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April 04, 2024, 01:41:23 PM
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Those who follow the right method in trading get something from future trades. And those who rush after using the right method often end up losing money. I have seen many traders who are very experienced but they are losing money i.e. not following proper set up, specific strategy in trading basically lack of patience. Also I have seen many people come to trading first and make some money in the initial stage and think they are very wise, at some point they lose all their money. The key to trading is patience and greed control. If a trader can control everything in himself then he can earn something by trading in future.
A Smart traders don't make stupid decisions and for sure, they always think about it many times before executing the plan. Those people you say are "experienced traders", perhaps they are but still never change their behavior and correct their mistakes that is why they keep losing rather than earning. Not a surprise indeed because whether we like it or not, many people are still in control of if their emotions and greed. And no matter what they do and no matter how long they've been trading, this never changes their position. Who they are in the start, they remain the same forever.
I believe that it is going to take a while for us to get here, there aren't really anything that we could consider as more important, we should definitely consider the possibility of something like this as very important if we could make it work.

I personally believe that if you could make a "correct" setup, that would be a first in the history of trading, because most of the time we are talking about just changing dynamic markets, which means that everything changes based on that. Let it be and you will get better, do not focus yourself on too much with this stuff and you will do a lot better. I believe that the best thing we could do right now would be arranging something that should not be all that hard to handle.
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April 04, 2024, 12:42:48 PM
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Who they are in the start, they remain the same forever.
A trader who cannot learn from the mistakes they make will be very difficult for that person to be able to make a profit from their trading.

The plot twist is this. As a beginner trader, you don't even know or you don't have a concise idea what your setup is or how it is panning out. So early on, on your career, expect many losses. Because you need to lose a lot, and learn from those losses. That will build your frame of trading and references of how you are going to read the market in the future. Those references will lead and help you when to engage and when not to engage the market. Because as we all know.

You can spend 10,00 hours practicing and backtesting the wrong thing so be careful also of what type of trading you are submitting to.
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April 04, 2024, 12:32:53 PM
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A Smart traders don't make stupid decisions and for sure, they always think about it many times before executing the plan. Those people you say are "experienced traders", perhaps they are but still never change their behavior and correct their mistakes that is why they keep losing rather than earning. Not a surprise indeed because whether we like it or not, many people are still in control of if their emotions and greed. And no matter what they do and no matter how long they've been trading, this never changes their position. Who they are in the start, they remain the same forever.
A trader who cannot learn from the mistakes they make will be very difficult for that person to be able to make a profit from their trading and it is impossible for them to be able to survive trading for long because they continuously experience losses from the trades they make so they choose to leave trading.
If someone cannot control their emotions when trading of course this will make them not analyze the market well and will make the wrong decisions from the trades they make and most of those who find it difficult to control their emotions when trading of course they will trade greedily and this will be very detrimental to themselves.
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April 04, 2024, 08:43:18 AM
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People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial magin.

But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.
Those who follow the right method in trading get something from future trades. And those who rush after using the right method often end up losing money. I have seen many traders who are very experienced but they are losing money i.e. not following proper set up, specific strategy in trading basically lack of patience. Also I have seen many people come to trading first and make some money in the initial stage and think they are very wise, at some point they lose all their money. The key to trading is patience and greed control. If a trader can control everything in himself then he can earn something by trading in future.
A Smart traders don't make stupid decisions and for sure, they always think about it many times before executing the plan. Those people you say are "experienced traders", perhaps they are but still never change their behavior and correct their mistakes that is why they keep losing rather than earning. Not a surprise indeed because whether we like it or not, many people are still in control of if their emotions and greed. And no matter what they do and no matter how long they've been trading, this never changes their position. Who they are in the start, they remain the same forever.
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April 04, 2024, 01:21:39 AM
#54
People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial magin.

But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.
Those who follow the right method in trading get something from future trades. And those who rush after using the right method often end up losing money. I have seen many traders who are very experienced but they are losing money i.e. not following proper set up, specific strategy in trading basically lack of patience. Also I have seen many people come to trading first and make some money in the initial stage and think they are very wise, at some point they lose all their money. The key to trading is patience and greed control. If a trader can control everything in himself then he can earn something by trading in future.
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April 03, 2024, 07:23:03 PM
#53
People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial magin.
Exactly, it's very risky, to have such believe, you are likely to have such kind lost. in fact, your entire life, if expectations are too high, the disappointment you will encounter will be high as well.

