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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 17190. (Read 26608978 times)

legendary
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I have removed the rest of your message as it is based on a wrong premise. No, it was not a stop-loss order. I learned not to ever use stop-orders on Kraken as they simply don't work as intended (exactly as you are describing). I underatand stop loss orders are NOT on the order book until they get triggered and inserted (whenever that happens) in the order book. This has NOTHING to do with that.

It was LIMIT ORDERS, opened several days in advance, already on the order book that HAVE NOT BEEN EXECUTED YET THE PRICE HAS KEPT RISING ABOVE THEM.

When I say the trading engine/order book in Kraken is broken I really mean it. There is absolutely no technical explanation to this. The only doubt I have is WHO profited from it.


I don't even pay that much attention but I have heard multiple shady stories on this form about both Kraken and Bitfinex.

Personally I would never use either of them. Trying to make gains via leverage gambling is simply not worth the risk when you factor in the high probability of eventual catastrophic exchange failure.

I use Gemini. Slight premium there that is well worth paying for the added safety.
legendary
Activity: 2590
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Welt Am Draht
I hate this stagnation, and it had been only a few hours xD

But that's why I can't become a trader. You need steel nerves to handle the movements of the market like this.
Me I'm just a poor lonesome holder.
At least you're sure you don't lose money, all you lose is capitalization!

Then if it becomes world conquering and comparatively glacial you're going to need a full time drug and nurse regimen to cope with it. People here are spoiled for action, sometimes not the action they want of course.
legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1530
Self made HODLER ✓

This is an old problem ... I am guessing that what has happened is..


That your stop is in fact converted into a limit order - whereby your stop and limit are at the same (or very close) price.


If your stop-loss order was converted to a limit order, and if the exchange was unable to sell at that price as the price had already dropped through that level,  then your order would not get executed...


I have removed the rest of your message as it is based on a wrong premise. No, it was not a stop-loss order. I learned not to ever use stop-orders on Kraken as they simply don't work as intended (exactly as you are describing). I underatand stop loss orders are NOT on the order book until they get triggered and inserted (whenever that happens) in the order book. This has NOTHING to do with that.

It was LIMIT ORDERS, opened several days in advance, already on the order book that HAVE NOT BEEN EXECUTED YET THE PRICE HAS KEPT RISING ABOVE THEM.

When I say the trading engine/order book in Kraken is broken I really mean it. There is absolutely no technical explanation to this. The only doubt I have is WHO profited from it.
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1251
I hate this stagnation, and it had been only a few hours xD

But that's why I can't become a trader. You need steel nerves to handle the movements of the market like this.
Me I'm just a poor lonesome holder.
At least you're sure you don't lose money, all you lose is capitalization!
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1016
Forgot I had a load of dogecoins.

Just traded them for 4.6 bitcoin.

That's a pretty good day

Huh? how many DGC is that?


3.3million roughly
legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 3015
Welt Am Draht
Nice. I just moved to Korea. Now I just need a Korean bank account.

North or South? Bitcoin looks like the coming thing in the North as they're being blamed for the ransomware wave. You could end up with your own 1 room shack and nylon safari suit.
legendary
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Ok yeah I see what you mean.

I'll try Bitstamp then, it's not really for the best to stay on a trading platform with such problems xD

It's not that I am vouching for Bitstamp either, considering the risks any and all trading platforms present. I am just talking about my personal experience/incidents or lack thereof.

Can you tell how many BTC were bought/sold in that huge spike to 2082€? According to the order books, it should take a massive order of almost 2000BTC to reach this price now. According to the charts, that did not happen (the volume in those spikes was about 100BTC). Therefore it was not a massive bought order but some kind of bug/error in their API. Dont you think so?


That does seem to be a likely explanation. Looking at the 5m chart, there seem to be two separate spikes above 2000Eur but both with rather low volume (100BTC)

Of course it was a "small" order that produced that spike BECAUSE IT BYPASSED THE ORDER BOOK.

But the problem is not in the API:


XBT/EUR

    Last
    €1,894.680
    High
    €2,082.958

    Low
    €1,757.400
    24 Hour Volume
    25,936.77
    Weighted Avg
    €1,879.344

There was real coins being bought at that price... but not from me or others even if we had lower sell limit orders in place way before that spike happenned. (days).

