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Antonius Marcus Aurelius, He was the last of the so-called Five Good Emperors. He was a practitioner of Stoicism, and his untitled writing, commonly known as Meditations
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if you havent seen his writings i encourage you to take a look

https://ia804703.us.archive.org/26/items/meditationsofmar00marc/meditationsofmar00marc.pdf

The great thing about Meditations is that he wrote the passages as his own personal musings, never with any intention of them being read by anyone other than himself. That makes his writings even more remarkable, imo. A main premise behind stoicism is not to worry about those things which are out of your control:

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"The chief task in life is simply this: to identify and separate matters so that I can say clearly to myself which are externals not under my control, and which have to do with the choices I actually control. Where then do I look for good and evil? Not to uncontrollable externals, but within myself to the choices that are my own..."[Epictetus]

I reckon Marcus Aurelius would have chosen to be a bitcoin maxi and a hodler.
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Why do I sense ATH will come B4 the 1/2ing?



....because Adam Back told you so months ago?  Grin
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only +27% left for a new ATH


for a correct measurement we actually should account for inflation
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I thought a new all time high before the halving was an impossibility a few months ago. Now I’m wondering what is going to stop it from happening once we make another move up.

Well, yeah, the thing is that we are right between don't wake me up zone and no man's land, and so maybe part of the question remains whether we spent enough time in don't wake me up zone in order to make it all the way through no man's land.

I am not going to proclaim to know the answers, but it is not easy to stay asleep now that "we" and not even royal this time, are actually "on the edge"

I have no doubt that 60k will come this week... and we would break the pattern if the ATH comes before the halving...

Yeah, but so what?

Bitcoin is always breaking the pattern.

We do not have enough cycles to really lock in, even though all of the cycles end up resembling each other a lot in retrospect.

In this case, breaking the pattern, I ask the more experienced here: What would be the thesis of identifying the target?

What is the purpose of a target?  Selling at the top and buying back?  Many of us here are not playing that game, even though I know it can be tempting.  It seems if you have enough BTC, then you just shave some off at various points along the way, and if you do not have enough BTC, then you are not quite ready to be engaged in the shaving off methodology.

You have ONLY been registered on the forum for 6 months..

If we use your forum registration date as a proxy for when you got into BTC, then holy fucking shit, you have not even come close to being in BTC for a whole cycle..

What are you wanting to do?  Trade the cycle?  It is hard to presume that you have enough corn to be fucking around like that..

But hey you can do what you like..

There are a lot of guys that try to play the waves, and I don't recommend that approach, but hey you are your own person, so you can do what you like... and maybe it will work out and maybe you will be the exception.  They do exist, even though some of us prefer a more solid strategy.. which is accumulate, even though it is likely to hurt the first whole cycle.

since we would only have psychological targets... I know that no one has a crystal ball, but I wanted to know, if possible, what yours theory is.

there is psychological and financial.. and it seems to me that psychological follows from developing some kind of a good financial plan with good practices. then you should be able to rest.. even though the first whole cycle is likely going to be challenging..

In the bear market, I used partial purchases on a 50% price drop to take advantage of a possible pullback... and then larger entries on a 70-75% price drop from the ATH

Well maybe you have accumulated enough cornz, then?  But if you are still worried about if you have enough, then shouldn't you continue to buy until you get to the point of having enough?  Maybe you should tell us what you plan to do?

However, I still feel a little unsure about identifying the target, I know that the best way is to gradually go out at the average price.

Yeah, you are ONLY selling to buy back, and ultimately you don't have enough. .so you want to buy back... so you are hoping that the price drops after you sell... and it sounds like you want to sell everything... seems pretty risky.. but it might work out for you.

Perhaps? perhaps?

Unfortunately, or fortunately (depends on your point of view) I still need to use position trade to be able to build capital.

Not everyone believe that trading is a way to build capital. .especially with bitcoin...

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Well what is your avg cost of your corn?
Ie if you spent 30k for 1 btc. and want to sell 10% right now at 53k it means you turned 3000 into 5300.

Since you want to trade you could do  a ladder up for 50% of your corn which is not terrible.
Ie out of 1 btc
0.1 at 53,100
0.1 at 58,300
0.1 at 63,200
0.1 at 68,100
0.1 at 74,050

I know traders want to play these swings, but much of that is in the middle of no man's zone... so if we go with your hypothetical, then you could have staggered sales like that, but I would probably cut them down by 75% or so, and so they might be 0.025-ish BTC each... especially if the goal might be to accumulate BTC... maybe once the price gets in the $80k territory, then maybe the ladder amounts could increase to 0.075 BTC or something like that for every $5k-ish price increase.

