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legendary
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Remember when there were zany pumps all of the time, I has thought we may have seen the last of insane P&D alt runs

This is one of the things that intrigues me most about this year. If BTC goes to sleep, will people turn to alts?

The difference between now and 2015/16 when that was at its peak is that alts subsequently had their moment and delivered fuck all with knobs on. Then again that's probably not going to turn anyone off.


Remains to be seen, just as many lost, many made money too.

Did any of the ICO craze produce anything of note? remains to be seen, 99% crap I think, but there will be some projects that perhaps have a chance to go somewhere, nevertheless I agree people will still be all too happy to gamble on ICOS and ALts.

I kind of expect ETH may have another ICO craze,and security tokens on regulated platforms too, so I think we will see another ICO craze, though it will be in a different form, clustered with regulation.. which could be a good thing,  and at very least this way people can be conned from their cash in a fully compliant and legal manner  Cheesy

Also, I do wonder how people will feel after further capitulation, sure there will be many burnt fingers, 97% drop a bit too much? how about a further 80% drop?  great, cool now that you are rekt, can I interest you in one of these finest artisian custom top shelf ICO's? fully regulated, whitepaper and roadmap apply.


Funny thing is, I firmly believe that it is a goooood thing that there are shitcoins, and shit projects... if you think of all of the subject matters that BTC and crypto can teach people and people can study around, well getting burnt to fuck on a project, a currency a ICO, an investment, is PRICELESS education, and if its a lesson learnt well, its cheap at half the price.

Same thing should be for banks etc, bail out? nope sorry, banks closed now, you lost your money, what? well you should not  have put all of your eggs in one basket.. you won't do that again will you?   "know your bank"  .  


Anyway I am ranting
 
Yeah I can imagine a death spiral for many alts resulting in a huge cull, though new ones will pop up out of the next new ICO craze, and from some of those, should they crack the nut of acquiring users will survive, the others will slowly bleed.

TBH, cryptocurrency related businesses in general and Daps etc all need to start actually leveraging invested cash into real world applications, services and businesses that are not just technically viable, but also that can actually start gaining real world everyday users.... no users, no revenue, no revenue, no profit, no profit no company, no blockchain, no incentive and therefore doom.

So the projects that make it over the coming years IMO are going to have to shine in both providing a wanted and needed service, and at acquiring and keeping new users,  so its the projects that can push out the tech AND solve "problem x" AND acquire users AND are well run and can remain in the green , are the ones that will survive... I expect at some point there will be two almost distinct groups, sort of like stocks and penny stocks.

In the meantime, I fully expect full on degenerate trading on exchanges...and for ALTS to be traded like crazy, because up to this point exchanges have been the one cryptocurrency business that have indeed flourished, made money, provided a wanted (needed?) service, and many of them have proven quite proficient at acquiring new customers...  funny that. Talking of which there will be exchanges and new exchanges offering "security token ICOs" in a "security token regulated environment" popping up too.  





 
legendary
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Today 100 Merit !!!

I am happy. Wink

A few beers for this afternoon, guests, of course !!!

legendary
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Happy 2019 guys!!!


My best wishes this year is way better for crypto than any of the previous ones!

... Or at least we end it at a price significantly higher than we have started it. Smiley

Let's just try to forget how horrible 2018 was.

As long as we sold little or nothing in 2018 then obviously we lose nothing.
1BTC still equals 1BTC the last time I checked.

Happy New Year gentlemen!

yeah just checked it as well and still the same... just like all of my other stuff what I value.... =its still here , why? because I didn't sold it for fiat




Fiat is a scam. If you don’t have at least 5 bitcoin’s then you will regret it in 10-15 years time gentlemen!
legendary
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Happy 2019 guys!!!


My best wishes this year is way better for crypto than any of the previous ones!

... Or at least we end it at a price significantly higher than we have started it. Smiley

Let's just try to forget how horrible 2018 was.

As long as we sold little or nothing in 2018 then obviously we lose nothing.
1BTC still equals 1BTC the last time I checked.

Happy New Year gentlemen!

yeah just checked it as well and still the same... just like all of my other stuff what I value.... =its still here , why? because I didn't sold it for fiat


legendary
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I discuss the whole content of that video in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48978949

It is in spanish, but if there is some interest I could translate it.

