Volatility Indicator | Bitcointalksearch.org

awik p

full member

Activity: 1526

Merit: 111

Pepemo.vip

Quote from: ajochems on August 10, 2021, 02:47:37 PM

Quote from: palle11 on August 10, 2021, 08:15:17 AM

Quote from: jackg on July 08, 2021, 08:42:23 PM

I'm sure I heard someone talk about bollinger bands or something for doing this. If the price is outside of the band, the asset is volatile.

Bollinger band don't look perfect for this because it is not an indicator to rely on for proper direction. Some times working with it you can be correct and other time it will fall. Also you can hardly predict when the volatility of the market has ended but you keep being in the market, this is risky to use but if it can be combined with others, then you can manage on it , Bollinger is a lagging type of indicator.

Volatile was based on the coin which you had invested.Most of potential coin will have good volatile.So check the volatile before investing ,or else you can't exchange later.Some people without seeing all this invest their money and cry in the future after the loss.Don't risk in the future,just inverse your money and hold .When the market get into the pump,you can sell your valuable coin.

To avoid disappointment, I think we should not rush to invest, but we must study it first so that we know the characteristics of the volatile pair we are investing in. that way we will dare to hold it indefinitely because no one knows when the bullrun will happen

LongStand

member

Activity: 154

Merit: 10

Volatility indicator is a measuring tool. Only if the data is shown in specified visual forms, volatility indicator identifies the extent to which price moves over time, producing non-directional information. High volatility generates bigger extremes in greed and fear, which has a significant impact on options pricing and market mood.

milewilda

legendary

Activity: 3094

Merit: 1127

-Bollinger Bands
-Moving Averages
-Average True Range

These are the indicators that i do make use together with those trend lines and support/resitances and Rsi's.

jackg

copper member

Activity: 2856

Merit: 3071

https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: palle11 on August 10, 2021, 08:15:17 AM

Quote from: jackg on July 08, 2021, 08:42:23 PM

I'm sure I heard someone talk about bollinger bands or something for doing this. If the price is outside of the band, the asset is volatile.

Bollinger band don't look perfect for this because it is not an indicator to rely on for proper direction. Some times working with it you can be correct and other time it will fall. Also you can hardly predict when the volatility of the market has ended but you keep being in the market, this is risky to use but if it can be combined with others, then you can manage on it , Bollinger is a lagging type of indicator.

Yeah you wouldn't rely on one thing at once though when it comes to indicators. Some are a bit more accurate but they're best being put together.

And yes I know the stratefy with bollinger bands is said to be to buy a breakout and it's one of the reasons I didn't mention that part of the strategy for the number of times it likely fails - especially if too many people are looking at that same indicator. Breaking out and then going back inside the indicator probably means volatility went up though - but still less reliable than volume.

ajochems

hero member

Activity: 1305

Merit: 511

Quote from: palle11 on August 10, 2021, 08:15:17 AM

Quote from: jackg on July 08, 2021, 08:42:23 PM

I'm sure I heard someone talk about bollinger bands or something for doing this. If the price is outside of the band, the asset is volatile.

Bollinger band don't look perfect for this because it is not an indicator to rely on for proper direction. Some times working with it you can be correct and other time it will fall. Also you can hardly predict when the volatility of the market has ended but you keep being in the market, this is risky to use but if it can be combined with others, then you can manage on it , Bollinger is a lagging type of indicator.

Volatile was based on the coin which you had invested.Most of potential coin will have good volatile.So check the volatile before investing ,or else you can't exchange later.Some people without seeing all this invest their money and cry in the future after the loss.Don't risk in the future,just inverse your money and hold .When the market get into the pump,you can sell your valuable coin.

coinplsresearch

newbie

Activity: 2

Merit: 0

IMO, Market manipulations and Strong sentiments will cause pumps and dumps
You can't get away with the systematic risk like stock market crash or KOL's negative speech.

