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... So, I think the most safe thing is to hodl until there is a need or a strong desire to pay for something useful with part of the stash like house, car, college for the kids, etc. And after the purchase, any proper opportunity to recover the stash should be used. If only all people were thinking like that, we could have avoided all these idiotic crashes. ...

in my opinion the most safe thing is to diversify when extreme fomo takes hold, when bitcoin looks historically overvalued, to sell maybe half, and purchase another kind of asset.  If you can sell anywhere near the top, with a 70-85% drop coming afterwards, it's really foolish to hold.  I've held through 2 big crashes, having bought in early 2013.  It's much better to sell high than to sell 'when you want to pay for something'.  Keep your portfolio diversified in different assets.  There's no guarantee with any investment, including bitcoin.   On this next anticipated runup, I hope to follow my own advice better.

It sounds like a perfect plan, except a little tiny itsy bitsy detail: Do you know what the top will be with an 100% certainty? Unless you have a time machine, I doubt it. In early 2017 the top was almost certain to be $1000, 3 months later $3000, then ... you know the drill. I got burned by that logic 5 times in 2017. If I was just holding, now after all crashes, I should have had 4 times more bitcoins than I am having now. In reality, if you sell with the hope of 80% gains, you will certainly sell at least 10% below the top, and if you got the luck to nail the momentary dip, you could get like 20-30% tops. And that, if you are extremely lucky! Besides, there is a risk leaving fiat on exchanges and 10-40% taxes if you withdraw to the bank account. So, I prefer to hodl in all the coming crashes. Bring it on, baby!

I hear you, the tax bite was a real psychological impediment for me to sell.  But you have to overcome it.  If you have looked at each run-up before the massive crash, you can see a kind of ridiculously rapid increase in price, that's the signal to be accelerating divestiture out of bitcoin!  Don't worry about the taxes, you still will be way ahead if you sell when people are climbing all over each other to buy.  You don't need to know the exact top.  once  you get to about 10-20 times the price of $20,000 you can't loose by selling off a significant percentage periodically as it continues up.  There are some good log charts of bitcoin price going back 5-10 years, you can eyeball it and tell when it's a better time to sell and a better time to buy.  It's not quick nor easy, but it's better than holding through these huge run-ups and crashes.
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Self made HODLER ✓
No, Bitcoin is Bitcoin, crypto is everything, including Bitcoin, altcoins and shitcoins. He is using it right.

On other news... Slow and steady... yeah.
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Aha, more place for upwards?
Bulls are impatient,bears are sad..

The momentum is certainly building imho but we still have to decide how to deal with some end of the month shenanigans if I am interpreting the Cloud correctly. Best case scenario for bulls would be a sharp break above the 2.618 fib in the next couple of days to forestall a possible double top technical rebound at $4.195k. Otherwise some continued small ladder steps until after the first would bode well for further gains. Buy the dips and #dyor.

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#stronghands'19
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From the very first tweet of the thread:

how dare you call me not a shitposter?

An admission from the V8.

Facts do not need admissions!
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Thank you, I forgot to check tradingview. Here is a monthly chart for MACD, MFI and CCI:



But is that chart telling "us" anything meaningful about BTC's price future  (besides the long-term UP that "we" already presume)?  

That chart can't really tell "us" anything meaningful, but... just to me... (you might hate this  Roll Eyes )
It suggests that we are in a correction of a larger order, like we already had a historical V, and right now it's historical (end-of-)A or historical B.
If we are in historical B, then later this year, the market could top at 10k$ - 12k$, followed by C (another ~3 years of bear market, down to ~1,500$).


hahahahaha... I don't exactly hate it, but I could call it "interesting" "mumbo jumbo"... so you gave the scenario for if "we" happen to be in an "historical B," which does not sound like a very good scenario, especially because such scenario results in prolonged prices lower than today's prices and also lower than the already December low of $3,122,  but what if "we" happen to be in a "historical A" instead of an "historical B," then what should we expect (not that I should believe any of this chart woo woo Wink)?

By the way, does your "historical A" and "historical B" discussion points account for BTC's likely ongoing s-curve adoption? which likely results in exponential price rises through adoption? or do your "historical A" / "B" scenarios assume a certain level of BTC market maturity?

I did not write "historical A", but "historical (end-of-)A", meaning that I'm not sure if we have already completed the A, or we'll see a bit more down to complete A (all this assumes we are moving much slower than in 2014). In case we already completed A, we are now in B and should slowly climb towards the 4 of A, which is at ~12k$.
I don't care about S curve adoption, I see bitcoin similar to a multi-billion corporation with shitty R&D, so very bearish long term, if nothing changes for the good in R&D.
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A Bitcoiner chooses. A slave obeys.
are we pushing for a pumperino? It seems like we are pushing for a pumperino.

I dunno man, $4,000 still acting as a tough nut to crack.

nut cracked, eaten.

are we pushing for a pumperino? It seems like we are pushing for a pumperino.

Not yet. No.

We're attempting to stabilize around $4k first.

I don't see the Bogdanoffs getting involved again, for several months, yet.

Those handsome bastards step in when you least expect it. I still say we pushing for a pumperino
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
how dare you call me not a shitposter?

hahahahahaha

An admission from the V8.