TLDR: All those potential attack vectors requiere physical access to the device among other things. And even if all requirements would be met (which is already enough negligence on the user part) there are also additional countermeasures for additional security (ie. passphrase).

Not all.




Yes... if you are referring to the RF side-channel attack it also requires physical access to exploit. Please read my post in the thread above and you will see what I mean.

No Habla that thread.

I was referring to the blue have unintentional signals emanating from it that are increased when a usb cable is plugged in to add signal strength and the fact those signals send out screen output. so no there is no possession of the item needed. Although to get the seed/pass/key, I would assume you must be listening upon setup but the pass phase can be got anytime you log in. I'm really not familiar with hardware wallets. I linked the exact time the blue was being torn apart (figuratively and literally).

TL;DR: As you say, It still would need physical access to the device to use/extract the seed. Also, that sort of tiny RF emanations are pretty common and difficult to prevent in many devices and the range and circumstances in which they can be properly recovered are extremely thin. It is an interesting "lab conditions" demo, but not that much practical risk in real life.

Also, Ledger has issued a post about it: https://www.ledger.fr/2018/12/28/chaos-communication-congress-in-response-to-wallet-fails-presentation/
legendary
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Happy 2019 guys!!!


My best wishes this year is way better for crypto than any of the previous ones!

... Or at least we end it at a price significantly higher than we have started it. Smiley

Let's just try to forget how horrible 2018 was.

As long as we sold little or nothing in 2018 then obviously we lose nothing.
1BTC still equals 1BTC the last time I checked.

Happy New Year gentlemen!
legendary
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Merit: 1530
Self made HODLER ✓
Happy 2019 guys!!!


My best wishes this year is way better for crypto than any of the previous ones!

... Or at least we end it at a price significantly higher than we have started it. Smiley

Let's just try to forget how horrible 2018 was.
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
Remember when there were zany pumps all of the time, I has thought we may have seen the last of insane P&D alt runs

This is one of the things that intrigues me most about this year. If BTC goes to sleep, will people turn to alts?

The difference between now and 2015/16 when that was at its peak is that alts subsequently had their moment and delivered fuck all with knobs on. Then again that's probably not going to turn anyone off.
legendary
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Also on another note of zanyness ... have you guys seen Pragon on coinmarketcap? lol  Cheesy Cheesy

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paragon/

 

[Do not go anywhere near that scam, The SEC have ordered all funds from that ICO to be returned. https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2018/33-10574.pdf ]


Lol yeah, funnily enough if I see something that has shot up 6000% my first instinct is not to buy it.. short it maybe but not buy it

(my second thought is  some yobit shit coiner is currently having a very happy new year)  

https://youtu.be/K3tqvJRNWDY

Funny thing is that the 24 hr volume is now 4.5 million dollars lol, its actually ramped up again odd

Also if you take a look here

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paragon/historical-data/?start=20181001&end=20190101

You can see that this whole thing was front run, the considerably ramped up the volume over the past 10 days exactly , when compared to its average historical volumes , which could have raised eyebrows from some, and perhaps would have had it not been holiday season lol.. its the kind of thing that usually does raise an eyebrow for me.

What I would be interested to see is if this is the first of many shitcoin pumps, or a single P&D

Remember when there were zany pumps all of the time, I had thought we may have seen the last of insane P&D alt runs

Would be Yobit though right- no surprise

 

 
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Two more votes added... TODAY - as of this morning.

Funny, even considering the time zones difference Tongue


Ah yes the WemineLTC pool.

That's the m#$%^$#%^g one  Sad
legendary
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Coin Market Cap certainly doesn’t do themselves any favors listing that nonsense.