One of the problems with someone still wanting to accumulate, they might be selling with one hand and buying with the other, so sometimes it might be a bit difficult to make progress accumulating and keeping your head straight if your goal is to ultimately want to accumulate enough BTC to get to fuck you status or something like that.

that leaves you with .5 btc and over 31,675 cash

which would not be a terrible partial exit for a trader.

Doesn't seem that great to me to be selling half of your stash in the middle of no man's zone with an expectation of being able to buy back.. seems a little retarded, if you really think about it.

To all dca and hodl people the above is a method for a person looking to trade.

I doubt that criptoevangelista is really a trader, even though he believes that he needs to employ trading strategies.. ..  

A lot of these guys are trying to accumulate more bitcoin (or other kinds of wealth) so that they can get themselves to a position to have a lot of value, but they are afraid of BTC's volatility so they don't want to be sitting in negative value while they are accumulating coins.. so maybe they have impatience.. but they may well never get to a state of solid positive values if they are fucking around with selling too much too soon... especially if they are still pretty early in their BTC accumulation stage of their BTC journey.

myself
I held 85% of my btc

That is a good idea.  If you are ONLY selling 15% of your holdings, then that would be more practical.. so why the fuck didn't you suggest that criptoevangelista only sell 15% of his holdings?

Historically you did not hold 85% of your BTC, so maybe you are changing your strategy.. which that is a good sign, even for an old-bugger like you... but the thing is that you likely want to stay somewhat more liquid or to be able to dip into your principle, since you are more elderly, so for you, it may well be safer to have more in cash than someone who is not as elderly.. .but yeah, I am not sure about the balance, because a person who is regularly investing might keep 3-6 months in an emergency fund and even longer than that if they have unstable finances, and they may well have other reserves and a float depending on what they are doing.. ..

yet a more elderly person might have way more cash, whether it is earning for them or not, and part of the reason that they can keep so much cash would be that they may well have 5 to 20 years of income in the their principle in some kind of cold storage.. that is presuming if they have not made it to entry level fuck you status which is to have 20 to 30 years of their principle in more of a cold storage... and yeah, of course the cold storage of assets does not have to ONLY be bitcoin, even though many of have likely learned ways to keep decent amounts of bitcoin as our value.

and did a ladder up that still has 2 legs left.

 I have two sell orders in
61,1[u]xx[/u]
69,7xx

FTFY I hope that you are making those numbers up, since it is probably not a good practice to be sharing exact numbers.. not only for yourself, but to set good examples for other members who might not realize any possible impact.

I am doing a dca with my signature earnings

Aren't you paid in bitcoin?  That just means that whenever you get paid, you hang onto the proceeds from your signature campaign.. . and yeah, guys could do that partly in terms of hanging onto the BTC from their signature campaign or even all of the proceeds from their signature campaign, as you seem to be saying that you are doing.

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You should ask JJG about that.

I already chimed in.. I couldn't help my lil selfie.

I doubt that my answer is what any trader wannabe newbie is going to want to hear... but we are in a public thread, so the answer is an attempt to be somewhat generic...
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not investment advice but maybe...just maybe

buy as much bitcorn as you can, as often as you can and only sell what you absolutely need to, when you need to

in other words....hodl



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Can't believe I sold my holdings around $17K Dec 2022.

I can't believe I bought much of my holdings around $17k in late 2022! Thank you for that, by the way.  Grin
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 This feels right.  I think this is the best possible template for a WO commemorative throwing star Smiley  Now we need a die to stamp them out - got time for more gubmint work, sirazimuth?

Every year has green and red, yet sure at the same time, so far there have been 3 greens and 1 red in terms of overall direction for each of the cycles.. even though normies, no coiners, low coiners, precoiners don't necessarily recognize that even though there is a lot of volatility the historical direction has been UP and is likely going to continue to be UP, even though there are no guarantees...

and since there are no guarantees, normies get scared, and that is part of the reason that we are still early - while more and more of the BIGGER players are coming into bitcoin, but those of us who have been here for more than a few months have been able to front run them, except those of us who are newer - perhaps less than a whole cycle, have not had enough time to accumulate waht we believe to be enough coins.. .. and yeah there is going to be perceptions of not having enough coins in the beginning for those who are thinking about this properly.. but sure we are still early.. even though some richer and richer folks are getting into the game of hoarding cornz.