But you can front run some market manipulation.
Since bitcoin is highly leveraged, when there's imbalance long-short ratio + high open interest
Big players will likely to trade against retail investors, and make profit from liquidations.

For example:
When long-short ratio and open interest is much higher than average.
That means a lot more people are longing bitcoin.

https://coinpls.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/tradingview_dashboard.png

You can see from the image i share in above link, the long-short ratio is super high before it get crash.

You can also check orderbook + trades history,
when orderbook get thinner and imbalance. (There's too much order accumulated on one side)
And trade volume is low, it could be a good time for market manipulation.

For finding long-short ratio and open interest, there's free data available from Binance.
https://www.binance.com/en/futures/funding-history/4

*long-short ratio = accounts with long position / accounts with short position
*open interest = opening contract amount nominated in USD.

Let me know if this is helpful for you.

palle11

sr. member

Activity: 2366

Merit: 332

Quote from: jackg on July 08, 2021, 08:42:23 PM

I'm sure I heard someone talk about bollinger bands or something for doing this. If the price is outside of the band, the asset is volatile.

Bollinger band don't look perfect for this because it is not an indicator to rely on for proper direction. Some times working with it you can be correct and other time it will fall. Also you can hardly predict when the volatility of the market has ended but you keep being in the market, this is risky to use but if it can be combined with others, then you can manage on it , Bollinger is a lagging type of indicator.

LongStand

member

Activity: 154

Merit: 10

The volatility indicator is a fundamental indicator that shows how much a securities deviates from its mean price, both upper and lower. The lowest volatility over certain periods is sometimes a forerunner to an impending change to high volatility, which manifests itself in trend movement and trading signals.

leea-1334

hero member

Activity: 2338

Merit: 953

Temporary forum vacation

Quote from: sana54210 on July 12, 2021, 03:03:20 PM

Think about it this way, if volatility is usually down at X time of the day but then there is a big whale that sells or buys at exactly same hour just because that is when he was awake and willing to do it, then suddenly all of your situation changes, that is not something that I would support for anyone to do, it is not really a good thing because anything could change at any moment. This is why I believe we should be focusing on more about the directions and not the patterns since it is not really healthy to expect everything to go the same way.

I believe the exchanges actually used to do this,,, as in, put in large orders from their clients, at a fixed time of day, and then start matching them live with the orderbooks to see what is on the table. This was mistaken as whale accounts as it was just the exchanges themselves filling orders for business clients.

I think now they are smarter about that,,, so we do not see it anymore. Every exchange now understands the impact on volatility to not do their business visibly or on the chain (hence Binance their own Chain now).

Ararbermas

sr. member

Activity: 2016

Merit: 283

On this current situation of market, perhaps the best indicators to use are, Bollinger, Stochastic, super trend, Macd and you can add ichimuko clouds to determine the real direction of the candles in my opinion . But remember this are not accurate indicators sometimes because of the market situation that becomes so unpredictable .. If you want to use this tools i suggest it will be better if you'll just use it for shorting to avoid losses.. Because base on my experience while using these indicators there's always a false information. So combine it and do it for gaining quick profits to keep your profits safe.

sana54210

legendary

Activity: 3318

Merit: 1128

Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 08, 2021, 08:26:35 PM

I am currently experimenting with a small business.

What my goal is;
I need to know the time for the day (or specific time) that the volatility is very low (the price of crypto is sideways, no huge dumps/no huge pumps).

So, I am looking for any indicator or tool for analyzing the chart.

Any advice that can I use for what I need?

I would advise you to not make any decisions based on patterns because it may end up being not so profitable, that is what trading bots are based on and you can ask any trading bot owner and they will tell you that even though sometimes it hits there are times it misses as well and I can say that for myself as well anyway so why would pay for a bot.

Think about it this way, if volatility is usually down at X time of the day but then there is a big whale that sells or buys at exactly same hour just because that is when he was awake and willing to do it, then suddenly all of your situation changes, that is not something that I would support for anyone to do, it is not really a good thing because anything could change at any moment. This is why I believe we should be focusing on more about the directions and not the patterns since it is not really healthy to expect everything to go the same way.

