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legendary
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The gox trustee isn't allowed to dump any more coins unless the court orders him to. The last dump was because the court decided he needed more money to pay interest on all the fiat owed.

The trustee says he's almost sure civil rehabilitation will be approved, which means all those owed Bitcoins get paid back in Bitcoins. Although there might be another sale of a relatively small number of coins the vast majority are likely to get returned to gox's customers.

Yep, seems that way. If it goes to CR, we'll probably be looking at a year or more of lockup while all the claims are reassessed.
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Thanks for providing some of your details.  I don't necessarily agree with your goals, but I would be concerned about some of your potential distractions with alt coins and that your perception that you have decent chances to use alt coins to accumulate more BTC than if you held BTC itself. 

I probably have disclosed numerous times in this thread that my alt coins tend to be less than 5% of my total holdings, and I think now is around 2%-ish.  I do understand that some members might have perceptions like yours that it is possibly useful to keep higher allocations in alts to accumulate BTC, and I tend to be o.k. if they were to take a 20% alt strategy, but not an 70% alt strategy as you seem to be currently... but maybe if you reversed your allocation to 70% BTC, you could still find a way to make it comfortable for you, especially if you have what seems to be a minimum 5 year investment and building of your portfolio plan.

Of course, in the end, you have to find your own level of comfort, but I tend towards lessening the gambling aspects which causes me to remain in the 90% plus arena for bitcoin, and I become less and less able to relate to those strategies the more that they allocate higher level to alts, even if they end up getting lucky by playing around with shit that can implode at any moment - which is not the same as the continuing strength of the fundamentals in bitcoin.


Well, I'm a believer in bitcoin, but can't say that I'm a maximalist as I'm not all-in with it. I see alts as an opportunity to get more bitcoin and so far my trades have been successful. I was almost 100% BTC about 2 months back when alts were bleeding and BTC somewhat held it's position, at least against the alts. Now there is more market movement in alts, so I have my main stash there. I'm a bit of a gambler myself aswell, maybe that's the reason I'm moving my stash around as much as I do.


When this thread was started, a bit more than 5 years ago, bitcoin was really the only game in town, and really it largely held such a central conscientiousness position for at least 4 of those recent 5 years.  Yeah there was the pumping of various alts in late 2013, too, but the various consciousness and seemingly distortion attacks on bitcoin began to gain steam in about late 2016 and early 2017, with the near flippening pumpening of the shitcoin that is also known as ethereum.

No way am I asserting that you would not be able to take risks and to make a shit ton loads of money that could possibly surpass your abilities to make money with a bitcoin centric approach... So accordingly, there are some costs and risks in moving your money around into these various projects, but sometimes the gains that you accomplish are going to be such that they outweigh either the moving around coins losses or the amount that you might have gained, just in bitcoin.  

Yes, such practice is a kind of gambling, and perhaps in recent times (or at least retrospectively) some bouncing around crypto folks have been able to measure some gambling odds that are decently well into their favor, which also would justify some of the gambling and to cause such gambling to seem more like strategic investment (which can be designed a bit differently from gambling by assessing some of the fundamentals or having some system that accounts for some decently assured fundamentals, such as considering whether the pumpers(backers) of the coin have decent systems in place that will allow you to get in and out of the coin during a price appreciation stage, before it cashes to some losing state.


But, like said, my main goal is to accumulate BTC. You got me worried a bit now, I think I'll transfer 30% of the wallet worth in BTC to a cold storage now and hodl it there, just for kicks.

You may or may not have a system that is going to pay off, so I would not want to be perceived as talking you out of anything, even though perhaps, any of us can sometimes tweak our approach and even our inclinations towards risk taking by sharing information in threads (conversations) like these can help each of us to better help ourselves.  Even though I have spouted a lot of nonsense through the years through this thread, I feel that my own participation has assisted me to learn more about my own strategies by my attempting to explain some of the things that I think and do.


