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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I didn't know that Flippenings could have Reversinings?  Shocked

ETH created too many millionaires. Time to give some back. Tongue
Bitcoin created too many billionaires. Time to give some back. Smiley
Quiet you! Angry

All seriousness.. alts will probably start there.next leg up here soon as this was the third wave down for alts. If they do not rise up next few days Id become very verg nervous holding.bitcoin. The great crypto breakout was when btc and alts rose together. I had been waiting since 2013 for that. There were many shakeouts before and I knew since alts didnt move with btc that it was a fake.btc rise and it always was.. so if this thing is real.. alts should make a move here..

As a bitcoin holder id be careful what to wish for. Hoping for alts to.crash while btc rises is actually suboptimal to yourself. Not gonna go into why no time right now. Dont believe me? Watch and see.


Don't be ridiculous.  A 20% to 50% fall in various alts (or even in the alt market overall) is not necessarily going to have any real dampening effect on bitcoin.   In other words there does not have to be a direct correlation (nor causation) for bitcoin to appreciate 50% or 100% in the coming weeks.

You are trying to act as if the tail wags the dog, and dogs just don't work like that (and neither do tails).    Roll Eyes
You misunderstand the jist of my post. Its not.about that at all. Try to think.a bit more.about it. Put your.thinking cap one.if you got one.

 If you dont understand the true fundamentals driving this market and you are trading (assuming you are if your here) then your investing blindly.. that person is not any better than roach the infamous blind bat that doesnt understand how money works.

If I misunderstand the jist of your post, then maybe you could clarify such supposed misunderstanding?


I am suggesting that you are giving way too much fucking weight to the importance of alts, yet I do not claim to know the exact percentage of importance  - of alts, except for making the claim that you are giving too much weight to them in your suggestion that somehow bitcoin is dependent on the performance of alts in order to perform well.  Sure, I will give it to you that there is a symbiotic relationship going on that likely feeds both ways - but suggesting some kind of whiny hope that bitcoin folks better hope that alts perform well, otherwise the performance of bitcoin will be mediocre.. blah blah blah.. ... again... bitcoin is the dog, here.. not the tail...

Now, if I got this wrong, then please clarify.

Regarding my trading practice or abilities, I am doing just fine.  Thanks for asking.  Sure, my overall portfolio does better if BTC prices go up (that is why I invest in bitcoin and accumulate bitcoin), yet on the other hand, my portfolio also profits from volatility (and I presume that there is going to be a certain amount of volatility). 

Even though sometimes, I may make some short term BTC price predictions, my BTC trading strategy is barely altered by any of my anticipations and I largely just keep the same strategy no matter what the price direction.  In that regard, the totality would have been doing wonderful with BTC prices at $1k; however, currently we got about 3.8x greater prices, so my BTC portfolio is doing about 3.8x above wonderful and a lot of icing on the cake and a lot of margin for BTC prices to go down, if they end up going down.  In any event, I do watch some of the alts, from time to time, but believe that largely I do not really need to know a whole hell-of-a-lot about alts in order to keep up with my current trading practice and remain profitable and even flippantly reject your seemingly tail wagging the dog crypto hypothesis.     Tongue
legendary
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Bitcoin's going great...

But what the hell is happening with altcoins? Roll Eyes Can't we follow the old rule? When bitcoin goes up, alts go up too? Cry

If you think that there is such a "rule", then your thinking is deluded.