Using the right strategy in trading will reduce the risk a lot. These are generally classified as long term, medium term and short term. You will see strategies that require you to use a one-minute time limit. And also see the strategies that work best with a one-month time frame. It is not possible to change quickly in trade.
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April 03, 2024, 06:37:02 PM
#52
People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial magin.

But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.
Those who are experienced about trading never trade without proper setup. But people who trade without proper setup are mostly inexperienced in trading. I have seen many traders who consider themselves to be very knowledgeable traders who earn some money by doing a few trades on the trading platform. But after a few days it is seen that those traders lost their money and claimed themselves destitute. So it is very important to always follow the right set up and some important strategies for trading. Some of the important strategies include learning to analyze the market, proper setup, not being overly greedy, and not losing patience. If a trader can adopt all these strategies then I think he will not always lose from the trading platform and can definitely earn some money.
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April 03, 2024, 06:18:07 PM
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I guess every trader who ends up trading successfully has always been trading waiting for the right set-up or the perfect timing to trade. That’s how powerful patience is. Unfortunately, not all traders are patient enough to wait for the right set-up as they prefer to prioritize chasing more profits and not skip even a single trade.
Sure they do. It's not easy to win trades without being patient as this market is for the most patient people and if you're for the short term, you don't tell me how short that short term is. Because for the traders, there's always the span of how short they are and typically, that short term isn't really short term at all.

Greed is what they chose to follow in trading rather than being patient and disciplined. No wonder how those novice traders end up losing and quitting trading in the end.
And being greedy, they're the one choose their paths and the majority that are too quick and impatient are the ones that are losing.
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April 03, 2024, 01:29:48 AM
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I think that's a very good point you just pondered. We have to wait for the right time of the market and it's very important as you mentioned. Proper skills for the market judgement is very important for one to have a clear picture of when to trade and how to trade.

When you trade your coins in the right season, it will help you to make what you have never make before in the market, but if you trade in the wrong season in the market, it will make you to experience losses that will teach you a lesson never to trade in such season. If you look around the market very well, you will discover that those that have the trading knowledge always find themselves in profits making because they know when to trade and when not to trade in the market, but those who don't have the knowledge always feel you can trade all the time to make a good income. Before I trade my coins in the market, I must carry out research to know if the market price can give me what i want from my coins before I will embark on trading, and it has been helping me to always embrace good income from the market.
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April 02, 2024, 06:59:04 PM
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But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.
This is very true because, even with how many trade losses you did as long as you have stopped the loss and are not eager to get into a new trade, you will be profitable.
Sometimes 1 perfect trade will able to get your losses back, so at the end, you end up profitable as long as you waited for the right set-up and not chasing losses.
I guess every trader who ends up trading successfully has always been trading waiting for the right set-up or the perfect timing to trade. That’s how powerful patience is. Unfortunately, not all traders are patient enough to wait for the right set-up as they prefer to prioritize chasing more profits and not skip even a single trade. Greed is what they chose to follow in trading rather than being patient and disciplined. No wonder how those novice traders end up losing and quitting trading in the end.
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April 02, 2024, 04:27:28 PM
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People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial magin.

But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.
The right setup means the right preparation. Indeed, we don't have to be in the battleground if we are in incomplete gear. And just like in trading, we should not be trading if we are not fully equipped with knowledge, skill, and strategies. Unfortunately, the opposite thing happens in most traders, they start trading with an empty mind believing that trading is very easy. Such thinking will bring them to a losing scenario and blame.
Honestly, it was not an excuse because we are newbies as we can find ways to avoid major losses. Although losing is going to happen in trading, it doesn't mean we should just let it happen knowing that we can improve the situation.
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April 02, 2024, 10:05:02 AM
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People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial magin.
Whether we are involved in trading a lot or not really depends on how knowledgeable a person is about trading because if you don't have the knowledge then being involved in several trades will create problems that may result in losses. But if people understand investment patterns, taking a lot of trades is actually good, because when they lose on some trades, there are still some other trades left to recover those losses. The more trades we make, the greater the risks and when we understand how to trade, we may be better prepared to deal with the risks.