If you have any interest, maybe we can continue the altcoin talk in private chat, don't want to spam this thread with it. I would just like to disclose what alts I have and why I have them.

Cheers!

Maybe some other thread participants would be interested in brainstorming with you about some of your alt coin picks and strategies and the reason why, but I have no interest in getting distracted by any non-bitcoin projects.  I agree with you that there are crypto projects that have decent chances to have legs as non scams, and even they might tie back to bitcoin or become folded into bitcoin in various ways - however, I have real difficulties appreciating or participating in thoughts about how various other projects might be profitable, because surely a lot of them sound good in theory, yet frequently I still wonder why they need their own coin or their own blockchain rather than being built upon or in complimentary style to bitcoin.... So tangentially, I do sometimes learn about some of these kinds of projects and attempt to figure out how they might be building in compliment to bitcoin rather than as a brain drain and financial drain distraction.

Also, personally I believe that to the extent that you can describe various crypto projects as complimentary (rather than attack vectors on bitcoin), then those topics might be relevant to this thread, even though patience is likely to wear thin if you devolve too far and the connection to bitcoin becomes a lot less apparent, then seemingly rightly so, a large number of participants in this thread will begin to attack you as being pumping some shit or attacking bitcoin, and you seem to recognize these kinds of topical thread dynamics, Kylapoiss.
legendary
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2. Who gives a XXXX


we use a thing called language here...it is for communicating

bye bye

Oh come on. That's a bit harsh. Take it easy.  Smiley
"crypto is electronic currency" and my personal welcome "Your welcome" already made my day.
Apparently the previous IQ discussion is still relevant. Legendary...

yeah apologies for the language, obviously did not realise it was part of T&C

appreciate the discussion

no anger intended

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2. Who gives a fuck


we use a thing called language here...it is for communicating

bye bye

Oh come on. That's a bit harsh. Take it easy.  Smiley
"crypto is electronic currency" and my personal welcome "Your welcome" already made my day.
Apparently the previous IQ discussion is still relevant. Legendary...
legendary
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2. Who gives a fuck


we use a thing called language here...it is for communicating

bye bye
legendary
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I'm really surprised to see such a complete solution in a version 1 product. Know what I mean? When someone comes up with something this novel, normally, the first attempt will crash and burn. So I give Satoshi a lot of credit. He deserves every single bitcoin he owns.





How do you know BTC was version 1 ?  How many versions might not have survived ?

Bitcoin was not version 1


That is my opionion

thanks for the memories


Not crypto still version of electronic currency

NEW eLibertyDollar (eLD)

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raidalert_2_27_2008.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-29/westpac-in-global-money-laundering-scandal/4720050


The Westpac Bank has been caught up in what US authorities are labelling the largest international money laundering case ever brought.


bet you will find some friends their too


1. Do you know what crypto is?
2. Do you know the difference between their and there?
3. Thank you for answering my questions.

1. Yeah crypto is electronic currency

2. Who gives a fuck

3. Your welcome




hero member
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I'm really surprised to see such a complete solution in a version 1 product. Know what I mean? When someone comes up with something this novel, normally, the first attempt will crash and burn. So I give Satoshi a lot of credit. He deserves every single bitcoin he owns.





How do you know BTC was version 1 ?  How many versions might not have survived ?

Bitcoin was not version 1


That is my opionion

thanks for the memories


Not crypto still version of electronic currency

NEW eLibertyDollar (eLD)

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raidalert_2_27_2008.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-29/westpac-in-global-money-laundering-scandal/4720050


The Westpac Bank has been caught up in what US authorities are labelling the largest international money laundering case ever brought.


bet you will find some friends their too


1. Do you know what crypto is?
2. Do you know the difference between their and there?
3. Thank you for answering my questions.
legendary
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Smile


I'm really surprised to see such a complete solution in a version 1 product. Know what I mean? When someone comes up with something this novel, normally, the first attempt will crash and burn. So I give Satoshi a lot of credit. He deserves every single bitcoin he owns.





How do you know BTC was version 1 ?  How many versions might not have survived ?

