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Why I do believe we will see in the coming decade or 15 years a market cap of $1T, what do you think ?

I see $11B is really nothing and it's just a warm up.

About 2 years ago I really thought Bitcoin would be superseded. I hedged a bit a bit into Peercoin because I thought that would overtake it due to its optimised design for "trunk capacity" i.e. the way the fees and the algo were structured were specifically to drive it into the role of a "financial backbone" as its designer had envisaged a multi-layered financial cryptocurrency system well before the lightning network even got started.

Then came the flotilla of "alts", none of which even made a dent in Bitcoin's marketcap despite being much more advanced technologically in many areas.

So then I realised that monetary roles and technological roles are very distinct priorities and in many ways in conflict and that was why Bitcoin had succeeded against expectations when all these alts arrived. Events since then have only confirmed this view. Even Ethereum, for all its technological vastness, hasn't done much relatively speaking.

Although I still believe we'll see a diversity of assets (I hold about 60% BTC, 40% alts) I think it's clear that Bitcoin is only consolidating its position, especially having fought off all that competition without even having had any of the large infrastructure developments that are now coming its way. That probably also goes for the few top alt coins that have shared much of the journey.

To me it's now a no brainer. The banks are bluffing with their "blockchain" nonsense. They've no use for a blockchain and haven't got the hashpower anyway. Once they start to discover that there'll come a tipping point (maybe already here) where eveyone switches from ignoring/attacking bitcoin to scrambling to be the first to support it with new banking business models along the lines of the Coinbase one.

As far as ultimate marketcap goes - think of a number. It's only going to get harder for anyone to compete as time goes on. The hashrate that the bitcoin network now has is phenomenal. It even needs its own unit of measurement it's so huge. (Go on coinwarz and do a page find, Command-F, for "PH/S" and see how many hits you get  Cool  )

Most people in industry still don't get it. It's a sleeping elephant just as the world wide web was. Nobody really remembers the point at which email became indispensable or when they stopped using a high street travel agent to book a flight. It was like the tide coming in - a slow, subtle but unstoppable change. I suspect the coming revolution will be a bit more volatile though because the world financial system is just so flakey right now that there's bound to be a few avalanches here and there along the way.


Really? It's captured almost 13% of Bitcoin's market cap in less than a year.

Mining it is really profitable, and accessible to the avg user, unlike the megawatt warehouses of the decentralized BTC.

To add insult to injury... it's rallying harder than the coin that is actually having its inflation halved:



The mindset that BTC's inertia is insurmountable is a dangerous one. Especially when its dev team is committed to crippling it in favor of as-yet-non-existent payment channels (channels that have huge incentives for centralization into monolithic hubs btw).

Pffffft, what am I thinking? Let's moon this biotch!  Cool
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Why I do believe we will see in the coming decade or 15 years a market cap of $1T, what do you think ?

I see $11B is really nothing and it's just a warm up.

About 2 years ago I really thought Bitcoin would be superseded. I hedged a bit a bit into Peercoin because I thought that would overtake it due to its optimised design for "trunk capacity" i.e. the way the fees and the algo were structured were specifically to drive it into the role of a "financial backbone" as its designer had envisaged a multi-layered financial cryptocurrency system well before the lightning network even got started.

Then came the flotilla of "alts", none of which even made a dent in Bitcoin's marketcap despite being much more advanced technologically in many areas.

So then I realised that monetary roles and technological roles are very distinct priorities and in many ways in conflict and that was why Bitcoin had succeeded against expectations when all these alts arrived. Events since then have only confirmed this view. Even Ethereum, for all its technological vastness, hasn't done much relatively speaking.

Although I still believe we'll see a diversity of assets (I hold about 60% BTC, 40% alts) I think it's clear that Bitcoin is only consolidating its position, especially having fought off all that competition without even having had any of the large infrastructure developments that are now coming its way. That probably also goes for the few top alt coins that have shared much of the journey.

To me it's now a no brainer. The banks are bluffing with their "blockchain" nonsense. They've no use for a blockchain and haven't got the hashpower anyway. Once they start to discover that there'll come a tipping point (maybe already here) where eveyone switches from ignoring/attacking bitcoin to scrambling to be the first to support it with new banking business models along the lines of the Coinbase one.

