, I will ignore the sheet.

Lauda: These aren't the signature campaigns you're looking for.

DireWolfM14: These aren't the signature campaigns we're looking for.

Lauda: Move along.

DireWolfM14: Move along, move along.

First one maybe, second one no.

He’s having a mental breakdown. Let him have a breather. Last thing I want is to be accused of contributing to him harming himself in real life. Already bad enough my criticisms have led to him throwing away his reputation.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s blacklisted from DT and all his sent merits reversed at this point. Let’s not encourage him to make the situation worse for himself.

I think vod has made a mistake . He could start his merit giveaway by sending merits to quickseller first. Because OP opened opportunities for more users to get merits from vod by opening this thread.

Why maximum send limit is 50 only? I think today is the record breaking merit sending day.  

WTF Vod, do you really think to resign as a merit source and DT, c'mon?

So you agree your words should not be believed?    Most others believe that.

Why are you still showing the Livecoin banner?

I care about the integrity of the system. Vods actions compromise that integrity.

Although I hadn’t seen it when I created this thread, Vod had asked to resign from being a merit source prior to my opening this thread. It appears, and others agree, that Vods actions are an attempt to get himself fired from being a merit source. This is instead of resigning gracefully. 

You are a wise "drug dealer" my  pharm friend,  history will record you for being very wise as OG fell.

I feel now that I care more for the forum than the admin does, so I should prob step back.

It's accurate. Ignore the sheet.

He's still listed in the spreadsheet, so I don't think that's accurate.

So he is just showing the Livecoin banner and pretending he is being paid?   sad.  :/

It bums me out to keep seeing these topics. At first they were just annoying, but its getting pretty sad to see. I like Vod, Quickseller, and OgNasty, as well as the handful of others chiming in. Does anyone actually truly care that someone is sending a debatable amount of merits, or have you decided to make lifelong vendettas over stupid stuff that probably barely effects anyone?

If you haven't set fire to each other's houses or screwed each other's dog, is it really worth continuing bickering? It just makes the forum feel more gloomy and less unified. You all have better things to do than fight with each other online, so why keep wasting your own time? You don't need to get along, but knowing when to just ignore someone rather than expending 100 hours responding to a fired shot is a valuable skill. If you keep at it, I'm going to have to start hanging out with the spam bots to avoid pointless forum drama. 

Quickscammer has been fired for posting lies constantly. This thread is another example of such.

I would rather see a merit source plunging their merits to a lot of people than a merit source who does not maximize their merit allocation. I don't even know why being generous is a problem here since at first all we yapping about is there isn't enough merits being circulated in the forum now we are complaining about merit sources being to generous with what they are sending. We shouldn't be too suspicious everytime we see an abnormal amount being sent by a merit source, they won't even be a merit source without theymos' approval in the first place.

If Vod would give 1 merit instead of 50 to people who support him, would it be OK?
What a shitstorm in recent days on Bitcointalk... Maybe some people involved need to take a short break and come back to forum with cool heads after few days. Just my 2 cents Satoshies

The question now is how to get those 50 merits, do I need to support him too lol because some of us truely need it. If I recall clearly there isn't a rule on amount of smerits to award to reply you feel contributed positively to a discussion i.e replies that aren't spam. We award merit based on our smerit capacity.

Honestly vod isn't giving merit for supporting himself i think. It doesn't matter if you feel that someones post worthy of having 50 merits or more. Because merits are for encouraging someone for quality works not for store. If you have plenty of merits then its not unfair to encourage someone by giving him as a reward which will obviously boost up his future contribution on forum. 

Isn't it better to give it Someone rather than dry it?  If a merit source haven't got enough time to spend his monthly allocation then if he send this to a user who will share it with others there's nothing wrong IMO. Because recipient will spend it on forum not in the moon.  

No shit sherlock.

Thank you!  I have never been able to exhaust my supply, no matter how much merit I hand out.  I can't afford to spend eight hours a day looking.