Cryptoland is not doing itself any favours using one website, with whatever quirks, grudges and laziness it develops, as the go to reference.
legendary
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Also on another note of zanyness ... have you guys seen Pragon on coinmarketcap? lol  Cheesy Cheesy

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paragon/

 

[Do not go anywhere near that scam, The SEC have ordered all funds from that ICO to be returned. https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2018/33-10574.pdf ]


Lol yeah, funnily enough if I see something that has shot up 6000% my first instinct is not to buy it.. short it maybe but not buy it

(my second thought is  some yobit shit coiner is currently having a very happy new year)   

https://youtu.be/K3tqvJRNWDY

As almost always, you can't deposit it.
Coin Market Cap certainly doesn’t do themselves any favors listing that nonsense.
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 3056
Welt Am Draht
Also on another note of zanyness ... have you guys seen Pragon on coinmarketcap? lol  Cheesy Cheesy

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paragon/

 

[Do not go anywhere near that scam, The SEC have ordered all funds from that ICO to be returned. https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2018/33-10574.pdf ]


Lol yeah, funnily enough if I see something that has shot up 6000% my first instinct is not to buy it.. short it maybe but not buy it

(my second thought is  some yobit shit coiner is currently having a very happy new year)   

https://youtu.be/K3tqvJRNWDY

As almost always, you can't deposit it.
hero member
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Also on another note of zanyness ... have you guys seen Pragon on coinmarketcap? lol  Cheesy Cheesy

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paragon/

 

[Do not go anywhere near that scam, The SEC have ordered all funds from that ICO to be returned. https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2018/33-10574.pdf ]


Lol yeah, funnily enough if I see something that has shot up 6000% my first instinct is not to buy it.. short it maybe but not buy it

(my second thought is  some yobit shit coiner is currently having a very happy new year)   

https://youtu.be/K3tqvJRNWDY
legendary
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born once atheist
....., only to find that the LTC pool had exit scammed.....

Ah yes the WemineLTC pool. I remember them well...
Fun story....
I mined there for a year or so back in the day and won 10 coins in a contest. Thru some silly glitch
they sent me the prize twice. Thanx guys! My name ”sirazimuth”was one of 10 permanently listed
posted/pasted on their never updated home page that remained the same for 2 years or so,right  up
to the very day they went offline /exit scammed. Thankfully I only had dust remaining there though
others I heard lost big time.

Happy new year everyone.
legendary
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2018: Goodbye Bear Market
2019: Hello Bear Market

I’d really like you to be wrong Bob. Sideways for 12 months with occasional pumps & then dumps (not dipping below $3,000) wouldn’t be too bad. It’d give us all a long time to buy even MOAR cheap coins before the next halvening comes into play mid 2020. We should naturally end the bear cycle then & begin the next bull run.

Happy New Year guys Smiley
legendary
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2018: Goodbye Bear Market
2019: Hello Bear Market

don't call it upon us

hello sideways accumulative-preparing for BULLmarket 2019 perhaps

legendary
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Is it only me or does it feel like this whole proof of keys moment does not have much traction (yet)  

I've only heard of it this year though it looks like it's been a thing for a while. I expect it'll be something that grows over the years as more become aware of it. This year will probably be a bit of a nothing but it may eventually replace Christmas as the world's number one public holiday.

This seems perfectly acceptable, maybe we should ween humans off carbon and forge ahead for the leap to a full time symbiosis with silicon, we could bypass the need for food directly and replace our organic internal value reward action mechanism with BTC, so on the 3rd of Jan we can all just jizz our internals on each other in some party like its the 3rd of the 1st 3003 kinda way?

Never liked Christmas anyway.

you two are made for each other
legendary
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Yes!  I created a vanity address 1Go4it... , generated a paper wallet, funded it, waited for the funds to arrive and then posted a screen cap of the wallet.

Nice, maybe i'll have some fun with it later. Gotta detox. Tongue


I discuss the whole content of that video in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48978949

It is in spanish, but if there is some interest I could translate it.

TLDR: All those potential attack vectors requiere physical access to the device among other things. And even if all requirements would be met (which is already enough negligence on the user part) there are also additional countermeasures for additional security (ie. passphrase).

Not all.


Yes... if you are referring to the RF side-channel attack it also requires physical access to exploit. Please read my post in the thread above and you will see what I mean.

No Habla that thread.

I was referring to the blue have unintentional signals emanating from it that are increased when a usb cable is plugged in to add signal strength and the fact those signals send out screen output. so no there is no possession of the item needed. Although to get the seed/pass/key, I would assume you must be listening upon setup but the pass phase can be got anytime you log in. I'm really not familiar with hardware wallets. I linked the exact time the blue was being torn apart (figuratively and literally).
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