As far as ultimate marketcap goes - think of a number. It's only going to get harder for anyone to compete as time goes on. The hashrate that the bitcoin network now has is phenomenal. It even needs its own unit of measurement it's so huge. (Go on coinwarz and do a page find, Command-F, for "PH/S" and see how many hits you get  Cool  )

Most people in industry still don't get it. It's a sleeping elephant just as the world wide web was. Nobody really remembers the point at which email became indispensable or when they stopped using a high street travel agent to book a flight. It was like the tide coming in - a slow, subtle but unstoppable change. I suspect the coming revolution will be a bit more volatile though because the world financial system is just so flakey right now that there's bound to be a few avalanches here and there along the way.


Thanks for your insightful reply my friend Smiley

Some of China banks now refuses to wire money outside of the country, some banks already started to shut down and some is on the way of bankruptcy.

Sooner or later, Banks will embrace us, I recall that some banks already did, but when this moment come where the majority starts embracing, we will be reaching mars, not even moon.

Also, banks who wants to create their own coins, will miserably fall as their private SQL database Cheesy

If don't mind, I want to stress on numbers, why I feel and foresee that we will see $1T in the coming 10 - 15 years, and the most of the market cap will be from Chinese gold and silver bugs, investors and such.

Lets think about it in another way as "Zimmah" did here.

What do you think ?


if it turns out as predicted, $50000 by march 2017 would be plausible.

That would require a mountain of real people to suddenly throw vast amounts of their hard earned money at something almost all of them still know zero about.

Theories and fractals and friends are all well and good but don't play along with the real world.

What da f thats to much prediction for you men,  bitcoins price didnt really reach for that price as you mentioned and I see the biggest price reached by bitcoin in history is at 1k$ and follows by big crash hope it will not happen for this time, but for predicting bitcoin will reach to 50000 thats a lot of zero for predictinng and very imposible to happen and manny money tO invest so the price will go to that,  but the nearly prediction price is @ 700-800$ mark by that it can be decent and true to come prediction and we can say safe zone for bitcoin to avoid big crash

it will happen.

huge rallies cause the price to overshoot and then a large correction happens, but it will always end up being higher in the end.

what you fail to understand is that bitcoin is LIMITED and therefore the only thing that actually is impossible is for the price to stay this low.

assuming bitcoin will be adopted by more users it means the price will have to go up. And not by just $50 either.

More like by 100x at least.

Even $700~$800 is way too low.

Next rally will go to ~$3000 at least, but more likely $5000

If there is one after that (most likely in 2017) expect to see 5 digits (40~50k)

it's inevitable.

Imagine 30 million people (and 30 million people is not a lot on over 7 billion people worthwide) all want to buy 1 bitcoin for $500. We won't have enough bitcoin. So they will have to bid higher and higher. The 'poorer' people will have to live with less than 1 bitcoin.

I can not stress this enough:

the average amount of bitcoin people will have is less than 0.003 bitcoin

so therefore, 1 bitcoin has to be an INSANE amount of money. and $50k is just the start. f you think otherwise, basically you're saying bitcoin will never be used by more than ~10 million people. And that's an even more insane prediction than the ones i am making.

Just because you lack logic and mathematical skills doesn't make me delusional. I base my predication on math and logic, you base your predictions on what your 'feelings' tell you is 'right'
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Why I do believe we will see in the coming decade or 15 years a market cap of $1T, what do you think ?

I see $11B is really nothing and it's just a warm up.

About 2 years ago I really thought Bitcoin would be superseded. I hedged a bit a bit into Peercoin because I thought that would overtake it due to its optimised design for "trunk capacity" i.e. the way the fees and the algo were structured were specifically to drive it into the role of a "financial backbone" as its designer had envisaged a multi-layered financial cryptocurrency system well before the lightning network even got started.

Then came the flotilla of "alts", none of which even made a dent in Bitcoin's marketcap despite being much more advanced technologically in many areas.

So then I realised that monetary roles and technological roles are very distinct priorities and in many ways in conflict and that was why Bitcoin had succeeded against expectations when all these alts arrived. Events since then have only confirmed this view. Even Ethereum, for all its technological vastness, hasn't done much relatively speaking.

Although I still believe we'll see a diversity of assets (I hold about 60% BTC, 40% alts) I think it's clear that Bitcoin is only consolidating its position, especially having fought off all that competition without even having had any of the large infrastructure developments that are now coming its way. That probably also goes for the few top alt coins that have shared much of the journey.