Sure, sometimes there is correlation... sometimes there is coattail dynamics, sometimes there is pumpening that goes beyond bitcoin, but these are not rules..   Every pump and dump cycle has it's own dynamics that may not be exactly predictable, but in this case there does seem to be some possible recognition of value.. that is bitcoin is much fucking more valuable than a bunch of copycat white papers, claiming to be bitcoin 2.0, with features that largely could be built upon bitcoin or a sidechain of bitcoin..  So it is not that the alts do not provide some value, but frequently their issuing of coins causes way more perception of value rather than fundamental value in terms of various networking and building that takes time rather than pure theories.
You cant do sidechains.. federated peg doesnt work. Spv proofs give miners too much power. You need quorum of oracles to sign off. It wont be done on btc as it requires bonded validators.. a pow+pos hybrid design. A trustless sidechain design isnt in the cards for blockstream

Well, whatever is the proper term, we do not need a bunch of these ICOs that are claiming to be able to do something better than bitcoin.. whether it is a sidechain or some other technical way in which a lot of the various proposed functionality (to the extent that they are valuable within bitcoin and blockchain) will likely become part of bitcoin or some kind of related bitcoin appendage.
Nope without sidechains.bitcoin cannot.expand usecases horizontally across markets. This is why alts exist and this is why the famous reddit posts.about how the announcement of sidecbains by blockstream devs were to officially kill any hope for alts will go down in in history as a fairly important and large scale miscalculation of this market dynamics. Well ofcourse sidechains were put on hold and alts gained vs btc because of the reason that some or a few actually do provide utility. We are still early on the curve so any short term blunders in price have no affect on fundamentals which are the true driver of any market. My thinking is that aslong as the macro trend is still intact regards to alts vs btc that the whole market remains bullish until that trend breaks. I leave the exercise to you on figuring out why.
legendary
Activity: 2044
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I didn't know that Flippenings could have Reversinings?  Shocked

ETH created too many millionaires. Time to give some back. Tongue
Bitcoin created too many billionaires. Time to give some back. Smiley
Quiet you! Angry

All seriousness.. alts will probably start there.next leg up here soon as this was the third wave down for alts. If they do not rise up next few days Id become very verg nervous holding.bitcoin. The great crypto breakout was when btc and alts rose together. I had been waiting since 2013 for that. There were many shakeouts before and I knew since alts didnt move with btc that it was a fake.btc rise and it always was.. so if this thing is real.. alts should make a move here..

As a bitcoin holder id be careful what to wish for. Hoping for alts to.crash while btc rises is actually suboptimal to yourself. Not gonna go into why no time right now. Dont believe me? Watch and see.


Don't be ridiculous.  A 20% to 50% fall in various alts (or even in the alt market overall) is not necessarily going to have any real dampening effect on bitcoin.   In other words there does not have to be a direct correlation (nor causation) for bitcoin to appreciate 50% or 100% in the coming weeks.

You are trying to act as if the tail wags the dog, and dogs just don't work like that (and neither do tails).    Roll Eyes
You misunderstand the jist of my post. Its not.about that at all. Try to think.a bit more.about it. Put your.thinking cap one.if you got one.

 If you dont understand the true fundamentals driving this market and you are trading (assuming you are if your here) then your investing blindly.. that person is not any better than roach the infamous blind bat that doesnt understand how money works.
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 11299
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Bitcoin's going great...

But what the hell is happening with altcoins? Roll Eyes Can't we follow the old rule? When bitcoin goes up, alts go up too? Cry

If you think that there is such a "rule", then your thinking is deluded.

Sure, sometimes there is correlation... sometimes there is coattail dynamics, sometimes there is pumpening that goes beyond bitcoin, but these are not rules..   Every pump and dump cycle has it's own dynamics that may not be exactly predictable, but in this case there does seem to be some possible recognition of value.. that is bitcoin is much fucking more valuable than a bunch of copycat white papers, claiming to be bitcoin 2.0, with features that largely could be built upon bitcoin or a sidechain of bitcoin..  So it is not that the alts do not provide some value, but frequently their issuing of coins causes way more perception of value rather than fundamental value in terms of various networking and building that takes time rather than pure theories.
You cant do sidechains.. federated peg doesnt work. Spv proofs give miners too much power. You need quorum of oracles to sign off. It wont be done on btc as it requires bonded validators.. a pow+pos hybrid design. A trustless sidechain design isnt in the cards for blockstream

