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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 17409. (Read 26709096 times)

legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
$200 dollars gap between some of main exchanges(okcoin- finex)

this is madness

We all already knew Finex was backed by fraud and just about any Chinese monetary instrument is fraud^2.  One of the exchange owners is probably naked long by millions of dollars while the other is naked short millions of dollars.


In order to have whales battling it out, they do not necessarily need to be engaging in insider trading - even though that is possible, it is not a necessary condition in order to have sets of whales battling it out and sets of whales believing in the opposite direction..

In the end, which direction is going to win, or will we just end up consolidating for a little while until one side or another can gather some more ammunition?
In times of war there's no winner. War is bad for business. According to this we go down to the 12 dollar zone where's major support. Maybe after that a head and shoulders what will bring us to a price of 20 dollar.


That's bullshit.

You are attempting to conflate issues.

We are talking about trading and differences of opinions about price. 


This matter is likely to resolve within a small range (5-15%)... Sure we could get a correction that moves us in larger amounts (such as 15% to 50%), especially if  you throw in a bit of FUD and/or FOMO.. but the fact of the matter is that the larger the degree of variance  from our present price point, the large amount of ammunition that needs to be thrown at the situation in order to cause the desired direction - whether that comes from whales or whether that comes from the masses jumping on board to contribute to the resolution direction.
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
$200 dollars gap between some of main exchanges(okcoin- finex)

this is madness

Neither of them work as exchanges at present. Ergo there's no point in getting one's knickers in a twist about the prices they're signalling.
legendary
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where is the evidence of some kind of "fraud?"

We have a difference of opinions with the whales on Bitfinex and the whales on Stamp... and the others are waiting to see which way we resolve.

I don't understand what the evidence of bitfinex fraud is, at the moment.

What happened last August certainly doesn't bode well for them. At best, their security was run by nincompoops, that allowed a "hacker" to steal umpteen private keys. At worst, they are a bunch of scammers that used a "hack" as a cover up for running a fractional reserve after some bad naked moves on the marginal exchange.
I still have no idea why people would use them. I guess sheeple always go to where the most volume is, even if they're being led to the slaughter. Maybe they all think they can pull out in time. But we all know that simply planning on pulling out is a bad family planning strategy.  Cheesy
sr. member
Activity: 392
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$200 dollars gap between some of main exchanges(okcoin- finex)

this is madness

We all already knew Finex was backed by fraud and just about any Chinese monetary instrument is fraud^2.  One of the exchange owners is probably naked long by millions of dollars while the other is naked short millions of dollars.


In order to have whales battling it out, they do not necessarily need to be engaging in insider trading - even though that is possible, it is not a necessary condition in order to have sets of whales battling it out and sets of whales believing in the opposite direction..

In the end, which direction is going to win, or will we just end up consolidating for a little while until one side or another can gather some more ammunition?
In times of war there's no winner. War is bad for business. According to this we go down to the 12 dollar zone where's major support. Maybe after that a head and shoulders what will bring us to a price of 20 dollar.
legendary
Activity: 3948
Merit: 11416
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
$200 dollars gap between some of main exchanges(okcoin- finex)

this is madness

We all already knew Finex was backed by fraud and just about any Chinese monetary instrument is fraud^2.  One of the exchange owners is probably naked long by millions of dollars while the other is naked short millions of dollars.


In order to have whales battling it out, they do not necessarily need to be engaging in insider trading - even though that is possible, it is not a necessary condition in order to have sets of whales battling it out and sets of whales believing in the opposite direction..

In the end, which direction is going to win, or will we just end up consolidating for a little while until one side or another can gather some more ammunition?
legendary
Activity: 3948
Merit: 11416
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


where is the evidence of some kind of "fraud?"

We have a difference of opinions with the whales on Bitfinex and the whales on Stamp... and the others are waiting to see which way we resolve.

I don't understand what the evidence of bitfinex fraud is, at the moment.
legendary
Activity: 3948
Merit: 11416
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
what the heck has the price so disparate at finex? (i haven't been on the forum or following news for a week or so...)

