Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 17875.

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Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 08:24:43 AM

Quote from: molecular on January 13, 2017, 08:18:41 AM

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 07:55:25 AM

Quote from: soullyG on January 13, 2017, 06:32:34 AM

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ZE Jiang(BTC.TOP): Huobi & BTCC stopped margin trading, OKc leverage only 1x, finally no more fake BTC generated by exchange

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/819808775032868865

Oh shit, after reading this and realizing the possible implications, I will have to be extra careful after opening a long... Planned to open one in a couple of hours... Roll Eyes

What possible implications exactly?

A possible 10x drop in Chinese volume, how do you think that would look? Bullish? Wink

Are we sure this is true? I just checked my huobi account and margin seems to be the same

I figured they were already doing that to me..
Once in a while during big moves it would take my margin availability away in one direction or another..
Or just simply not process my trades :/

... I'm not so convinced that the volatility can be blamed that easily on margin, lol..

If anything, legit margin trading should increase liquidity and decrease volatility..

Now just straight up manipulation of exchanges faking movement, fud news, hype news, blah blah, can definitely cause excess volatility..

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Quote from: petahashminer on January 13, 2017, 09:27:01 AM

that margin trading is the number one reason of that bitcoin volatility since 2015..

lots of people scared of volatility of bitcoin.

if margin trading stops as stated above, this will be a bullish news for all community.

there's plenty offers outside china

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that margin trading is the number one reason of that bitcoin volatility since 2015..

lots of people scared of volatility of bitcoin.

if margin trading stops as stated above, this will be a bullish news for all community.

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Quote from: European Central Bank on January 13, 2017, 08:26:25 AM

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 08:24:43 AM

A possible 10x drop in Chinese volume, how do you think that would look? Bullish? Wink

a 10x drop of something that never really existed. getting rid of an irrelevancy is a good thing in the long run.

1.) not sure the volume will drop that dramatically. They still charge 0% fee, right? They still lower withdraw fees based on trading volume, no?

2.) for those who take the chinese volume figures for what they are (inflated), a drop in those due to regulation should not be viewed as problematic

of course there are always those who misinterpret things and those people can move the market, I give you that. But I doubt it will be a factor.

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Margin trading + 0 fees = inflated volume and sickening volatility like we've seen on OKC and Huobi. Now we're going to back to more balanced figures. Don't think this is bearish immediately, as people might be afraid to sell their real coins now instead of borrowing them and then selling. Volatility is very likely to go down though, which could be bullish. But it is also unlikely we'll see $1000+ very soon again without crazy leveraged Chinese traders giving the price an extra push. Probably this is good for the volume on western exchanges as traders move back from Huobi and OKC for margin trading. So all in all I think this is a good thing, it's not very good to have the Chinese exchanges take up too much of the overall Bitcoin trading volume. Doesn't mean we've seen the bottom yet though of this correction. Personally I find it too dangerous to sell now, a quick move back up to $900 is in the cards and could happen at any time imo.

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I never regret hodling my coins. I just wait for price to go back up. Nothing lost today. Grin

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Quote from: r0ach on January 13, 2017, 02:55:21 AM

Quote from: Killerpotleaf on January 13, 2017, 02:36:39 AM

I suspect the PBOC will find evidence of fake humans, trading on huobi.

Or a Huobi exchange doesn't even exist and it was just a price feed originating from Karpeles' laptop.

Will they all be the same person/bionic trade bot?? A.K.A. "We observe huge volume of high-freq trade by users, often attributed to "faked by exchange" ".

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Quote from: Cassius on January 13, 2017, 08:31:03 AM

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 08:24:43 AM

Quote from: molecular on January 13, 2017, 08:18:41 AM

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 07:55:25 AM

Quote from: soullyG on January 13, 2017, 06:32:34 AM

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ZE Jiang(BTC.TOP): Huobi & BTCC stopped margin trading, OKc leverage only 1x, finally no more fake BTC generated by exchange

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/819808775032868865

Oh shit, after reading this and realizing the possible implications, I will have to be extra careful after opening a long... Planned to open one in a couple of hours... Roll Eyes

What possible implications exactly?

A possible 10x drop in Chinese volume, how do you think that would look? Bullish? Wink

So long as there's not been any fractional reserve shenanigans (which would, admittedly, surprise me but seems to have been the case from the reports so far) then this shouldn't make too much difference? Wash volume shouldn't move price, and ultimately if you can withdraw BTC and sell them elsewhere then price should take care of itself.

The spread between US and Chinese prices has narrowed not increased today. I had hoped the market would overreact bearishly to this, but I take the narrowing spread as a sign that we may already be moving to consolidating price discovery.
...I wish I like the bottom we have set in better.

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Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 08:24:43 AM

Quote from: molecular on January 13, 2017, 08:18:41 AM

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 07:55:25 AM

Quote from: soullyG on January 13, 2017, 06:32:34 AM

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ZE Jiang(BTC.TOP): Huobi & BTCC stopped margin trading, OKc leverage only 1x, finally no more fake BTC generated by exchange

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/819808775032868865

Oh shit, after reading this and realizing the possible implications, I will have to be extra careful after opening a long... Planned to open one in a couple of hours... Roll Eyes

What possible implications exactly?

A possible 10x drop in Chinese volume, how do you think that would look? Bullish? Wink

So long as there's not been any fractional reserve shenanigans (which would, admittedly, surprise me but seems to have been the case from the reports so far) then this shouldn't make too much difference? Wash volume shouldn't move price, and ultimately if you can withdraw BTC and sell them elsewhere then price should take care of itself.

