Vod is Trust abuser ( false arguments and lies) - page 4.

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Quote from: Vod on March 13, 2019, 12:02:19 AM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 12, 2019, 06:12:48 PM

He was trying to buy bitcoin while using an on-forum escrow, so I just can't see where the scam attempt is. Anyone see anything that I'm missing?

Yes. He disputes the wire transfer after the escrow releases the coin.

Wire transfers cannot be reversed in most cases, and doing so is not trivial as it is to dispute a PP or a credit card payment.

Obviously a sender of a wire transfer can take the recipient to court if he wants to claim he was defrauded, but that is also true for all other payment methods.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 12, 2019, 06:12:48 PM

He was trying to buy bitcoin while using an on-forum escrow, so I just can't see where the scam attempt is. Anyone see anything that I'm missing?

Yes. He disputes the wire transfer after the escrow releases the coin.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 12, 2019, 06:12:48 PM

IdiotCoder's feedback is showing up as trusted for me, so it might be similar for him--don't know if OP has a custom trust list or not.

For me too, although he has since removed his review. IdiotCoder is DT2 by way of gmaxwell

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-09_Sat_06.16h/11425.html

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 12, 2019, 06:12:48 PM

I looked at OP's currency exchange thread, and I'm honestly not sure why he got negs from Vod and IdiotCoder. He wasn't exactly trying to buy bitcoin with PayPal as a noob, which IMO might be worthy of a negative. He was trying to buy bitcoin while using an on-forum escrow, so I just can't see where the scam attempt is. Anyone see anything that I'm missing?

Those payment types are not completely safe. It would take a lot of work to reverse some of those payments, but scammers have put in a lot of work for far less than $25k.

Quote from: IdiotCoder on March 12, 2019, 06:24:04 PM

It seems that "Rambotnic" is one of your alts because I got neg trusted twice in a row.

Yes I noticed that, referencing a thread in which you offer services, where he has not posted. Very suspicious timing.

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looks like he removed his feedback, now seems like a good time to remove yours too and call it a day, i suggest you pm Vod and ask why he gave you that ratting, i honestly think there was nothing wrong with your wtb topic, as long as you did not offer paypal for payment and you were accepting escrow, i personally would not trust a newbie wanting to buy that much btc , but i certainly wouldn't tag you for that.

edit :

well i just found this

Quote from: https://help.mollie.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000796469-What-do-I-need-to-know-about-reversals-of-SEPA-Direct-Debit-transactions-

A SEPA Direct Debit transaction can be reversed up to 8 weeks after the date of direct debit. Reversing a payment is in most cases easy to do. There are quite a few banks that offer reversal without stating a reason through the online banking environment. This means that it can often be hard to discover the reason for reversal.

I did not know about SEPA being easily reversed, but i know for sure it's very-very difficult to reverse a wire transfer, and in most cases that person who received the money has to "agree" to that reverse.

i think there is some reasonable suspicion about you here, now if you are legit, i suggest you find a good OTC group, and try to buy btc for cash or simply through the bank.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 12, 2019, 09:40:43 PM

I'd suggest to just delete it and take the high road.

Agree, and for the same reason. I guess we're trying to move away from leaving negs for what anyone posts that isn't a scam or is truly untrustworthy, and in this case whatever was said sounds like trolling. That shouldn't rise to the level of deserving a neg, IMO.

OP, do what you like but Theymos wants people to bury the hatchet in situations such as this. You're probably really pissed off right now, but in a month or so you'll probably have forgotten all about Rambotnic and/or his alt accounts, and even what piqued your ire here. Retaliatory negs are pretty much frowned upon, so maybe just think it over.

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Quote from: IdiotCoder on March 12, 2019, 08:05:49 PM

I'll delete my original feedback and post new red trust explaining his vulgar messages to me.

I'd suggest to just delete it and take the high road. If you re-post another neg feedback it will look like you are retaliating...

I know it's annoying to have a pest like Rambotnic post nonsense in your feedback but no one really would take it seriously. So don't feed the troll and let him look like the idiot (pun intended).

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Quote from: HCP on March 12, 2019, 07:50:18 PM

I'm not sure I understand why the OP got given a red trust in the first place? He put up a post (unedited as far as I can tell) wanting to buy BTC using Bank Wire/SEPA... and stated he only wanted to use a trusted forum escrow...

A bunch of people start going on about only using trusted escrows, and then condoras pops up questioning how legit the OP is and then it descends into "I'm more legit than you'll ever be"/"Go spam someone else's thread" type silliness, until IdiotCoder pops up with "enjoy your red trust"...

To wit, IdiotCoder's trust states:

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Newbie asking for high volume PP trade.

I have not seen anything in the thread that indicated that the guy was asking for a Paypal (PP) trade? Huh

And as far as I'm aware... a bank wire transfer is pretty much regarded as being irreversible unless fraud can be proven and both banks involved agree and the funds haven't already been disbursed.

Honestly I thought Bank transfers could be reversed. I'm not in Europe so I don't know how it works. I would remove my red trust but after making violent posts against me, I'll delete my original feedback and post new red trust explaining his vulgar messages to me.