You suggesting I'm breaking some rule, dog?

I had not seen that post.

Presumably, Vod is purposefully giving merit inappropriately in an effort to get fired as a merit source, instead of resigning with grace. 

A live look at our neighbor to the north.



In all seriousness.  Vod, I never had any intention of leading you down this path you've taken.  I'm truly sorry.  I would have never offered to sponsor your project if I knew it would result in you throwing away a reputation you've tried so hard to maintain for so long.  I really did try to save you from walking down this path, not once, but twice.  Please take a step away from your computer.  Go grab a beer and a sandwich, and watch some sports.  Maybe make some jerky or some other man shit to get feeling good again.  I even feel bad at this point.  No honest person could support your behavior.  I hope you understand that.

I disagree, my post was fucking funny and true, driving about the Costa del sol at 3am trying to find somewhere that sold some dodgy flavour of ice cream, yes that pissed me off, have you ever dealt with a pregnant woman having a craving for something? You jump up say yes my love then swear about them in the car for 30 mins whilst doing what they want. But you know qs Bill gator is even more annoying than that

Just for clarification,



I think Quickseller got your answer from here.

This might be the strategic method to his madness.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51050345

None of your posts contribute positively and you reasonably don't deserve forum membership.

So if I reduce the merit, will you leave?

Or should you stop talking about things you know nothing about?

I don’t believe I have ever given away 50 merit to anyone in a single transaction nor in a single month.

I also don’t give out merit based on the position they have in a dispute. You are going to have to provide an example of either of these things happening.

You are also a merit source, who should be held to a higher standard.

None of the posts you recently gave the remaining balance of the maximum merit you can give in a month reasonably deserve that much merit.

If my instincts are correct, Vod is probably reassessing his commitment to bitcointalk and may be having a case of the "fuck its" right now.  He already posted that he doesn't want to be on DT or a merit source anymore, and he might be dumping his sMerits as a means of relieving frustration, if you can understand that.  Though Vod isn't voicing it, I think he's in a lot of turmoil right now.  This forum obviously means a lot to him, and I say that based on posts he's made in the past.  When you start detaching from something that's been near and dear to you for years, well...you can do strange things--actions sometimes speak louder than words, and it seems like Vod is doing this stuff in lieu of writing about whatever he's actually feeling.

That's my armchair psychology interpretation.  I hate to see DT, merit sources, and various respected members in so much turmoil.  I get that we're at each other's throats a lot, but usually we can just brush it off and not take it to the next level.  It seems like lately things are being taken to the next level--and I don't think they need to be.

As far as the 50 merit grants by Vod, it's a minor issue.  If he doesn't want to be a source anymore, there's no point in making a big deal out of it.  Theymos could easily rescind those merits if he felt they were wrongly given.  In any case, Vod isn't going to get negged for giving too many merits, nor is he going to suffer any other consequences.  It's a non-issue.

Maybe he is a bit crumpy because of running out of his merits !

And every Merit Source has his one way to spend there Merits  and before they expire they give it away !

One of you has double the earned merit as the other.

And I have seen you give away merit (the max you owned) to people that support your position.   

Difference?

He is giving away 50 merit (the monthly maximum) to anyone supporting his position.

Take it up with Theymos, you idiot.

So you are saying that if his post wasn't about OG than you wouldn't be knocking him since you are an OG supporter?

For the record I support OG in 99.99% of the time cause 99.99% of the time he is right I find

If he wasn't a merit source it would be okay for him to give away his merit as he sees fit correct?

Who is to say that 50 merit he gave came from his earned smerit

Vod is giving multiple people 50 merit for very low effort posts (they are on topic and not necessarily wrong) in a thread discussing something that reflects on him poorly. He is giving away merit to people supporting him.

I am referring to this thread. Although he is also giving 50 merit to others who have recently supported him.

His status as a merit source should be revoked and reversing the merit transactions should be considered.