Some folks might not have had abilities to be aggressive in the earliest times of their BTC accumulation, yet bitcoin is not going to wait.. sorry about that.. and sorry if you feel that you are running after the train.. yet we are still relatively early, but maybe not as early as we wished we would have had been - and yeah there are guys/companies like MSTR that (who) have been into bitcoin less than a whole cycle, but surely we cannot argue that some of them had not had enough time to accumulate coins (Saylor/MSTR is just going on its (their) fourth year in July/August).

Those of us who had been somewhat aggressive in our BTC accumulation might not have had left as many coins for the now new comers to fight over, yet many of us likely were not able to be as aggressive as MSTR/Saylor, and we should still be fine..

Essentially what I am striving to say is..

Green and red in each year... and there are so many times that we feel the red more than the green, even though the reality of the matter is that so many of us in Bitcoin for a long time remain fortunate, if we had been erroring on the side of mostly accumulating and HODLing, and sure some of us, such as yours truly, sell along the way including selling all the way since 2015 - in the case of this here cat, but holy fucking shit even though the amount of the sales seems to be like a lot, some of us still have way enough cornz in light of how much we are able to sell - in a kind of sustainable withdrawal system, and still the value of our holdings still keeps going up.

I had posted the below example earlier today, and if you think about it, the value of the HOLDings in terms of valuing it with the 200-WMA still would have had gone up, even if there were a relatively aggressive withdrawals strategy of between 6% and gradually progressing to 6.5% that would have had started 17 months ago.. at more or less the bottom of the latest dip and even the worst BTC price performance - relative to the 200-WMA.

I just went back and did a quick calculation that even starting from October 2022 and with 21 BTC, even if we would have withdrawn at a 6% per year rate, and just do a quickie calculation of 0.1 BTC per month (even though the tool recommends to reduce the rate of withdrawal once the BTC price is less than 25% above the 200-WMA, but even if we withdrew 0.1 BTC for the last 17 months, we would end up with a reduction of our BTC holdings from 21 BTC to 19.3 BTC, and the 200-WMA value of the BTC holdings would have gone from $490k in October 2022 to $605k today.. of course BTC spot price is even greater, but this tool is attempting to help us to emphasize value based on the 200-WMA so that we are less likely to get caught up in the rash exuberance of BTC spot price changes, even though at the same time, we are advantaged to be able to sell BTC and to receive spot price which is usually (but not always) 25% or more higher than the 200-WMA.

See that experimental chart of 0.1 BTC withdrawal per month here:

Even though the flat rate is simpler to follow, it does not take advantage of either reductions or the advance months that the tool attempts to guide.. and of course, if we start with 0.1 BTC, in order to stick with 6%, we should be reducing the amount each month otherwise we are going to be withdrawing way more than 6%, but it still goes with my argument that it is my tentative conclusion that anywhere between 6% and 10% fit within levels of moderate sustainability.. and the more that you would use the guidelines of the tool, then the more likely you could gravitate more and more towards more aggressive levels of withdrawal while at the same time likely being able to retain the dollar value of your BTC holdings in light of its 200-WMA valuations.

This is it guys!

 I got an email from an old friend, who had received an email from another old friend, who mistakenly thought that the former old friend was into Bitcoin.  He wants to get one before the price gets beyond his reach and is inquiring about mining.  Oh, he's also a grandfather! It's on!  To the moon.

 edit:  Nice!  This indicator never fails.

That's crazy.

But that's how normie no coiners, low coiners and just realized-to-be precoiners roll.
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Thanks for sharing your strategy, it's something close to what I imagine doing when I'm ready to make the exit move.



I have no doubt that 60k will come this week... and we would break the pattern if the ATH comes before the halving... In this case, breaking the pattern, I ask the more experienced here: What would be the thesis of identifying the target? since we would only have psychological targets... I know that no one has a crystal ball, but I wanted to know, if possible, what yours theory is.

In the bear market, I used partial purchases on a 50% price drop to take advantage of a possible pullback... and then larger entries on a 70-75% price drop from the ATH

However, I still feel a little unsure about identifying the target, I know that the best way is to gradually go out at the average price.

Unfortunately, or fortunately (depends on your point of view) I still need to use position trade to be able to build capital.
You should ask JJG about that.

Thanks for the sugestion.



@JayJuanGee Could you give your opinion on this? I know that it is practically impossible to predict exactly where the target will be and that is not exactly what I would like to know...

My case is that I still don't know how to identify the best exit regions.