Bitcoin was not version 1


That is my opionion

thanks for the memories


Not crypto still version of electronic currency

NEW eLibertyDollar (eLD)

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raidalert_2_27_2008.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-29/westpac-in-global-money-laundering-scandal/4720050


The Westpac Bank has been caught up in what US authorities are labelling the largest international money laundering case ever brought.


bet you will find some friends their too
legendary
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Target 1 would be 8,600-8,800$ if BTC breaks that we are off to the 9,000$ level again.


Everytime it breaks $9000 somebody on reddit creates a topic and says "this is the last time we see btc under $9k" and then few days later we go under $9k again.

I think they are dumping on us and like many told before they'll keep dumping it till we hit below $5k. They probably have enough bitcoins to give us 2-3 painful years before the next big boom.

It is mt. gox damn it....from what I figure they have to dump $240 million in usd of BTC a month, to get the liguidation done by the end of this year....*them

trustees want their cut and the Japanese Gov't wants this all over with)

thus, we will go to 9k and drop to 7k and rinse wash repeat for a month or two...then the mt. gox trustees will have a timeline, say end of the year and we will

drop to 4k ...it is gonna suck!




The Mtgox coins will be used by in conjunction with the japanese finance minister, central banks and the courts in ensuring the bitcoin price is cheap for friends to buy.

Come November 2018 - if lucky

They will have no more control and then we hope to see a real bitcoin market price.


In your opinion (with little to no evidence to back it up)


The opinion does not matter, research it what does.

Does the opinion hold merit

What evidence (your right) is there


these are not for me to explain but for any body who wants to look further to find out.

Tip one correspond all major bank, coin moves in media with charts and you can see the friends having fun

Does Jamie Dimon know the Japaneses finance minister...



legendary
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I'm really surprised to see such a complete solution in a version 1 product. Know what I mean? When someone comes up with something this novel, normally, the first attempt will crash and burn. So I give Satoshi a lot of credit. He deserves every single bitcoin he owns.





How do you know BTC was version 1 ?  How many versions might not have survived ?
legendary
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Target 1 would be 8,600-8,800$ if BTC breaks that we are off to the 9,000$ level again.


Everytime it breaks $9000 somebody on reddit creates a topic and says "this is the last time we see btc under $9k" and then few days later we go under $9k again.

I think they are dumping on us and like many told before they'll keep dumping it till we hit below $5k. They probably have enough bitcoins to give us 2-3 painful years before the next big boom.

It is mt. gox damn it....from what I figure they have to dump $240 million in usd of BTC a month, to get the liguidation done by the end of this year....*them

trustees want their cut and the Japanese Gov't wants this all over with)

thus, we will go to 9k and drop to 7k and rinse wash repeat for a month or two...then the mt. gox trustees will have a timeline, say end of the year and we will

drop to 4k ...it is gonna suck!




The Mtgox coins will be used by in conjunction with the japanese finance minister, central banks and the courts in ensuring the bitcoin price is cheap for friends to buy.

Come November 2018 - if lucky

They will have no more control and then we hope to see a real bitcoin market price.





In your opinion (with little to no evidence to back it up)
legendary
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Target 1 would be 8,600-8,800$ if BTC breaks that we are off to the 9,000$ level again.


Everytime it breaks $9000 somebody on reddit creates a topic and says "this is the last time we see btc under $9k" and then few days later we go under $9k again.

I think they are dumping on us and like many told before they'll keep dumping it till we hit below $5k. They probably have enough bitcoins to give us 2-3 painful years before the next big boom.

It is mt. gox damn it....from what I figure they have to dump $240 million in usd of BTC a month, to get the liguidation done by the end of this year....*them

trustees want their cut and the Japanese Gov't wants this all over with)

thus, we will go to 9k and drop to 7k and rinse wash repeat for a month or two...then the mt. gox trustees will have a timeline, say end of the year and we will

drop to 4k ...it is gonna suck!