My tentative theory is that the dumps of the last few days have been sort of renegade dumps, and accordingly there is a considerable difference of opinion between whales about whether we are going up or going down, and different whales have made their bets in opposite ways and they are not quite ready to give up yet.

Yeah, right we can have manipulation in bitcoin, and we know that manipulation happens, but sometimes the various whales are not on the same page.. and which way is this going to resolve? 

I was kind of resolved towards resolving upwards - but the longer that it carries out, I begin to lose some confidence in my own inclinations.

The next 24 hours are critical.
legendary
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$200 dollars gap between some of main exchanges(okcoin- finex)

this is madness

We all already knew Finex was backed by fraud and just about any Chinese monetary instrument is fraud^2.  One of the exchange owners is probably naked long by millions of dollars while the other is naked short millions of dollars.
member
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$200 dollars gap between some of main exchanges(okcoin- finex)

this is madness
sr. member
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what the heck has the price so disparate at finex? (i haven't been on the forum or following news for a week or so...)

Here you go

Nice. Manipulation confirmed.
legendary
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ah, shenanigans. gotcha.
sr. member
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what the heck has the price so disparate at finex? (i haven't been on the forum or following news for a week or so...)

Here you go
legendary
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Meanwhile, this crap's going down too. Shocked Shocked

https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions


Spam everywhere. Really interesting to watch.
For the sake of innovation keep on spamming.
Thanks Jihan Wu & Roger Ver.

Which one is interesting to watch? The video which the picture links to or the Blockchain.info data? Cheesy

You callin my transaction spam? HUH? ARE YAH, PUNK?!

Your transaction is probably the bacon and eggs that goes along with it. Or maybe the baked beans... Wink
legendary
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Meanwhile, this crap's going down too. Shocked Shocked

https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

You callin my transaction spam? HUH? ARE YAH, PUNK?!
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
Meanwhile, this crap's going down too. Shocked Shocked

https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions


Spam everywhere. Really interesting to watch.
For the sake of innovation keep on spamming.
Thanks Jihan Wu & Roger Ver.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1828
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
what the heck has the price so disparate at finex? (i haven't been on the forum or following news for a week or so...)

This is why. See below.  Roll Eyes

This market is flat out fraud.  $30 spread between Finex and Bitstamp.  Since we all know Bitfinex is an insolvent exchange that trades against it's own customers and also steals their money, I'm guessing that spread is also propped up by non-existent money just like Gox.  Why are people willing to put up a $2 million buy wall on Bitfinex but no other exchange to try and prop up price?  Because Bitfinex probably isn't even using real money, just imaginary exchange digits.  

I've been saying BitFinex is the new Gox forever and here it is.  There is no valid price of bitcoin as long as Bitfinex is the market maker.

The current chart looks like shit and is forming a down channel and you got fraudsters on Bitfinex trying to manipulate it up with imaginary money that probably doesn't exist:



Quote from: Kansas link=http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/kansas/dustinthewind.html
Now, don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ

Its one of the best songs ever made IMO. Bitifex will boom in a couple of weeks mark my words. The dip Wink
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1828
what the heck has the price so disparate at finex? (i haven't been on the forum or following news for a week or so...)

This is why. See below.  Roll Eyes

This market is flat out fraud.  $30 spread between Finex and Bitstamp.  Since we all know Bitfinex is an insolvent exchange that trades against it's own customers and also steals their money, I'm guessing that spread is also propped up by non-existent money just like Gox.  Why are people willing to put up a $2 million buy wall on Bitfinex but no other exchange to try and prop up price?  Because Bitfinex probably isn't even using real money, just imaginary exchange digits.  

I've been saying BitFinex is the new Gox forever and here it is.  There is no valid price of bitcoin as long as Bitfinex is the market maker.

The current chart looks like shit and is forming a down channel and you got fraudsters on Bitfinex trying to manipulate it up with imaginary money that probably doesn't exist:



Quote from: Kansas link=http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/kansas/dustinthewind.html



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ
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