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legendary
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How do we feel about this then?

BlockFi just gathered up $50 million to lend to bitcoin and ethereum holders who don’t want to cash out (yet)

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Currently, BlockFi allows investors to take out a loan as high as $10 million using either bitcoin or ethereum as collateral.

Just like lending on Bitfinex, it's all about how much risk you want to take that the platform itself doesn't go under.

You can make somewhere around 1% or so per year on your BTC lending to shorts. But if Bitfinex goes the way of many of the exchanges, then you lose all of your money.
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https://twitter.com/jchervinsky/status/1021795224958455810
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TL;DR -- the SEC can, and probably will, delay its decision on the VanEck/SolidX commodity-backed #bitcoin ETF until ~February 21, 2019.
legendary
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We all agree Roger Ver is an asshat.   It is a fact that is so obvious it doesn’t bear repeating.

I, for one, thoroughly enjoy bashing Roger Ver.

Just think of ALL the BTC, dollars and hashes WASTED on his shitcoins that could should have stayed in BTC ecosystem.
And all the chumps who got swindled in the good name of bitcoin.


--Bitcoinist
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I keep having this dream where Bob covers my naked body in gluten and feeds me to a Canadian. What could it mean?
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I'm not about to peek on general principle. But let me guess. Future proves past?

Yeah... who are you protecting?! How would you know without peeking?

Now you tell me

Sounds fishy as hell

I'll just go ahead and add myself to the list. Undecided
legendary
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Self made HODLER ✓
I'm not about to peek on general principle. But let me guess. Future proves past?

Yeah... who are you protecting?! How would you know without peeking?

Now you tell me

Sounds fishy as hell
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I'm not about to peek on general principle. But let me guess. Future proves past?
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Does mymenace think this thread is this thread Huh
legendary
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Degenerate bull hatter & Bitcoin monotheist
We all agree Roger Ver is an asshat.   It is a fact that is so obvious it doesn’t bear repeating.
legendary
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Queue the wall of text   Grin Grin Grin   Future proves past
Shit posting below continues.
With all due respect, can you stop the retardness already?

What do you know about Roger Ver and why you protecting him.

No bullshit.


We are not protecting Roger Ver. Most people that post here would agree that he is a complete asshat! If you want to have a thread that is devoted to slamming him, then feel free to open up a topic in the scam accusations thread. It's comedy gold that you are trying to state that many of us here are somehow Ver shills because we don't want to bitch about him with every single key stroke that we devote to this forum. Roll Eyes
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it


This quote is hilarious!

My thoughts for the moment (alts not joining this rally so I expect a dud):

Does anyone know the exact relationship between alt coins and bitcoin, except that bitcoin is the dog and altcoins are the tail?  At the same time, alt coins can lead a rally or they can trail a rally or they might not come along because there is more froth in them, so I do not deny any relationship between alts and bitcoin, but I doubt that the mere fact that they are not coming along would preclude bitcoin from rallying and continuing to rally.

For other reasons, including the fact that we seem to be in a consolidation zone that might not be easy to break out of, I do agree with any assertion that BTC might not go directly up from here and break above $8,600, for example... so maybe now, our consolidation zone has moved to a range of $7,000 to $8,600, so accordingly, there would not be any reason to write home (or to get excited) about any movement within such current consolidation range.

Seems to me when BTC rallies alts lose cap and then if alts rally after BTC then it shows confidence in the BTC rally.
legendary
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Shitcoin Minimalist
[... nonsense delirant rambling removed ...]
Queue the wall of text   Grin Grin Grin   Future proves past
Shit posting below continues.
With all due respect, can you stop the retardness already?

What do you know about Roger Ver and why you protecting him.

No bullshit.

This isn't the best thread to be posting that stuff in.
sr. member
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How do we feel about this then?

BlockFi just gathered up $50 million to lend to bitcoin and ethereum holders who don’t want to cash out (yet)

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Currently, BlockFi allows investors to take out a loan as high as $10 million using either bitcoin or ethereum as collateral.
legendary
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[... nonsense delirant rambling removed ...]
Queue the wall of text   Grin Grin Grin   Future proves past
Shit posting below continues.
With all due respect, can you stop the retardness already?

What do you know about Roger Ver and why you protecting him.

No bullshit.
legendary
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Self made HODLER ✓

[... nonsense delirant rambling removed ...]

Queue the wall of text   Grin Grin Grin   Future proves past

Shit posting below continues.


With all due respect, can you stop the retardness already?
legendary
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Be a bank
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Six months have passed since the beginning of the correction, there are still as many. Sewers did not want to fall. Bitcoin too. The longer we hold at current levels, the higher the probability of falling to new bottoms.

I think there will be a multi-month outset. Time is now against the bears.
Correction: so BELOW the probability of falling

If we have any Russian speakers here, perhaps we can get a better translation. Here is the original quote:

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Пoлгoдa пpoшлo c нaчaлa кoppeкции, ocтaлocь eщe cтoлькo жe. Cтoки pacxoтeли пaдaть. Биткoин тoжe. Чeм дoльшe мы дepжимcя нa тeкyщиx ypoвняx, тeм вышe вepoятнocть пaдeния нa нoвыe низы.

Я дyмaю бyдeт мнoгoмecячный бoкoвик. Bpeмя тeпepь пpoтив мeдвeдeй.

