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Will it take the wind out of the ETF approval announcement when it happens?

No

I'd also say no. Approvals are usually bullish for price until product launch date, while the launches themselves have always been bearish.

Look at the recent Futures/ETF based launches in Bitcoin's history:

December 2017 CME/CBOE Futures: -83%
September 2019 Bakkt Futures: -60%
October 2021: ProShares ETF -75%
November 2021: VanEck ETF -75%

Sure these ETF applications are different, as it's based on spot ETFs, but I'm not convinced that "this time will be different". At best we only see a 50% correction when price is around $50K-$60K compared to -60% to -80%, as an approval could push prices much higher in the meantime. That would also fit the current cycle with a bear market rally relief rally followed by final pre-halving correction scenario.

Remember the CME/CBOE approvals in August 2017 around $5K? Price went up 4x from there until launch date. So 2x from here doesn't seem out the question.

It's just another buy the rumour sell the news event imo, not much else in the immediate term. Ofc long-term, sure, it's bullish. No arguments there.


But...

December 2017 CME/CBOE Futures: -83%
October 2021: ProShares ETF -75%
November 2021: VanEck ETF -75%

was the Top of the 2 previous bullmarket. So seem to be quite difficult to compare with the current situation. As we are still in bear/side way market since +/- 2 years.


It's a fair point. It's the Bakkt scenario I'm more concerned about, that was after a strong bear market relief rally and months of consolidation (that turned into distribution) in the exact same time frame as this bear market. I highly doubt price would fall further than 60%, because as you said this isn't the peak of a bull market, but who's to say there won't be a run to $50K soon because an ETF approval.

Overall price increasing on an approval is more or less a given I believe, unless something disastrous happens during that period. Look at what happened when Greyscale won against the SEC, that wasn't even an approval and price spiked up by 5% within an hour based on positive news. I therefore don't really see how an ETF could launch without price first dramatically increasing based on the approval news.

So for me the two scenarios go hand in hand. The reason price dumps after a product launch is because the price dramatically increased leading up to it.

Globally agree with you, but we can still say, concerning BAKKT timing (september 2019), we had a REAL bear market rally. We went almost back to 14K$ in summer 2019. In comparaison, it's the 'same' if we went to 50K$, but we just did x2 from the bottom to 31K (and in a "below 200WMA scenario" for months, below previous ATH etc.). In 2018-2019, in a 'less' negative price scenario, we did  almost x5 (3K to 14K). Bigger correction at this time seem 'normal'.
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This thread's getting a little gay

.. no offense to Bob!  Smiley

I think it's OK if you spell it "ghey".  Cool

Maybe, but then people will ridicule me for not being able to spell... damned if I do, damned if I don't. Grin

Edit:

Or you could say this thread's getting a little LGBTQQIP2SAA+

I thought you were [jokingly] exaggerating, but no those are actual letters that have been added, smh. It looks like they stole the model # of a Single Port IP to Serial Asynchronous Adapter. Anyway, maybe that was a ghey joke..  Undecided  Grin

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It is letting you know the posts had received merit, but it doesn't mean the merit itself was deleted.. it's a little confusing.
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'The right to privacy matters'
it does make me wonder how those 9 merits were killed off.

They may not have been "killed off". It says "170 posts by 5 users with 9 merit deleted", i.e. it is quite possible that 170 posts from 5 users were deleted, for those deleted posts 9 merits were credited. Probably only posts removed, not merits. Other posts were unmerited.

That's correct the dual interpretation  does mean either could be true.

Every part was deleted.

Or every part other than the merits were deleted.

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it does make me wonder how those 9 merits were killed off.

They may not have been "killed off". It says "170 posts by 5 users with 9 merit deleted", i.e. it is quite possible that 170 posts from 5 users were deleted, for those deleted posts 9 merits were credited. Probably only posts removed, not merits. Other posts were unmerited.
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'The right to privacy matters'
 it does make me wonder how those 9 merits were killed off.
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
So go back and delete it which would take away the merit jjg gave you

at least I think it would.
Merit does not get deleted.

edit: I think only theymos himself can delete merit, and I think it may have been done before in abuse situations, but I can't find any link.

okay then why is this on front of thread?


"This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (170 posts by 5 users with 9 merit deleted.)"



Does merit only drop if the op (intofront) deletes it?

Or has merit deletion on this thread been ended in both cases.


okay testing it. 6215 in place with the tester



ok shows 6215..

so plus 10 merit

take THAT

edit: shows 6225 merits now
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'The right to privacy matters'
So go back and delete it which would take away the merit jjg gave you

at least I think it would.
Merit does not get deleted.

edit: I think only theymos himself can delete merit, and I think it may have been done before in abuse situations, but I can't find any link.

okay then why is this on front of thread?


"This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (170 posts by 5 users with 9 merit deleted.)"



Does merit only drop if the op (intofront) deletes it?