Well, whatever is the proper term, we do not need a bunch of these ICOs that are claiming to be able to do something better than bitcoin.. whether it is a sidechain or some other technical way in which a lot of the various proposed functionality (to the extent that they are valuable within bitcoin and blockchain) will likely become part of bitcoin or some kind of related bitcoin appendage.
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 11299
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I didn't know that Flippenings could have Reversinings?  Shocked

ETH created too many millionaires. Time to give some back. Tongue
Bitcoin created too many billionaires. Time to give some back. Smiley
Quiet you! Angry

All seriousness.. alts will probably start there.next leg up here soon as this was the third wave down for alts. If they do not rise up next few days Id become very verg nervous holding.bitcoin. The great crypto breakout was when btc and alts rose together. I had been waiting since 2013 for that. There were many shakeouts before and I knew since alts didnt move with btc that it was a fake.btc rise and it always was.. so if this thing is real.. alts should make a move here..

As a bitcoin holder id be careful what to wish for. Hoping for alts to.crash while btc rises is actually suboptimal to yourself. Not gonna go into why no time right now. Dont believe me? Watch and see.


Don't be ridiculous.  A 20% to 50% fall in various alts (or even in the alt market overall) is not necessarily going to have any real dampening effect on bitcoin.   In other words there does not have to be a direct correlation (nor causation) for bitcoin to appreciate 50% or 100% in the coming weeks.

You are trying to act as if the tail wags the dog, and dogs just don't work like that (and neither do tails).    Roll Eyes
hero member
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*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*
Bitcoin's going great...

But what the hell is happening with altcoins? Roll Eyes Can't we follow the old rule? When bitcoin goes up, alts go up too? Cry
People converting altcoins to btc to get more bitcoin gold, i think.
How does that work? Holders of clonecoin get another kind of clonecoin?
As long as it's free why not.

Its really frustrating... specially if you own more altcoins than bitcoins. I wasn't actually aware of this another fork, just googled it. Roll Eyes

I didn't even extract my bitcoin cash off from the last fork through public/private keys, now another fork? This is frustrating.

I don't think so that alts can go further down though. Roll Eyes
Dont get frustrated, it's only temporary until the fork, maybe even sooner

You are pie in the sky simplistic, CristiTCM, if you believe that the only (or the significant) reason for the current BTC price rise is the upcoming hardforks... GET A GRIP...   Roll Eyes


^quarterly forks?  Shocked  lmao
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 11299
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Bitcoin's going great...

But what the hell is happening with altcoins? Roll Eyes Can't we follow the old rule? When bitcoin goes up, alts go up too? Cry
People converting altcoins to btc to get more bitcoin gold, i think.
How does that work? Holders of clonecoin get another kind of clonecoin?
As long as it's free why not.

Its really frustrating... specially if you own more altcoins than bitcoins. I wasn't actually aware of this another fork, just googled it. Roll Eyes

I didn't even extract my bitcoin cash off from the last fork through public/private keys, now another fork? This is frustrating.

I don't think so that alts can go further down though. Roll Eyes
Dont get frustrated, it's only temporary until the fork, maybe even sooner

You are pie in the sky simplistic, CristiTCM, if you believe that the only (or the significant) reason for the current BTC price rise is the upcoming hardforks... GET A GRIP...   Roll Eyes
hero member
Activity: 1848
Merit: 640
*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*
Bitcoin's going great...

But what the hell is happening with altcoins? Roll Eyes Can't we follow the old rule? When bitcoin goes up, alts go up too? Cry
People converting altcoins to btc to get more bitcoin gold, i think.
How does that work? Holders of clonecoin get another kind of clonecoin?
As long as it's free why not.

Its really frustrating... specially if you own more altcoins than bitcoins. I wasn't actually aware of this another fork, just googled it. Roll Eyes

I didn't even extract my bitcoin cash off from the last fork through public/private keys, now another fork? This is frustrating.

I don't think so that alts can go further down though. Roll Eyes




It would be frustrating if you are buying into the altcoin hype, and really believe their pump and dump bullshit, and you don't get out in time.. also frustrating if you really believe that this is the "bottom" of the altcoin dump.