Пoпpaвкa: тeм HИЖE вepoятнocть пaдeния
 
Six months have passed since the beginning of the correction, with maybe as many yet to come. Stocks stopped wanting to fall. Bitcoin too. The longer we hold at current levels, the higher the probability of falling to new bottoms.
I think there will be many months of sideways. Time is now against the bears.
Correction: the lower the probability of falling
legendary
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The fact that bitcoin is a better gold than gold is not new. The part that surprised me was that the wealthy Chinese elite have very recently been putting $Billions into bitcoin as a safe haven asset in lieu of gold.

Yea... I'm beginning to question the validity of some of my earlier arguments and positions. New developments, particularly around lightning, and the settling down of internal political strife, have made me more bullish on bitcoin dominance. I am still skeptical of the ability of the DLT sector to replace gold unless the DLT sector is firmly dominated by a single project over a long period of time. But I am a lot less skeptical of the idea that the DLT sector will actually be dominated by a single project for a long period of time (bitcoin).
legendary
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My thoughts for the moment (alts not joining this rally so I expect a dud):

Does anyone know the exact relationship between alt coins and bitcoin, except that bitcoin is the dog and altcoins are the tail?  At the same time, alt coins can lead a rally or they can trail a rally or they might not come along because there is more froth in them, so I do not deny any relationship between alts and bitcoin, but I doubt that the mere fact that they are not coming along would preclude bitcoin from rallying and continuing to rally.

For other reasons, including the fact that we seem to be in a consolidation zone that might not be easy to break out of, I do agree with any assertion that BTC might not go directly up from here and break above $8,600, for example... so maybe now, our consolidation zone has moved to a range of $7,000 to $8,600, so accordingly, there would not be any reason to write home (or to get excited) about any movement within such current consolidation range.
Some do come along give me a little while i will update.

I doubt that there is any kind of lasting pattern, but I suppose that correlations can exist on a short-term basis - while the overall theory remains that a large majority of the value from the various alt coins is going to flow into bitcoin - even though some of the coins might be able to find persistent use cases (beyond pump and dump) to give them longer term value, but even then, it is likely that Bitcoin will absorb them too.... one of the problem of the relatively long phases of development and adoption is that it can take so long for the new use case or even building upon use case to play out, before it gets absorbed into bitcoin, and also a lot of us might be dead before we really witness any kind of meaningful consolidation into bitcoin - talking 40-50 years.. but surely in the mean time there are likely ways to profit from shorter term correlations that have existed and are likely to continue to exist, even if there may be some revolving door aspects regarding which coins are providing which values that might go beyond pure speculation.

This is how the market moved since beginning of year.
Some coins (i have no data but know) are well ahead, like 5 times up from beginning of year but with no volume.
Of the coins listed Eos, Stellar, Ethereum, Bitcoin and Ethereum classic are better as the market as a whole at this stage.
Stellar is on course to re-lease/sell about 1% of total coin this year, Eth ~5 and BTC over 3. actually: https://i.imgur.com/RMgWIv5.png
In midfield is Neo, Litecoin, Monero, Dogecoin, Namecoin, Peercoin all crammed togeter and also Bitcoin Cash
Namecoin, Peercoin just moving about and go nowhere still in the 1-2 dollar range after all the years.
Struggling is Cardano, Dash, Blackcoin (defibrillator got him back alive) ripple and nem
Unfortunate we lost Nano and Nxt

https://i.imgur.com/EznrMNm.jpg


Even though I appreciate that you attempted to lump coins based on recent market performance, I would rather see some other ways of categorizing them - because some of them are larger scams than others, and bitcoin does not fit in the scam department, so maybe a scam index would be more helpful, especially since we are in a bitcoin thread  and we are attempting to figure out the extent to which any of the coins might affect BTC performance - in one direction or another.  Furthermore, some of the market cap and even price performance based on manipulation of supply can be really misleading in terms of whether there is any substance at all to their placement on the market cap listing.

By the way, I saw that one of the ETF applications was requesting to be a top 10 cryptos ETF, and it seems that they were going to attempt to determine which coins to have in their multiple crypto ETF based on market cap.. what a BIG ass possible quagmire that would be difficult to understand if any ETF is going to be approved based on such a manipulatable index.
legendary
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Shitcoin Minimalist
New from Masterluc:
 
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Six months have passed since the beginning of the correction, there are still as many. Sewers did not want to fall. Bitcoin too. The longer we hold at current levels, the higher the probability of falling to new bottoms.

I think there will be a multi-month outset. Time is now against the bears.
Correction: so BELOW the probability of falling

If we have any Russian speakers here, perhaps we can get a better translation. Here is the original quote:

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Пoлгoдa пpoшлo c нaчaлa кoppeкции, ocтaлocь eщe cтoлькo жe. Cтoки pacxoтeли пaдaть. Биткoин тoжe. Чeм дoльшe мы дepжимcя нa тeкyщиx ypoвняx, тeм вышe вepoятнocть пaдeния нa нoвыe низы.

Я дyмaю бyдeт мнoгoмecячный бoкoвик. Bpeмя тeпepь пpoтив мeдвeдeй.

Пoпpaвкa: тeм HИЖE вepoятнocть пaдeния
 
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