Or has merit deletion on this thread been ended in both cases.


okay testing it. 6215 in place with the tester.

so the 6215 stayed.  then I do wonder how the below happened.

"This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (170 posts by 5 users with 9 merit deleted.)"


Maybe it was done by theymos or a mod not the op intofront.
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
Does merit only drop if the op deletes it?

tossed ya a merit

lets see
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So go back and delete it which would take away the merit jjg gave you

at least I think it would.
Merit does not get deleted.

edit: I think only theymos himself can delete merit, and I think it may have been done before in abuse situations, but I can't find any link.
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'The right to privacy matters'
Apologies I'm editing in a sec
Thanks for letting me know.

The problem is not in the form in which you draw up a link to the source of this picture. The problem is that this topic has been actively discussed over the past few pages and more meaningfully. If you read the thread, you would know...
Thanks, Yes later went back to previous threads and realized it was already being discussed and that's my bad.

So go back and delete it which would take away the merit jjg gave you

at least I think it would.


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Will it take the wind out of the ETF approval announcement when it happens?

No

I'd also say no. Approvals are usually bullish for price until product launch date, while the launches themselves have always been bearish.

Look at the recent Futures/ETF based launches in Bitcoin's history:

December 2017 CME/CBOE Futures: -83%
September 2019 Bakkt Futures: -60%
October 2021: ProShares ETF -75%
November 2021: VanEck ETF -75%

Sure these ETF applications are different, as it's based on spot ETFs, but I'm not convinced that "this time will be different". At best we only see a 50% correction when price is around $50K-$60K compared to -60% to -80%, as an approval could push prices much higher in the meantime. That would also fit the current cycle with a bear market rally relief rally followed by final pre-halving correction scenario.

Remember the CME/CBOE approvals in August 2017 around $5K? Price went up 4x from there until launch date. So 2x from here doesn't seem out the question.

It's just another buy the rumour sell the news event imo, not much else in the immediate term. Ofc long-term, sure, it's bullish. No arguments there.


But...

December 2017 CME/CBOE Futures: -83%
October 2021: ProShares ETF -75%
November 2021: VanEck ETF -75%

was the Top of the 2 previous bullmarket. So seem to be quite difficult to compare with the current situation. As we are still in bear/side way market since +/- 2 years.


It's a fair point. It's the Bakkt scenario I'm more concerned about, that was after a strong bear market relief rally and months of consolidation (that turned into distribution) in the exact same time frame as this bear market. I highly doubt price would fall further than 60%, because as you said this isn't the peak of a bull market, but who's to say there won't be a run to $50K soon because an ETF approval.

Overall price increasing on an approval is more or less a given I believe, unless something disastrous happens during that period. Look at what happened when Greyscale won against the SEC, that wasn't even an approval and price spiked up by 5% within an hour based on positive news. I therefore don't really see how an ETF could launch without price first dramatically increasing based on the approval news.

So for me the two scenarios go hand in hand. The reason price dumps after a product launch is because the price dramatically increased leading up to it.
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Typo’d my dca and added an extra zero. Future self will be thanking current self at some point. Current self not sure if should be more careful or make more mistakes on purpose kind of maybe hah.


End of news bulletin Smiley

Source: ya reading it straight from the horses mouth
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Welcome to my ignore spammer.

TRY READING THE FUCKING THREAD BEFORE POSTING YOUR TWATTER SHITLINKS.

Apologies I'm editing in a sec
Thanks for letting me know.

yeah sure  Roll Eyes

 Cheesy   Well, he did edit.. but apparently to make the twitter link better?  smh.. you can't make this stuff up.


 Ah, it's the old  A. D. C. court trick.  Missed it by that much!
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Will it take the wind out of the ETF approval announcement when it happens?

No

I'd also say no. Approvals are usually bullish for price until product launch date, while the launches themselves have always been bearish.

Look at the recent Futures/ETF based launches in Bitcoin's history:

December 2017 CME/CBOE Futures: -83%
September 2019 Bakkt Futures: -60%
October 2021: ProShares ETF -75%
November 2021: VanEck ETF -75%

Sure these ETF applications are different, as it's based on spot ETFs, but I'm not convinced that "this time will be different". At best we only see a 50% correction when price is around $50K-$60K compared to -60% to -80%, as an approval could push prices much higher in the meantime. That would also fit the current cycle with a bear market rally relief rally followed by final pre-halving correction scenario.

Remember the CME/CBOE approvals in August 2017 around $5K? Price went up 4x from there until launch date. So 2x from here doesn't seem out the question.

It's just another buy the rumour sell the news event imo, not much else in the immediate term. Ofc long-term, sure, it's bullish. No arguments there.


But...

December 2017 CME/CBOE Futures: -83%
October 2021: ProShares ETF -75%
November 2021: VanEck ETF -75%

was the Top of the 2 previous bullmarket. So seem to be quite difficult to compare with the current situation. As we are still in bear/side way market since +/- 2 years.


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