I am not saying that I know for sure which way this thing is going because surely the alts can be pumped again, but you gotta think a bit more critically, if you are really so suggestive as to put more than half of your crypto allocation into alts.. I personally put over 95% into bitcoin; however, I can understand if someone might want to put 20% or 30% into alts.. yet I would still consider 50% or more to be quite a stretch and even crazy (and wishful gambling thinking) to be allocating in the 80% or more territory into alts (unless you really have some clairvoyant insight or inside connection).





^"blood in the streets" for ~90% of shitcoins  Grin  weeee
legendary
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There we go, everyone feeling a bit better now? Unless you sold of course.
Couldn't resist, Bought back into BCH for the bounce and out again.  Thanks for playing!
legendary
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In order to dump coins one must have coins
If we can just go up to $6k and then btc2 can be worth $4k at split before it crashes, that'd be great. Mkkaaaaayy!?!?!
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 11299
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Bitcoin's going great...

But what the hell is happening with altcoins? Roll Eyes Can't we follow the old rule? When bitcoin goes up, alts go up too? Cry
People converting altcoins to btc to get more bitcoin gold, i think.
How does that work? Holders of clonecoin get another kind of clonecoin?
As long as it's free why not.

Its really frustrating... specially if you own more altcoins than bitcoins. I wasn't actually aware of this another fork, just googled it. Roll Eyes

I didn't even extract my bitcoin cash off from the last fork through public/private keys, now another fork? This is frustrating.

I don't think so that alts can go further down though. Roll Eyes




It would be frustrating if you are buying into the altcoin hype, and really believe their pump and dump bullshit, and you don't get out in time.. also frustrating if you really believe that this is the "bottom" of the altcoin dump.

I am not saying that I know for sure which way this thing is going because surely the alts can be pumped again, but you gotta think a bit more critically, if you are really so suggestive as to put more than half of your crypto allocation into alts.. I personally put over 95% into bitcoin; however, I can understand if someone might want to put 20% or 30% into alts.. yet I would still consider 50% or more to be quite a stretch and even crazy (and wishful gambling thinking) to be allocating in the 80% or more territory into alts (unless you really have some clairvoyant insight or inside connection).


legendary
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At this pace we are 7k before SW2x....
Or are they going to dump sometime soon?
I think it's going to slowly grow until 25th of october but not 7k, maybe around 5k

I really hope so... Last time it went this fast it hit a massive dump at 5k...


We are not "last time."   Roll Eyes

We are this time.   Kiss

This time is different from last time, and we are more than 5 weeks older, too...   Shocked

My how time flies (and changes) when you are having fun.   Wink
hero member
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*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*
We´re going through 5000 like butter this time, just like that.
McAfee, we´re coming !






 Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool
legendary
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legendary
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just in case
ATH is coming, again.. Smiley
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I can see the demanding of bitcoin increasing. Therefore, I predict that bitcoin will reach all time high price range of $6000 per bitcoin before the arrival of the coming fork.

What about $20,000 ?


What about $50,000?

BTC===>$1OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Cool weeeeee

Well, this is a no joke situation and I mention the $6000 price range per bitcoin because the demand for seems to be high cause the price was at $4712 20 mins and now $4818 per bitcoin.
sr. member
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 We´re going through 5000 like butter this time, just like that.
McAfee, we´re coming !

hero member
Activity: 1848
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*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*
I can see the demanding of bitcoin increasing. Therefore, I predict that bitcoin will reach all time high price range of $6000 per bitcoin before the arrival of the coming fork.

What about $20,000 ?


What about $50,000?

BTC===>$1OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Cool weeeeee
legendary
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I can see the demanding of bitcoin increasing. Therefore, I predict that bitcoin will reach all time high price range of $6000 per bitcoin before the arrival of the coming fork.

What about $20,000 ?

$20.000 would be cool... but $21.000 is even better. Simple arithmetics.
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