Your withdrawal strategy is based on the exit moment after building capital, in my case I am still under construction. What would you do if you were in a capital construction situation? If you could share some knowledge so I can adapt my journey I would be very grateful.



Its not entirely obvious what you are asking?

What is "the target" or an "exit region" or "exit moment"?

If you are asking "what will be the top?" and "when should I sell?" then I would say to the first,  no one knows and to the second that depends on you and your personal situation.

What is your personal objective and financial timeframe? Little point having a 30 year plan if you are already 75!

Think about your objectives and determine a strategy that will help youmeet them. If you don't do that you will always be guessing and wondering what to do.
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I sold some
 At
48
49
50
51
52
little pieces.
so youre the guy i bought from at 49 and 51k lol
To the grandmas and/or taxi drivers I sold to @ 61K in 2021... thank you for taking one for the team.
Keep hodeling my friends!  You will be in the black in no time.
(hopefully it wasn't you whom I bought it back from @ 19K in 2022)

You BIG  meanie....  Angry Angry Angry Angry

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Good timing, but did you increase your stash?

That's an interesting question.

Let me do a quick look for my own ballpark situation.

The closest comparison of any of my data was right around the turn of the year of 2021 with BTC prices right around $47k at that time, and so my current BTC stash is ONLY right around 1.5% more than it was then... that is not very much different... my cash is about 25% more than it was at that time.

hmm Nov 2021

I was at x btc
and Feb 2024
I am at x btc

But I was some debt now zero
I was x cash now 2x cash
I was 0  I bonds now some I bonds.
I was x of silver now  more than 4x that.

and November 2021 marked the peak of last bull run.
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Why do I sense ATH will come B4 the 1/2ing?

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Thanks for sharing your strategy, it's something close to what I imagine doing when I'm ready to make the exit move.



I have no doubt that 60k will come this week... and we would break the pattern if the ATH comes before the halving... In this case, breaking the pattern, I ask the more experienced here: What would be the thesis of identifying the target? since we would only have psychological targets... I know that no one has a crystal ball, but I wanted to know, if possible, what yours theory is.

In the bear market, I used partial purchases on a 50% price drop to take advantage of a possible pullback... and then larger entries on a 70-75% price drop from the ATH

However, I still feel a little unsure about identifying the target, I know that the best way is to gradually go out at the average price.

Unfortunately, or fortunately (depends on your point of view) I still need to use position trade to be able to build capital.
You should ask JJG about that.

Thanks for the sugestion.



@JayJuanGee Could you give your opinion on this? I know that it is practically impossible to predict exactly where the target will be and that is not exactly what I would like to know...

My case is that I still don't know how to identify the best exit regions.

Your withdrawal strategy is based on the exit moment after building capital, in my case I am still under construction. What would you do if you were in a capital construction situation? If you could share some knowledge so I can adapt my journey I would be very grateful.




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60k is knocking on the door.
Can't believe I sold my holdings around $17K Dec 2022.
Well Current holding already higher but it still hurts
And now Bitcoin is enroute $60K.


Bought some around 50700 with stop loss at $49K in binance
This I plan on not holding
I find it weird am seeing profit but too scared to sell off some.
And my decision already paying off
Sell limit lined up around $59-60K.

Already deleted my electrum wallet
Only the address available for DCA
Dollar is increasing more in relation to my countries currency.
So I chose to separate my holding stash from the current one. 
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So buddy do we see 53k next chart.

54k by morning. TBC





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the noon wall report


dyor


$54,567  $54,969 observed

alright...on towards no mans land we go

now take a second to relax....perhaps get up and stretch....do some deep knee bends and roll that neck until the tensions flow away

not only the day but the week is just getting started


4h


D

stronghands



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Born Today 121AD

Antonius Marcus Aurelius, He was the last of the so-called Five Good Emperors. He was a practitioner of Stoicism, and his untitled writing, commonly known as Meditations
https://twitter.com/romanhistory1/status/1762091139014799531



if you havent seen his writings i encourage you to take a look

https://ia804703.us.archive.org/26/items/meditationsofmar00marc/meditationsofmar00marc.pdf
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I prefer the traditional method - from the ATH instead from the current price. At 54 500 we are 79% from the ATH:



It would be nice someone to make such a gif using api from some exchange to see with time how this percentage fluctuates.

Agreed much better visualisation, though we are at 79% of the ATH not from ...
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only +27% left for a new ATH
I prefer the traditional method - from the ATH instead from the current price. At 54 500 we are 79% from the ATH:



It would be nice someone to make such a gif using api from some exchange to see with time how this percentage fluctuates.
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