But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.
If people do daily trading then they are not only looking at the right settings to engage in trading because they are trading every day. Except for traders who make irregular trades and usually they look at the right timing so as not to make losses. Trading does require patience and knowledge because if we don't have it it will make the position much more detrimental.
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April 02, 2024, 08:15:54 AM
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People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial magin.

You can't do that if you're trading rightful, it's those traders that aren't trading in the right way that'll lose everything they have made from trading when one trade goes against them. Being a trader, we shouldn't trade without having our stop loss in place because when the market isn't going as we predicted, the stop loss will prevent us from losing too much. Stop loss will have you to regulate how much you want to risk losing when the market is going down. Waiting for the right set up of the market is a great advice as you don't have to be trading every time. Trading should only be carried out when you have studies the cryptocurrency pairs that you want to trade to see how they move in all market conditions before you buy or sell them. Waiting for the right market set ups prevent you from entering the market at a wrong time too.
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April 02, 2024, 06:28:21 AM
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People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial margin.

When you said waiting for the right setup, I actually did not understand. Did you mean a signal or something that would help the trader make money? or you are talking about someone to get the knowledge and skills of trading before joining the trading because the patience in trading is what some beginners do not have and they jump into it and then keep on losing. You will see someone who only learns a few things trying to trade, which is not a good practice because beginners need guidance and are supposed to be aware of the risk before they trade.

However, trading has a lot of risk that is associated to it, and someone can't be winning all the time. So the best thing as a trader is that if you can't afford to lose all the profit you get from your first trading then you use the amount you can afford to lose. so that you won't lose all your funds. but the problem many traders have difficult to overcome is greed and emotionally okay while trading, some think using huge amount of money will bring back huge profit which I won't argue, but the risk is something we should consider.

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But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly come out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.

exactly. Knowledge is very important, and it should be the first thing to get as a trader. However, trading all the time is not a big deal in my opinion. As long as you have the knowledge as a trader and you know what you are doing and how to handle the market when it changes, you are good to go, but if you don't have sufficient knowledge of trading, definitely trading cautiously is the best for you.
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April 02, 2024, 04:39:47 AM
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Well, in trading, you cannot be 100% accurate all the time. There are still times when you will think that you have seen a great opportunity to enter a trading position and make a profit. The moment you enter that trading position, the market can just take a big turn against you, and you will still end up losing. 

I am not doubting that there are times when the chance of making a profit is usually high and a risk is worth taking. Sometimes that opportunity can look very bright, but the moment you enter the trade, the reverse can be the case, and the trader will still face losses. 

As a trader, it's good to keep learning, master your strategy, and always readjust to changes. Look out for better trading opportunities, but always know that opportunities don't workout all the time. That's why I said, readjust to changes. 

It's right that there is always a certain amount of risk involved in trading. But trade without calculation is like betting where you just pick one and invest.You don't bother about the time, success rate etc. In betting you lose 100 times and win 2 times unless you have a very good fortune. There are traders who put their savings into the market and for them it's very important to calculate the risk involved and then make decisions.

You cannot just simply go during the halving approach of BTC and invest in it.Its obvious that the chart will go down and you'll lose your investment. It's better to invest after the dip is ended. So these types of strategies work and they should be looked after while trading.
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April 02, 2024, 12:21:46 AM
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But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market
I think whatever you said is true and I highly agree with it. A good trader often waits for the right opportunity and when he/she sees that opportunity then he/she makes a trade.

In my eyes, a good trader is like a good hunter, a good hunter waits for the right opportunity to attack the prey and in the same way a good trader waits for the right opportunity to make the trades.

Those traders who make many trades a day are the greedy fellows who can lose everything with a few wrong trades. So, it's 10x better to be patient trader than a greedy fellow.
I believe traders have known this from the start. That waiting for the perfect timing to trade is highly important, so one can maximize his profits and control his losses if ever. However, even if they’re perfectly aware of this, it’s like it’s easier to said than implement this for them. Patience will always trigger them, that if they keep on waiting, they might end up losing the opportunities to make profits. The reason why we have been seeing traders consistently trading, it’s not that they’re not aware that they are doing the wrong thing, but being greedy to make profits is more of their focus than waiting for the right set up to trade.


