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legendary
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It's going back up to the old bitstamp ATH. I doubt the dump won't last long. After the banks open on Monday it will probably break above the gox ATH.

Bitcoin price movements are soooooo predictable. Incrementally open longs during sharp price drops and never open short positions during sharp appreciation. I love this game! It is very easy to make money!
legendary
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It's going back up to the old bitstamp ATH. I doubt the dump won't last long. After the banks open on Monday it will probably break above the gox ATH.
legendary
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ATH in price is only one side of the coin. the other is market cap.

in 2013 the market cap was ~12B at its peak, and litecoin was less than $100M.

today bitcoin is almost $19B, and the next 5 top coins have a combined $2B.

cryptocurrency as an entire sector is up 8 *BILLION* dollars, or ~66% since the 2013 peak.

$8 billion has NOT been poured in since 2013. Supply in all of those coins have risen essentially people hodling = marketcap rising. I bet less than a few hundred million $ has been put in but essentially people are willing to hodl coins more and more as they lose trust in the governments and services appear that allow you to bypass fiat and spend your crypto anywhere fiat is accepted.

duh, thats how market cap works.
Yea i guss.. its just that many people end up making it seem like 8 billion has been poured in when it has not. The cap increases for sure..
So heres an.interesting thought experiment. What if you decreased supply to keep cap the same.but raise the price? Would that still be the same? I would say that there is a fundamental difference.between the two in that in one the opportunity cost changes and essentially goes back to the idea that velocity drives the true value of money. If supply increased but people held.. the opportunity cost is less than if 8 billion was put in to drive the cap up while supply remained static. The extra liquidity increases opportunity and thus you cant say increasing cap.via decreasing supply == increasing cap via increased liquidity and thus price.

If people held - that does not decide the price of the extra supply.

Price is determined by what people are prepared to buy the available supply at.  If that supply increases, then it does not matter if everyone who has the existing supply holds, the price becomes the price that the (increased) available supply is bought at.

Increased supply (if demand does not change) will normally decrease price.  The holders do not affect this, the buyers (and sellers) of the available supply do.  Decreased supply will normally increase price if demand is constant.

Market cap is useful in any traded asset, in that the measure is always the same; number of units of the asset that are available, multiplied by the current price of an available unit that the market will pay.  Any asset where units are uniform, that is reasonably easy to obtain with a known market price can be valued like this, thus it is a valuable metric.

Saying 'the money was not actually paid' is not relevant as this applies to all of such assets.  Apple shares are not all traded every day, many are held by pension schemes, but the company is still valued as the price of its issued shares multiplied by the number issued.

If the price goes up, then the value of all the available units is more valuable.

We all see our coins as 'worth' the current price. So we all believe in the market cap being an accurate measure.  Of course if everyone sells price will not be maintained, and the same applies if no one sells.  Supply and demand affects price and market cap equally, therefore it is a useful measure.

legendary
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ATH in price is only one side of the coin. the other is market cap.

in 2013 the market cap was ~12B at its peak, and litecoin was less than $100M.

today bitcoin is almost $19B, and the next 5 top coins have a combined $2B.

cryptocurrency as an entire sector is up 8 *BILLION* dollars, or ~66% since the 2013 peak.

$8 billion has NOT been poured in since 2013. Supply in all of those coins have risen essentially people hodling = marketcap rising. I bet less than a few hundred million $ has been put in but essentially people are willing to hodl coins more and more as they lose trust in the governments and services appear that allow you to bypass fiat and spend your crypto anywhere fiat is accepted.

duh, thats how market cap works.
Yea i guss.. its just that many people end up making it seem like 8 billion has been poured in when it has not. The cap increases for sure..
So heres an.interesting thought experiment. What if you decreased supply to keep cap the same.but raise the price? Would that still be the same? I would say that there is a fundamental difference.between the two in that in one the opportunity cost changes and essentially goes back to the idea that velocity drives the true value of money. If supply increased but people held.. the opportunity cost is less than if 8 billion was put in to drive the cap up while supply remained static. The extra liquidity increases opportunity and thus you cant say increasing cap.via decreasing supply == increasing cap via increased liquidity and thus price.
legendary
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legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
ATH in price is only one side of the coin. the other is market cap.

in 2013 the market cap was ~12B at its peak, and litecoin was less than $100M.

today bitcoin is almost $19B, and the next 5 top coins have a combined $2B.

cryptocurrency as an entire sector is up 8 *BILLION* dollars, or ~66% since the 2013 peak.

$8 billion has NOT been poured in since 2013. Supply in all of those coins have risen essentially people hodling = marketcap rising. I bet less than a few hundred million $ has been put in but essentially people are willing to hodl coins more and more as they lose trust in the governments and services appear that allow you to bypass fiat and spend your crypto anywhere fiat is accepted.

duh, thats how market cap works.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
ATH in price is only one side of the coin. the other is market cap.

in 2013 the market cap was ~12B at its peak, and litecoin was less than $100M.

today bitcoin is almost $19B, and the next 5 top coins have a combined $2B.

cryptocurrency as an entire sector is up 8 *BILLION* dollars, or ~66% since the 2013 peak.