The Mtgox coins will be used by in conjunction with the japanese finance minister, central banks and the courts in ensuring the bitcoin price is cheap for friends to buy.

Come November 2018 - if lucky

They will have no more control and then we hope to see a real bitcoin market price.
From $6000USD  upwards


legendary
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Here's to hoping that your forecast comes true!

Hopefully the drop to below 4k will be done inside 2018. The harder case would be a long 3 year grind lower.

I personally see 2.5k as being strong support (the 'Jamie Dimon' September low), although I don't think that will last long.
legendary
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It has been some time (March 2017) since we don't have three consecutive red weekly candles so... Nice green candle for next week?
legendary
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The problem with lottery winners is that they are bad with money in general. That's why they play the fucking lottery in the first place.

We only hear about the ones that want publicity. I bet the winners who want their identities kept secret are better with money than those who want publicity.
legendary
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The problem with lottery winners is that they are bad with money in general. That's why they play the fucking lottery in the first place. An argument could be made that state-sponsored lotteries are a way to keep the poor poor.

Agreed. Even a casino has a better ROI (less negative) more so if you take into account comps.

Lottery is almost a state sponsored scam.
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The problem with lottery winners is that they are bad with money in general. That's why they play the fucking lottery in the first place. An argument could be made that state-sponsored lotteries are a way to keep the poor poor.
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 Nice to see some upward movement!
legendary
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It is mt. gox damn it....from what I figure they have to dump $240 million in usd of BTC a month, to get the liguidation done by the end of this year....*them

trustees want their cut and the Japanese Gov't wants this all over with)

thus, we will go to 9k and drop to 7k and rinse wash repeat for a month or two...then the mt. gox trustees will have a timeline, say end of the year and we will

drop to 4k ...it is gonna suck!



The gox trustee isn't allowed to dump any more coins unless the court orders him to. The last dump was because the court decided he needed more money to pay interest on all the fiat owed.

The trustee says he's almost sure civil rehabilitation will be approved, which means all those owed Bitcoins get paid back in Bitcoins. Although there might be another sale of a relatively small number of coins the vast majority are likely to get returned to gox's customers.

It's highly unlikely they will get dumped on the market by the trustee.

https://www.mtgoxlegal.com/2018/05/18/update-18-mar-18/

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May 18, 2018 Andy Pag   

We originally calculated that the sale of the 16k coins that moved should be enough to cover all assets. While it’s regrettable that the court/trustee considers they need cash to cover all the assets before moving forward, we concluded there’s nothing we can do about it. We looked at ways to challenge it legally but there was nothing we could practically do.

The further movement of 8k coins caused some alarm as some people thought it implied that the Trustee was on track to liquidate everything. Our lawyer’s view is that that is not the case, but that we should recalculate to allow for delay payment interest. The bankruptcy statute allows for 5 or 6% pa. So the trustee will need at least 20% more cash than we had originally considered. Again it’s disappointing that so many coins need to be sold, and we can only hope the trustee is getting a good price for them.

He has said that he is selling them in a way that will not affect the market. This suggests he’s selling them to a holder, such as an EFT type institution. We will find out in the course of time.

Our lawyer has met with the trustee and has had conversations with his team. He’s asked me not to divulge the details he shared with me, but the information he gave me left me confident that CR will be approved. The Trustee has to arrange Gox’s finances in such a way that meet the conditions set out by Ito, and the court can then approve CR. There seems to be willing from all parties involved, but it will take some more time, and probably the sale of more bitcoins.

As well as stockpiling the requisite amount of cash, the Trustee also has to establish a Trust vehicle to hold the assets that flow into CR. Once this has done, the conditions for approving CR should be met, and the court can then give the green light. The suggestion is that all creditors vote on being paid through the bankruptcy, (better for fiat claims) or allowing your claim to roll over into the Trust, which will then receive the assets left over after fiat claims have been settled, and distribute them under a CR plan (through an exchange or directly with the help of a third party bespoke crypto payment platform and bank transfers).
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