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 10, 2021, 06:04:13 PM

Wow, another cool source and data, I can also the fees data here and especially I am more looking into Ethereum/Ethereum network.
So, as you said "13 UTC to 18 UTC is the best time", by this means, if the average hourly fee, that's the time that there more high chances that the price is stable (non-volatile)?

I got troubles with Ethereum data in the past and can manage to run analysis on my computer with 1-month data only.

13 UTC to 18 UTC is the result from my analysis for Bitcoin transaction fee, not for Ethereum's but you can see those articles found similar things on Ethereum network.

Transaction fees have inversed correlation with trading activities and probably price movements as well.

13 UTC - 18 UTC is worst hours everyday to move your Bitcoin.
See the table for second part, intra-day.
My methodology is:
- I calculated
  - Average transaction fees over every specific hour within every day
  - Average transaction fee of each day
- Compare [1] to [2], then get that table
- Similar methodology for intra-week
So it might result in the potential best hours to enjoy more volatility on the market. Just my guess.

I found my previous post by which I said my troubles to export data from Trading view. If you know how to do this, please share.

GreatArkansas

legendary

Activity: 2506

Merit: 1394

Quote from: tranthidung on July 10, 2021, 06:46:04 AM

From data & my analysis, Wednesday and Thursday seems to be the best in each week. In every day, it seems hours from 13 UTC to 18 UTC can be the best. Naively speaking!

My finding tends to match with

Here are the best and worst times of the day to use Ethereum (notes the increase from 1 to 6 PM)
Others article about ETH
- When is the best time to send Ethereum transactions?
- Ethereum: how to save even more on gas price with a weekly plan (details for hours and days of week)

[img width=500]https://s3.cointelegraph.com/uploads/2021-01/2a2b7555-c10d-4a65-a812-6f5fb8b32b81.png[/center]

Wow, another cool source and data, I can also the fees data here and especially I am more looking into Ethereum/Ethereum network.
So, as you said "13 UTC to 18 UTC is the best time", by this means, if the average hourly fee, that's the time that there more high chances that the price is stable (non-volatile)?

Quote from: Zilon on July 10, 2021, 07:08:46 AM

This would be a different task and even if an indicator surfaces it would need to undergo regorous experiments to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that it can stand in for all market conditions with different sessions and conditions.
(....)

That what a chart indicator is, it's just a tool that will help us to analyze, especially on technical analysis, we can't be guaranteed 100% sure there, it will only help to our decision. Just like combining multiple indicators is also possible.

Zilon

sr. member

Activity: 966

Merit: 421

Bitcoindata.science

This would be a different task and even if an indicator surfaces it would need to undergo regorous experiments to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that it can stand in for all market conditions with different sessions and conditions. I see this as a beautiful task for traders to embark on because it would boast our profit margin and keep our gains in check.

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 10, 2021, 12:17:15 AM

Thanks for this data tranthidung, from your kind of data, the higher value is, the more volatile?

You are welcome.

I meant that data is about transaction fee on Bitcoin network only. It might or might not correlate with price volatilty. If it has correlation, strong or weak, I don't know.

Naively observation is fee tends to increase when more people are trading, the opening time of US market, ie. Additionally, when Bitcoin has significant movements, it seems transaction fee increasing as well.

From data & my analysis, Wednesday and Thursday seems to be the best in each week. In every day, it seems hours from 13 UTC to 18 UTC can be the best. Naively speaking!

My finding tends to match with

Here are the best and worst times of the day to use Ethereum (notes the increase from 1 to 6 PM)
Others article about ETH
- When is the best time to send Ethereum transactions?
- Ethereum: how to save even more on gas price with a weekly plan (details for hours and days of week)

I remember I run a pilot analysis for @fillipone elsewhere about price and time for a few weeks of data (I don't remember where it is now).