This is the common reality going on in most traders life, especially the experience ones that are still having huge losses, because they actually knows that trading is just like hunting, you have to be very patient and wait for and opportunity or wait for and animal you will prey on, so as to be successful, but most traders are impatient, they just want to make money quick, forgetting the basic rules of trading,  which will eventually leads most of them to huge losses because they were probing and trading the market when it's was obvious that their is no golden opportunity at that time, which they will end up losing money, because they entered the market at the wrong time, and when they have lost their funds, that's when a golden opportunity will present itself, but due to lack of patience, they have already lost their funds before then .
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April 01, 2024, 09:21:34 PM
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People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial magin.

But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.

I think it is still 50:50 in my opinion, you can spend a lot of time analyzing the market and then come up winning and be profitable and not waiting for the right setup not sure though what you mean by this, setup as in hardware or the knowledge so that you will have an advantage on others, thus making profits? And from what you describe, it really looks like trading is really gambling isn't it? But here you learn how to mitigate the risk and quit early while in gambling it's really hard to control our emotions. In any case, there is profit to be made in crypto trading, you just have to really equip yourself with the right learning and tools maybe like trading bot if you are a expert already to automate this trading for you.
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April 01, 2024, 09:17:15 PM
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But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.
This is very true because, even with how many trade losses you did as long as you have stopped the loss and are not eager to get into a new trade, you will be profitable.
Sometimes 1 perfect trade will able to get your losses back, so at the end, you end up profitable as long as you waited for the right set-up and not chasing losses.
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April 01, 2024, 06:06:33 PM
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People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial magin.

But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.
do you know one thing about trading you must do study the rules and the regulation of trading first before you can be able to make a profit as you may think,trading is a skill that you will learn and understand the procedures before you can be able to escape losses in Trading so many people who experience a huge loss in Trading is people that have not microscope or understand the basic routement of trading... it is obvious and understanding that the more you trade it is more you have more experience about trading and the more you loves interesting it is more you understand your fault and your loop holes, so an experience Trader who knows the fundamentals of threading who knows the key and the strategies to trade cannot lose a huge amount of money or cannot lose a profit that he or she made in two consecutive trade and the two consecutive profits in one trade....its a beginner of trader that is profits conscious can make such mistakes.

People actually don't know how important it is to wait for the right set-up, some traders think that the more you trade the more money you make which is very much unlikely, trading doesn't work like that, you might make a lot of money from 5 to 7 trades, and use just only one trade to lose everything including your initial magin.
This will depend on the strategy that the trader is using. Traders that are using high leverage will see this a lot. Assuming a trader has $500 to trade, he can think of 10x leverage, thinking to earn $10 each from scaping. If the trade favors him, he will be winning $10 each. Let us say he has won 5 time which is $50. If he trade again the 6th time and the trade is not favoring him, he will think to leave the position open for a while and this might result in liquidation of the money used. But if using low leverage or no leverage at all, it can help against high risk trading.
it is obvious that the how you open your leverage in Trading or establish your trading is the way you'll get a loss and and also the way you get your profit, is perspective I think you are correct, but one thing that makes us to lose very huge in Trading is because of the way we strategize our threading and then what causes this is that when we have the greediness in US it is what makes us to lose more than the way we are supposed to lose our capital.. is obvious that the higher our expectation may be as Same of our risk in Trading.

But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.
You know it is easy to say wait for a good trade set up. Where the work is in being patient and it is the patience that beginners often lack. A friend went from taking a trading course to doing 5 live trades and guess what, he lost. Successful traders will only take one to three trades each day and they could even do less. I think that some trades are just not necessary, they just waste the trader's time which should have just been spent either doing nothing or engaging in some hobbies. Waiting for a good trade set is simply waiting or the right trading opportunities.
one of the philosophy of trading is that, before you benefit in Trading you must also experience a huge loss because it is based on your experience in Trading that to make you to understand trading movement anyone who is into trading is not wasting it time, it's what it deserves to do, and any you decide to do you most like to know the effects neither knowing the advantages first or the advantages, if you study trading very well you will not be experiencing a huge loss.
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April 01, 2024, 05:29:29 PM
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..But waiting for the right set-up gives you an edge in the market, when you trade only when you sees an opportunity, you will mostly comes out profitable, as long as you knows the craft a little, but probing the market every now and then will only make you lose money, because trading is more of patience and knowledge.

As a rule, beginners tend to open more orders, hoping to earn money quickly in this way. And only after time has passed, they begin to understand that this type of trading brings only losses and in the future carefully choose the moment to open a deal when the market is more predictable.
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