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I'm not sure I understand why the OP got given a red trust in the first place? He put up a post (unedited as far as I can tell) wanting to buy BTC using Bank Wire/SEPA... and stated he only wanted to use a trusted forum escrow...

A bunch of people start going on about only using trusted escrows, and then condoras pops up questioning how legit the OP is and then it descends into "I'm more legit than you'll ever be"/"Go spam someone else's thread" type silliness, until IdiotCoder pops up with "enjoy your red trust"...

To wit, IdiotCoder's trust states:

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Newbie asking for high volume PP trade.

I have not seen anything in the thread that indicated that the guy was asking for a Paypal (PP) trade? Huh

And as far as I'm aware... a bank wire transfer is pretty much regarded as being irreversible unless fraud can be proven and both banks involved agree and the funds haven't already been disbursed.

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Quote from: IdiotCoder on March 12, 2019, 06:32:12 PM

Can staff give me this person's IP so I can sue them in their country?

Says the guy who abuse the trust system with lies ? Cheesy

Where you see me offering paypal you moron ? Cheesy

Pathetic kids... Go cry to your mother now fraudster.

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Can staff give me this person's IP so I can sue them in their country?

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Quote from: IdiotCoder on March 12, 2019, 06:24:04 PM

I left you negative feedback because your a newbie asking to buy a large amount of bitcoin with a reversable payment system. I never sold my account. Please stop making false accusations or I will sue you in your jurisdiction.

It seems that "Rambotnic" is one of your alts because I got neg trusted twice in a row.

Ramwho ? I don't need alts, I have just one account and I totally doing nothing wrong.
I do not care who neg trusted you, but I believe there will be many people tagging you with that lies and attitude.
If I "touch" your scamming business somehow and you want to kick off the competition you are welcome son.

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The funny part is I did nothing wrong and everyone tag me for nothing with lies?

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on March 12, 2019, 06:12:48 PM

Anyone see anything that I'm missing?

V-Power sounds a lot like Rambotnic. Not quite Thule-level of sockpuppeting, so I'm not gonna neg-trust, but I'd say it's a 75% chance.

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Quote from: IdiotCoder on March 12, 2019, 06:24:04 PM

It seems that "Rambotnic" is one of your alts because I got neg trusted twice in a row.

There you go...

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I left you negative feedback because your a newbie asking to buy a large amount of bitcoin with a reversable payment system. I never sold my account. Please stop making false accusations or I will sue you in your jurisdiction.

It seems that "Rambotnic" is one of your alts because I got neg trusted twice in a row.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on March 12, 2019, 05:41:36 PM

The feedback left by IdiotCoder is not an accusation of being a scammer. It is a warning to others to be more cautious when making a deal with you because you are a newbie asking to buy a big amount of btc.

You have to care more about the feedback left by Vod because he is a DT member.

IdiotCoder's feedback is showing up as trusted for me, so it might be similar for him--don't know if OP has a custom trust list or not.

I looked at OP's currency exchange thread, and I'm honestly not sure why he got negs from Vod and IdiotCoder. He wasn't exactly trying to buy bitcoin with PayPal as a noob, which IMO might be worthy of a negative. He was trying to buy bitcoin while using an on-forum escrow, so I just can't see where the scam attempt is. Anyone see anything that I'm missing?

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Quote from: khaled0111 on March 12, 2019, 05:41:36 PM

The feedback left by IdiotCoder is not an accusation that you are a scammer. It is a warning to others to be more cautious when making a deal with you because you are a newbie asking to buy a big amount of btc.

You have to care more about the feedback left by Vod because he is a DT member.

I never ever offered paypal? That's why I am calling it abusive and fake ?
Do you see me anywhere offering PayPal? I don't think so.
I would never offer any payment method that's not secure for the seller also.
He's abusing the trust system and lying.
Also I am not sure how he even have the "powers" to put negative feedback visible for everyone consider he's liar, abuser and fraudster?

And that pedophile Vod is leaving me negative feedback for nothing?
What kind of forum is that ? All fraudsters and trust abusers?
You can't call randomly a scammer every single person just like that for no reason or no proofs?

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The feedback left by IdiotCoder is not an accusation of being a scammer. It is a warning to others to be more cautious when making a deal with you because you are a newbie asking to buy a big amount of btc.

You have to care more about the feedback left by Vod because he is a DT member.

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Interesting, I open a thread about buying some coins off any method that the buyer needs.
Of course offered escrow from this forum for security and then some Tinder spammer came in spamming my thread.
That's okay I don't mind spammers, but them some fraudster a trust abuser came in and from noting and for nothing leave me negative feedback ?
Why people giving powers to trust abusers and how that guy even have that powers?
His account details were also changed soon so it may be bought account ?
That's my thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtb-btc-up-to-25-30k-eur-5112067
And that's the trust abuser: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/idiotcoder-932936
Is there still people around who care bout this forum and not letting some jerks to ruin people sales?

Or normal people like me who seek for normal sales with escrows are no more welcome ?

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