$8 billion has NOT been poured in since 2013. Supply in all of those coins have risen essentially people hodling = marketcap rising. I bet less than a few hundred million $ has been put in but essentially people are willing to hodl coins more and more as they lose trust in the governments and services appear that allow you to bypass fiat and spend your crypto anywhere fiat is accepted.

But isn't that what asset valuations fundamentally are ... ?

If more people are prepared to hold onto an asset for higher prices they are implicitly placing more valuation in the coins/asset they are holding ... it is exactly the same thing as "pouring" $8 billion of value into that asset. Or else they would have sold .... and it is arbitrary that use USD (which is a devaluing asset) to measure the value of what is being "poured" into BTC anyway.
legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1005
ATH in price is only one side of the coin. the other is market cap.

in 2013 the market cap was ~12B at its peak, and litecoin was less than $100M.

today bitcoin is almost $19B, and the next 5 top coins have a combined $2B.

cryptocurrency as an entire sector is up 8 *BILLION* dollars, or ~66% since the 2013 peak.

$8 billion has NOT been poured in since 2013. Supply in all of those coins have risen essentially people hodling = marketcap rising. I bet less than a few hundred million $ has been put in but essentially people are willing to hodl coins more and more as they lose trust in the governments and services appear that allow you to bypass fiat and spend your crypto anywhere fiat is accepted.
legendary
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Lambie obviously spent a lot of time and effort in her trolling. If it weren't for her obnoxious obsession with pedo crap, geriatric porn, etc., and her personal attacks, she could have been one of the all-time greats.

It's pretty hard to laugh with a mouthful of shit.

Lambie, like a mind caught up in a vortex that it cannot see, spiralling endlessly.
legendary
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Imposition of ORder = Escalation of Chaos
please someone quote me:

the ETF is nothing but trouble for bitcoin. best case: it fails, we crash and recover.

done

double done

confirmed.
full member
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ATH in price is only one side of the coin. the other is market cap.

in 2013 the market cap was ~12B at its peak, and litecoin was less than $100M.

today bitcoin is almost $19B, and the next 5 top coins have a combined $2B.

cryptocurrency as an entire sector is up 8 *BILLION* dollars, or ~66% since the 2013 peak.

Confirmed.
member
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I wasn't here
ATH in price is only one side of the coin. the other is market cap.

in 2013 the market cap was ~12B at its peak, and litecoin was less than $100M.

today bitcoin is almost $19B, and the next 5 top coins have a combined $2B.

cryptocurrency as an entire sector is up 8 *BILLION* dollars, or ~66% since the 2013 peak.

Very good points
legendary
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₪``Campaign Manager´´₪
the ETF is nothing but trouble for bitcoin. best case: it fails, we crash and recover.
Why?
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
ATH in price is only one side of the coin. the other is market cap.

in 2013 the market cap was ~12B at its peak, and litecoin was less than $100M.

today bitcoin is almost $19B, and the next 5 top coins have a combined $2B.

cryptocurrency as an entire sector is up 8 *BILLION* dollars, or ~66% since the 2013 peak.
legendary
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Merit: 1520
Bitcoin Legal Tender Countries: 2 of 206
please someone quote me:

the ETF is nothing but trouble for bitcoin. best case: it fails, we crash and recover.

done

double done
hero member
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please someone quote me:

the ETF is nothing but trouble for bitcoin. best case: it fails, we crash and recover.

done
legendary
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please someone quote me:

the ETF is nothing but trouble for bitcoin. best case: it fails, we crash and recover.
uki
legendary
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cryptojunk bag holder
Not feeling much excitement. In spite of the price being the highest ever. Which tells me we are just getting started.

Same here, it felt like as if you are playing a video game and with that ATH you've killed the final boss and it's game over and credits are scrolling down the screen.

Although we are just starting I know, but this is my feelings nowadays  Sad
It's like: same ol', same ol', been there, seen that.
But I guess, it is all about bitcoin (and altcoin) pumps, they all look the same in the end. It is about how cool you keep and if are able to ride the wave and trade it properly.
legendary
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https://themerkle.com/r3-admits-defeat-stops-blockchain-development/

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In a presentation about the R3 Corda, R3CEV engineers, developers and researchers stated “No ‘block chain’ because we don’t need one,” admitting that the utilization and implementation of blockchain doesn’t fit their vision and more importantly, technological compatibility.

In terms of the price a bit of correction is happening at the moment.
Well that's ok. Let the machine cool off for a while before shifting back to full throttle.

Less than a week ago we had yet to break the bitstamp and bitfinex ATHs. Since then we have bounced below and above them a few times, and we might continue bouncing above and below them for another week or two. Eventually we will break the fake Gox ATH, but this time with real trades, not fake willy bot trades on an exchange that won't let you withdraw fiat.

Ironically when the Gox ATH breaks on the Chinese exchanges it will be on exchanges that won't let you withdraw Bitcoins, and that should be suppressing the price.
legendary
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BS everywhere! the ATH was 1242 USD on Mt.Gox in November 2013.

so NO new ATH so far folks!



wow! the lasts couple of days we have mentioned MtGox quite a lot of times yes???
ATH will happen when MtGox reopen and take us to the moon!!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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