Gozie51

hero member

Activity: 2660

Merit: 630

Vave.com - Crypto Casino

Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 08, 2021, 08:26:35 PM

So, I am looking for any indicator or tool for analyzing the chart.

Any advice that can I use for what I need?

Analysing the chart is the big challenge that learner's and novice like us also face that makes hodling preference lol. Anyway, I'm yet to understand the chart reading or timing and hours for it as some users have suggested. Sometimes watching the price movement, it seem less volatile during the early hours in the morning 12am to 6am but on other times it looks volatile and this is confusing. This is challenging to make one think there could be a pump going on without my knowledge, scary lol.

semobo

full member

Activity: 1498

Merit: 146

Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 08, 2021, 08:26:35 PM

I am currently experimenting with a small business.

What my goal is;
I need to know the time for the day (or specific time) that the volatility is very low (the price of crypto is sideways, no huge dumps/no huge pumps).

So, I am looking for any indicator or tool for analyzing the chart.

Any advice that can I use for what I need?

First of all Good luck to your experiment, if you find anything interesting don't forget to reveal the secret. Cheesy

From my knowledge I never noticed that price of bitcoin is stable at anytime even on the p2p it keep changing no matter whether its an early morning or the lunch time or 12 AM so I just sell when I wanted or when I see the price which met my satisfaction.

hugeblack

legendary

Activity: 2702

Merit: 4002

Do not expect to find excellent results if you decide that the conversion is fixed and not subject to renewal in the variables, meaning that you study the previous data and then decide that the best day is Tuesday from five in the evening until ten.
You need an administration that manages forecasts and updates them continuously, not indicators or technical analysis tools.
Remember that bitcoin network tx fees may be another problem that increases some hidden fees and thus reduces your profits.
In general, I think that Sunday is ideal for those who want to buy and sell.

crwth

copper member

Activity: 2940

Merit: 1280

https://linktr.ee/crwthopia

Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on July 09, 2021, 06:58:13 PM

From my past observations, serious price movements seem to start on Wednesday and Sunday.

It's almost always correlated with our payday with BC. Lol, at times I noticed that when we're about to get paid, the prices get higher (less BTC to receive) but during Sundays, it goes down. Lol.

For OP, maybe trading between Monday and Tuesdays can be effective since it's the least movement of the market?

Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on July 09, 2021, 06:58:13 PM

Try this tool: https://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volatility/24h/USD

This is interesting. Thank you.

Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 10, 2021, 12:17:15 AM

Thanks for all, @crwth and @jackg, I am currently trying a combination of bol Bollinger bands with Average True Range (ATR) indicator, I find Average True Range (ATR) much better for me than Average Directional Index (ADX), although they have almost the same.

I hope that in some way it helped. It's never too late to experiment on these types of things.

Quote from: Kittygalore on July 10, 2021, 12:41:35 AM

Would this be labor intensive though? Because I am sure that it's going be a lot of analysis and would it be cost effective for OP because he/she is still experimenting on a business idea.

He did ask what type of indicators check volatility. It's up to him to whether or not he will pursue and do it continuously.

buwaytress

legendary

Activity: 2968

Merit: 3684

Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!

Quote from: GreatArkansas on July 10, 2021, 12:17:15 AM

Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on July 09, 2021, 06:58:13 PM

Try this tool: https://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volatility/24h/USD

Woah, this is another great tool. I can use this to identify which hours are more volatile, but it's difficult if it will do the same on the next day, like today, around 10 am - 1 pm less volatile, then tomorrow there's also a possibility that it will be the same.

Hey I learn something new myself. Would probably need to do your own tracking, feeding off this data here for a period of time before identifying if the pattern is repeatable and if so, consistently or not. My guess is that there are long periods where volatility is of a repeatable pattern until something else in the market disrupts that. The past couple of months would appear ideal for such a pattern, but that could quickly change if sentiment changes drastically.

Topic: Volatility Indicator (Read 298 times)