So the question is... who was the fortunate guy that sold them at that high price BYPASSING THE ORDER BOOK?

I was watching Kraken at that time.  I was waiting in a queue for two hours and had very little to do except keep refreshing all my coin charts, including the Kraken app.  I did not see that price reached or any unusual fluctuations in the price.  I do not believe it was real, or if it was it must have been so momentary that no other prices were hit in between.  A fat-fingered buyer perhaps?  Someone who thought they were trading USD instead of EUR??

It could be a fat finger or most probably a short squeeze. That doesn't matter... the price reached 2082€ (as you can see on kraken site itself as high price today), I had sell limit orders placed on the ORDER BOOK from several days ago at 19XX€ which should have been honored. The price cannot reach higher without honoring orders in the order book. It's as simple as that.

Even if the site became unusable during that spike, orders already in the order book BEFORE the fat-finger/short squeeze must be honored (My orders were there from several days ago). YOu can even halt the trading for some issue, but the price cannot get higher without honoring previous lower orders. That's how an order book (should) works.


This is an old problem ... I am guessing that what has happened is..


That your stop is in fact converted into a limit order - whereby your stop and limit are at the same (or very close) price.


If your stop-loss order was converted to a limit order, and if the exchange was unable to sell at that price as the price had already dropped through that level,  then your order would not get executed...


Why- would an exchange convert your stop into a stop limit order vs a market order ?
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Basically with a "straight" stop-loss order scenario (which executes as a market order), when the price reaches a predetermined level, the order converts into a market order - n this means the exchange will sell at the best price available.

The problem is, it could be well below the trigger price if there are no other bids on the books.


If there are two stop orders at the same price sitting on an exchange,  priority goes to the one that was placed first.  

So if X is trading at $30.75, and there are two stop market orders at $30.00, when price comes down and triggers the stops, the one that was placed first will get filled first.

But if there are also stop limit orders at the same price. Stop limit orders at the same price as a stop order will get priority, and will be filled first, even if they were placed after the stop order.  

In fact, stop limit orders below the price of stop market order can still get priority over a stop order.

 By placing a stop order you are accepting the possibility of getting filled “where the market is trading”. But with a stop limit order, you are only willing to accept a fill at a specific price or better   if stop and limit are too far apart - the price can fly through your limit price and there is no longer liquidity enough in your price range and therefore the limit order is not triggered .  

When price is falling fast which triggers a $30.00 stop order, turning it into a market order, then continues to $29.98 before filling that market order, a stop limit at $29.98 will get filled first. And if there is no more liquidity at that price and it drops to $29.00 before filling the market (formerly stop) order, then limit orders at $29.00 will also get priority

 in a thin or very fast market, your stop order can trigger, drop significantly and stay open, while stop limit orders get filled in front of it.

Guessing a variation of this is what happened in your case

legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1000
Korea BTC @$2800 currently ......

https://www.bithumb.com/EN/

Nice. I just moved to Korea. Now I just need a Korean bank account.
On camp, or standard city residential?

Looks like they are living the Bitcoin buzz, like it was for other major cities in 2013. Nice to experience if you can. 
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
I don't understand how is it possible to have such a strong difference between the two.

Anyone with a korean AND a european bank account can simply buy in Europe, send btc to korea, sell and do it again!

How many people on here lead dual lives between Europe and Korea? Probably not all that many. If it carries on then we'll all chip in to send you there if you split the profit.

Oh yeah I'm in Cheesy

But more seriously I guess it won't stay long enough. There MUST be someone with dual nationality and interested in btc.
And American, a European...
And most importantly, trading platforms themselves could do it!
hero member
Activity: 1276
Merit: 622
Korea BTC @$2800 currently ......

https://www.bithumb.com/EN/

Nice. I just moved to Korea. Now I just need a Korean bank account.

I don't understand how is it possible to have such a strong difference between the two.

Anyone with a korean AND a european bank account can simply buy in Europe, send btc to korea, sell and do it again!