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Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 08:24:43 AM

A possible 10x drop in Chinese volume, how do you think that would look? Bullish? Wink

a 10x drop of something that never really existed. getting rid of an irrelevancy is a good thing in the long run.

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Quote from: molecular on January 13, 2017, 08:18:41 AM

Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 07:55:25 AM

Quote from: soullyG on January 13, 2017, 06:32:34 AM

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ZE Jiang(BTC.TOP): Huobi & BTCC stopped margin trading, OKc leverage only 1x, finally no more fake BTC generated by exchange

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/819808775032868865

Oh shit, after reading this and realizing the possible implications, I will have to be extra careful after opening a long... Planned to open one in a couple of hours... Roll Eyes

What possible implications exactly?

A possible 10x drop in Chinese volume, how do you think that would look? Bullish? Wink

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Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 07:55:25 AM

Quote from: soullyG on January 13, 2017, 06:32:34 AM

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ZE Jiang(BTC.TOP): Huobi & BTCC stopped margin trading, OKc leverage only 1x, finally no more fake BTC generated by exchange

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/819808775032868865

Oh shit, after reading this and realizing the possible implications, I will have to be extra careful after opening a long... Planned to open one in a couple of hours... Roll Eyes

SkyNet😏
So it begins. The great btc bot revolt. Ack!

molecular

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Quote from: Tzupy on January 13, 2017, 07:55:25 AM

Quote from: soullyG on January 13, 2017, 06:32:34 AM

Quote

ZE Jiang(BTC.TOP): Huobi & BTCC stopped margin trading, OKc leverage only 1x, finally no more fake BTC generated by exchange

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/819808775032868865

Oh shit, after reading this and realizing the possible implications, I will have to be extra careful after opening a long... Planned to open one in a couple of hours... Roll Eyes

What possible implications exactly?

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Quote from: soullyG on January 13, 2017, 06:32:34 AM

Quote

ZE Jiang(BTC.TOP): Huobi & BTCC stopped margin trading, OKc leverage only 1x, finally no more fake BTC generated by exchange

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/819808775032868865

Oh shit, after reading this and realizing the possible implications, I will have to be extra careful after opening a long... Planned to open one in a couple of hours... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: jbreher on January 13, 2017, 04:48:17 AM

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Quote from: jbreher on January 13, 2017, 04:05:24 AM

OK, here's the funny thing. The central bank can bloviate all it wants. In the end the people have the power. (OK, it wasn't exercised in this recent India demonitization, but we should be ready for the next ((hint: it's coming to you)) ).

What do I mean? India was about 80% cash. Why would the people not just reply with 'fuck you - we'll just keep using these notes the same way we have been'. Nothing changes. 80% of all transactions continue being done in cash -- not recognized by the gubmint, but who the fuck gives a shit -- and Modi ( and his wall street financiers) get to stew over in the corner. I mean really -- for the people, what is the downside?

The problem is that you have to trust every other member of society to honour the value of that non-government-backed cash. It's like a massive game of Prisoners' Dilemma. Personally I wouldn't trust other people to maintain the value of my wealth (any more than I'd trust the government). Unless it has some sort of very widely recognised/intrinsic value, you're playing a very dangerous game.

But aren't you already trusting the government to maintain the value of your cash?

The reality is that fiat money only has value because the government accepts it for taxes. Take that away and you are literally asking people to trade against pieces of paper. That works so long as there is confidence: if people agree something is money, it is money. But if people start suggesting the emperor is running around in the buff, it's going to fall apart pretty fast.
Of course, the emperor is running around in the buff and things are going to fall apart. It will just take a little longer whilst the government is able to enforce the value of fiat.

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Quote from: jbreher on January 13, 2017, 06:36:50 AM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 13, 2017, 01:52:47 AM

I can't believe we're back on about block size again. My new compass is $700. I can't die holding bitcoins.

WTF? If you die holding any monetary asset, but no Bitcoin, I will have lost respect for you.

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Lol. I plan to go out in a blaze of reckless spending. Is that so wrong?

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Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 13, 2017, 01:52:47 AM

I can't believe we're back on about block size again. My new compass is $700. I can't die holding bitcoins.

WTF? If you die holding any monetary asset, but no Bitcoin, I will have lost respect for you.

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ZE Jiang(BTC.TOP): Huobi & BTCC stopped margin trading, OKc leverage only 1x, finally no more fake BTC generated by exchange

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/819808775032868865

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Decentralize everything

Back over $900 by next week?

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Quote from: Cassius on January 13, 2017, 04:11:02 AM

Quote from: jbreher on January 13, 2017, 04:05:24 AM

OK, here's the funny thing. The central bank can bloviate all it wants. In the end the people have the power. (OK, it wasn't exercised in this recent India demonitization, but we should be ready for the next ((hint: it's coming to you)) ).

What do I mean? India was about 80% cash. Why would the people not just reply with 'fuck you - we'll just keep using these notes the same way we have been'. Nothing changes. 80% of all transactions continue being done in cash -- not recognized by the gubmint, but who the fuck gives a shit -- and Modi ( and his wall street financiers) get to stew over in the corner. I mean really -- for the people, what is the downside?

The problem is that you have to trust every other member of society to honour the value of that non-government-backed cash. It's like a massive game of Prisoners' Dilemma. Personally I wouldn't trust other people to maintain the value of my wealth (any more than I'd trust the government). Unless it has some sort of very widely recognised/intrinsic value, you're playing a very dangerous game.

But aren't you already trusting the government to maintain the value of your cash?

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