Topic: Wages Declined As Immigration Population Increased in US (Read 1273 times)

saddam, you think that it would be better for society if no more immigrants were allowed into the country, yet you admit that companies would lose profit as a result (through higher wages and less productivity), correct?

What sort of effect would banning immigration have on the overall economy? I think it would probably be disastrous, causing huge numbers of companies to relocate, and/or increase the cost of their product/service to consumers. Some companies would go bust. Available jobs and living standards would fall as a result.

What would be your solution to this? Or, what do you think would happen to the economy with a ban on immigration?

Well i'm not racist and i'm not even live on the States, but i have my own believes and faith, and just with a quick look you can know that indeed we are not the same!, the races have not the same predisposed habits, every race can be the same but with a guided spiritual social - orientation to print principles and values, and that obviously is not happening even on the United States.

Seeing this from a sociologist eye, you can clearly see that when every ethnic group is grouped in a community with just "liberty" and no guide, each of them tends to act different in a scale of bad-good behavior, taking bad or good as the possibly outcome of their actions, if they benefit 3rd persons or if they hurt physically or socially 3rd persons.

The "Blacks" neighborhoods are clearly characterized by extreme violence, gangs, people who don't "produce" anything to the community, they are violent with each other, and with white people, why they choose to live like this if they are ruled by the same laws?. They have practically an auto-destructive behavior.
There are many groups who have been "bullied" by the people around them but when they are on their community, they are very friendly between them, so Blacks neighborhoods are not violent between them because of the outside racism they had once.

There are many groups of people who claim to be the "victims" of x system or group but then you discover they are worse than their "victimizers" between them, i'm speaking about groups who claim poverty, lack of opportunities, etc..

I think that the tendency to evil-good is predisposed on the ADN, and without a guide, the groups just tend to do what they have "written".
This cannot be explained with actual social protocols or principles.. but it exist.

So i will say what once i read, that Black people are paying a long time karma they got for doing a disastrous and dreadful evil that i will not name here, some remnants of that are their original believes they carry from Africa and some of them still practiced it on the States; Voodoo Magic , i'm not going to say if its real or not, just analyze the true behavior behind that "trying to telepathically hurt someone, in the most coward form, using a doll representing the victim while he won't even know whos attacking him".

Clearly that debt is almost finished as we can see this group of people now on many good social countries like America on this days.

cheers

I'm talking about immigrants in general, ethnic and religious issues lets leave for a different topic

If he buys food, he gives money to the bakery or restaurant and that money is filling the cash desk of the owner who is also paying taxes. You pay taxes almost in everything even if you are not doing it directly.

I've never said that we have to accept ill conditions or work like they do in China but some improvements must be made, also in use of time work.

I'm talking about immigrants in general, ethnic and religious issues lets leave for a different topic

there's no vat (sales tax) on food and transport. the £1,000 or so a minimum wage immigrant might pay in income tax nowhere near makes up for the cost of paying jobseekers allowance and housing benefit to the british worker he put out of a job.

the difference is i see things that drive down our workers' wages and rights as negatives that we should be guarding against and you appear to be saying we must accept these changes and resign ourselves to working harder for less until our pay and conditions converge somewhere in the middle with those of china

if that birthrate is going to be made up mostly of blacks and muslims (as it currently is) i'd rather just have fewer people

If that immigrant has a legal job, lives in apartment, buys food, goes on a subway or bus, that means he pays taxes like everyone else in country.

Firstly why do You need to insult Polish people? Secondly if a company allows slower working pace then her competitiveness weakens, if that happens you don't need to look for competition in China because another company in neighbourhood will dominate the first one.
Thirdly here's an article about Polish workers in UK

And finally Europe society is getting older every year so young immigrants that want to integrate will bring new children in the future keeping birth rates high

the cost of keeping a native brit on welfare who lost out on a potential minimum wage job to an immigrant is not going to be met by whatever taxes that immigrant pays. that immigrant has now become a drain on us all.

let them make do with the slightly slower , lazier british worker who demands his rights as they always did before the option of employing harder working desperate polacks existed.

This study had nothing to do with future pensions. Granted, because the majority of the immigrants in these 10 years were young, they would not currently be claiming pensions, and some of the £600b drain will be from older native Britons' pensions. All the research says is that in these 10 years immigrants contributed to the economy, while natives drained it massively.

The social cost of native unemployment is nothing to do with immigration, it is to do with the companies that employ immigrants. As I said earlier, if they didn't have access to cheap labour, they wouldn't be as successful and would lose money or relocate, meaning less jobs. The solution to this would be to put more investment into education, so our native workers had similar education levels as immigrants.

The report also estimates that the influx of educated EU immigrants over the 10 years saved the taxpayer £8.5b in education costs, in addition to the £20b+ in taxes.

Have you got a source that explains why the reason for these problems is definitely immigrants? While they may be contributing to the problem of low pay, I would say that the crony capitalism we've seen since 2008 has had a far greater effect on the general economy, sucking money from the poor and middle class to line the pockets of the rich and powerful. Also take into account that people are living longer, the austerity measures that have been introduced to try and keep the debt in check, and the fact that many UK jobs are low paid and service based.

i would deport most non whites. high iq non race mixing asians and orientals could stay.

seen this bullshit "research" before and imagine we could find similar for the usa if we look hard enough. they arrive at these numbers by assuming immigrants will never claim pensions and ignoring the social cost of the unemployment among the native population they cause.

First of all immigrants are all kind of races, also white (manly from eastern Europe). As for "spics working in call centers or your local starbucks" those people are doing jobs that "unemployed americans or kids leaving school" don't want to do.