Korea has very strict AML rules. If the arbitrage was easy, there wouldn't be such a price difference.

https://medium.com/cryptonight/investigating-the-great-korean-bitcoin-arbitrage-opportunity-32e4e547a730
legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 3015
Welt Am Draht
I don't understand how is it possible to have such a strong difference between the two.

Anyone with a korean AND a european bank account can simply buy in Europe, send btc to korea, sell and do it again!

How many people on here lead dual lives between Europe and Korea? Probably not all that many. If it carries on then we'll all chip in to send you there if you split the profit.
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
Korea BTC @$2800 currently ......

https://www.bithumb.com/EN/

Nice. I just moved to Korea. Now I just need a Korean bank account.

I don't understand how is it possible to have such a strong difference between the two.

Anyone with a korean AND a european bank account can simply buy in Europe, send btc to korea, sell and do it again!
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
Korea BTC @$2800 currently ......

https://www.bithumb.com/EN/

Nice. I just moved to Korea. Now I just need a Korean bank account.
sr. member
Activity: 381
Merit: 251
Korea BTC @$2800 currently ......

https://www.bithumb.com/EN/

Dafuck? xD

Well I was going to close my long... Will wait a bit :3
I'd love to see a 2800 here on Kraken!
legendary
Activity: 1652
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Forgot I had a load of dogecoins.

Just traded them for 4.6 bitcoin.

That's a pretty good day

Huh? how many DGC is that?
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 2846
Korea BTC @$2800 currently ......

https://www.bithumb.com/EN/

Bearstamp's back up to $2200 again. That's only $30 short of its ATH. Will it hit another ATH later today?


legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 3015
Welt Am Draht
It's something like this: http://clam.makejar.com/

There are other sites but I have found out that all those take a percentage and it is better to download the wallet and do it yourself. I have not yet finished the proccess, so no garantees on my part!

You don't need the clam wallet or a third party service, go to just-dice and redeem them there in the chat box and then send them to an exchange or whatever from the just dice wallet. It's not a huge amount but a bit of fun all the same.
legendary
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legendary
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Merit: 1530
Self made HODLER ✓
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Oh god man thanks!

I'm not sure My adresses were already funded 3 years ago though...
I hope so, I'll check that tonight when I got acess to my wallet!
I've the feeling you know that I'll see that my adresses were funded in 2015 and I'll be like "fuck off" tonigh but well, one's has to check this heh xD

np, good luck! And, I am not so sure about this yet (until I get the coins) but in any case be careful not to share the private key of a funded address or one that you plan to reuse again.

I am seeing that it is also valid for DOGE addresses, so maybe whomever said about his newfound DOGE coins can go for a combo on this one after cashing them out of their previous addresses.

Again, do any of this at your own risk. Not vouching for anything.
sr. member
Activity: 448
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Forgot I had a load of dogecoins.

Just traded them for 4.6 bitcoin.

That's a pretty good day

That's a damn good day. I'm moderately happy with my stash of bitcoin so I probably would have cashed the dogecoin into fiat & had fun with the money Cheesy



I just discovered that I can get some free CLAMS for each of my funded BTC address on MAY 2016 2014 (edited). I am in the process of syncing the wallet to do it. Free money! Smiley

ANyone else knows about some other coins that have some value and can get for free the same way?

I love the smell of free money in the morning Smiley

Free CLAMS for your funded btc addresses?
Is it something general that applies to all adresses?
Give a link bro, I'm interested ^^

It's something like this: http://clam.makejar.com/

There are other sites but I have found out that all those take a percentage and it is better to download the wallet and do it yourself. I have not yet finished the proccess, so no garantees on my part!

Also, it seems that you need to provide the private key of addresses that WERE funded on MAY 2014 (but aren't anymore, so you don't risk your BTC).

If I am wrong on my understanding, someone please correct me on this. And if anyone knows more coins that do this, please also share Smiley

Oh god man thanks!

I'm not sure My adresses were already funded 3 years ago though...
I hope so, I'll check that tonight when I got acess to my wallet!
I've the feeling you know that I'll see that my adresses were funded in 2015 and I'll be like "fuck off" tonigh but well, one's has to check this heh xD
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