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how dare you call me not a shitposter? i came out of retirement just for this! you're not a shitposter! so hah!


reverse psychology gets em every time


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1h


4h

#stronghands'19
Aha, more place for upwards?
Bulls are impatient,bears are sad..
legendary
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how dare you call me not a shitposter? i came out of retirement just for this! you're not a shitposter! so hah!


reverse psychology gets em every time


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1h


4h

#stronghands'19
legendary
Activity: 3962
Merit: 11519
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

Thank you, I forgot to check tradingview. Here is a monthly chart for MACD, MFI and CCI:



But is that chart telling "us" anything meaningful about BTC's price future  (besides the long-term UP that "we" already presume)?  

That chart can't really tell "us" anything meaningful, but... just to me... (you might hate this  Roll Eyes )
It suggests that we are in a correction of a larger order, like we already had a historical V, and right now it's historical (end-of-)A or historical B.
If we are in historical B, then later this year, the market could top at 10k$ - 12k$, followed by C (another ~3 years of bear market, down to ~1,500$).


hahahahaha... I don't exactly hate it, but I could call it "interesting" "mumbo jumbo"... so you gave the scenario for if "we" happen to be in an "historical B," which does not sound like a very good scenario, especially because such scenario results in prolonged prices lower than today's prices and also lower than the already December low of $3,122,  but what if "we" happen to be in a "historical A" instead of an "historical B," then what should we expect (not that I should believe any of this chart woo woo Wink)?

By the way, does your "historical A" and "historical B" discussion points account for BTC's likely ongoing s-curve adoption? which likely results in exponential price rises through adoption? or do your "historical A" / "B" scenarios assume a certain level of BTC market maturity?
legendary
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Be a bank
how dare you call me not a shitposter? i came out of retirement just for this! you're not a shitposter! so hah!
legendary
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^yeah thought he was a maximalist. he probably does know lol

meanwhile the worm has turned.

I wonder if they have any opening for sh*tposters...    Grin

I have no idea what you are talking about

meanwhile supermoons as recharging events. the worm is coming out of the ground.



It surely wasent you.  Hah!  I was implying myself except for the fact I am already twice retired...now I am just tired.    ...and dont call me surely.
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All good things to those who wait

... So, I think the most safe thing is to hodl until there is a need or a strong desire to pay for something useful with part of the stash like house, car, college for the kids, etc. And after the purchase, any proper opportunity to recover the stash should be used. If only all people were thinking like that, we could have avoided all these idiotic crashes. ...

in my opinion the most safe thing is to diversify when extreme fomo takes hold, when bitcoin looks historically overvalued, to sell maybe half, and purchase another kind of asset.  If you can sell anywhere near the top, with a 70-85% drop coming afterwards, it's really foolish to hold.  I've held through 2 big crashes, having bought in early 2013.  It's much better to sell high than to sell 'when you want to pay for something'.  Keep your portfolio diversified in different assets.  There's no guarantee with any investment, including bitcoin.   On this next anticipated runup, I hope to follow my own advice better.

It sounds like a perfect plan, except a little tiny itsy bitsy detail: Do you know what the top will be with an 100% certainty? Unless you have a time machine, I doubt it. In early 2017 the top was almost certain to be $1000, 3 months later $3000, then ... you know the drill. I got burned by that logic 5 times in 2017. If I was just holding, now after all crashes, I should have had 4 times more bitcoins than I am having now. In reality, if you sell with the hope of 80% gains, you will certainly sell at least 10% below the top, and if you got the luck to nail the momentary dip, you could get like 20-30% tops. And that, if you are extremely lucky! Besides, there is a risk leaving fiat on exchanges and 10-40% taxes if you withdraw to the bank account. So, I prefer to hodl in all the coming crashes. Bring it on, baby!
legendary
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https://twitter.com/jack/status/1108487927078674432
Are you currently contributing to bitcoin-core or other crypto ecosystem projects for free in your off-time? We’d like to pay you to do it full-time. If interested, DM @SqCrypto, and follow for updates on our progress. Thank you!

sounds very generous. would be interesting to follow.
legendary
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Be a bank
^yeah thought he was a maximalist. he probably does know lol

meanwhile the worm has turned.

I wonder if they have any opening for sh*tposters...    Grin

I have no idea what you are talking about

meanwhile supermoons as recharging events. the worm is coming out of the ground.

legendary
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Merit: 1094

Thank you, I forgot to check tradingview. Here is a monthly chart for MACD, MFI and CCI:



But is that chart telling "us" anything meaningful about BTC's price future  (besides the long-term UP that "we" already presume)? 

That chart can't really tell "us" anything meaningful, but... just to me... (you might hate this  Roll Eyes )
It suggests that we are in a correction of a larger order, like we already had a historical V, and right now it's historical (end-of-)A or historical B.
If we are in historical B, then later this year, the market could top at 10k$ - 12k$, followed by C (another ~3 years of bear market, down to ~1,500$).
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... So, I think the most safe thing is to hodl until there is a need or a strong desire to pay for something useful with part of the stash like house, car, college for the kids, etc. And after the purchase, any proper opportunity to recover the stash should be used. If only all people were thinking like that, we could have avoided all these idiotic crashes. ...

in my opinion the most safe thing is to diversify when extreme fomo takes hold, when bitcoin looks historically overvalued, to sell maybe half, and purchase another kind of asset.  If you can sell anywhere near the top, with a 70-85% drop coming afterwards, it's really foolish to hold.  I've held through 2 big crashes, having bought in early 2013.  It's much better to sell high than to sell 'when you want to pay for something'.  Keep your portfolio diversified in different assets.  There's no guarantee with any investment, including bitcoin.   On this next anticipated runup, I hope to follow my own advice better.
legendary
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^yeah thought he was a maximalist. he probably does know lol

meanwhile the worm has turned.

I wonder if they have any opening for sh*tposters...    Grin
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