To me it's now a no brainer. The banks are bluffing with their "blockchain" nonsense. They've no use for a blockchain and haven't got the hashpower anyway. Once they start to discover that there'll come a tipping point (maybe already here) where eveyone switches from ignoring/attacking bitcoin to scrambling to be the first to support it with new banking business models along the lines of the Coinbase one.

As far as ultimate marketcap goes - think of a number. It's only going to get harder for anything to compete as time goes on. The hashrate that the bitcoin network now has is phenomenal. It even needs its own unit of measurement it's so huge. (Go on coinwarz and do a page find, Command-F, for "PH/S" and see how many hits you get  Cool  )

Most people in industry still don't get it. It's a sleeping elephant just as the world wide web was. Nobody really remembers the point at which email became indispensable or when they stopped using a high street travel agent to book a flight. It was like the tide coming in - a slow, subtle but unstoppable change. I suspect the coming revolution will be a bit more volatile though because the world financial system is just so flakey right now that there's bound to be a few avalanches here and there along the way.
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I guess you made a small mistake here.

Andreesen Horowitz is investing $1.5B in many fintech projects, they are not poured solely into our ecosystem (Bitcoin).

Sorry, my bad. Thanks for the qualification  Cheesy


No problem my friend, it's ok Cheesy

But still I'm inspired with what you say, especially the latest post about Gold and Bitcoin.

I would like ask you a question, if you don't mind Smiley

As I always read ZH articles about Bitcoin, and that Bitcoin market cap has a very slight fraction from the $22T of the China's deposits or what so ever.

Why I do believe we will see in the coming decade or 15 years a market cap of $1T, what do you think ?

I see $11B is really nothing and it's just a warm up.
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When I decide to sell some bitcoins I'll go into gold. I prefer to depend on people that trust in gold as ultimate monetary form rather than depend on people that trust in US dollar. You have to be brain dead to keep your savings in dollars.
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I guess you made a small mistake here.

Andreesen Horowitz is investing $1.5B in many fintech projects, they are not poured solely into our ecosystem (Bitcoin).

Sorry, my bad. Thanks for the qualification  Cheesy
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^^^ If you are going to have the guns and ammo I would like to put in a request for you to shoot me unless you already have a waiting list.

You do know you can find on YouTube how you can melt a frying pan and make a gun out of it ... or melt some copper/bronze coins/wires to make some bullet shells.. and also the recipe for the inside content of the explosive power that goes inside it you can find.
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Seems to be the reverse now. Bullish as fuck!

You can say that again.

Games going with serve now.

Nearly 10k BTC Hobular volume fired straight into the 30-minute chart crossover which is unheard of so close to a 1-hour top after such a steep climb. We still have the actual halfing itself to come. And the capacity leap from 2.3 TPS to 100,000 TPS and quantum leap in VC capital.

Do you remember the hullabaloo over $500M VC capital in one year (2014) invested in Bitcoin companies ? Now we're talking 3 times that amount in just one single project.

None of this is priced in. In fact it was positively priced out during the massive profit take of 2014-2015. It's all still to come - not just for Bitcoin but for the whole cryptocurrency sector - so get strapped in.


Thanks for your awesome insights toknormal but pardon me, I guess you made a small mistake here.

Andreesen Horowitz is investing $1.5B in many fintech projects, they are not poured solely into our ecosystem (Bitcoin).
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anyone see this...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oklahoma-police-erad_us_57584060e4b0e39a28ac2083
Oklahoma Cops Find A New Way To Take People’s Money, Even If They Don’t Have Cash
A device that can access funds linked to prepaid debit cards is sparking new concerns about civil asset forfeiture.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3193201/people-avoid-oklahoma-after-highway-patrol-reveals-device-that-can-seize-money-during-traffic-stop/

http://www.news9.com/story/32168555/ohp-uses-new-device-to-seize-money-used-during-the-commission-of-a-crime
OHP Uses New Device To Seize Money During Traffic Stops.

expand the civil forfeiture abilities of the police they can now scan credit cards and bank cards and if they determine you have more money than you should have they can simply seize it from your bank account.

Time to tell the people of Oaklamhoma to use crypto
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Let me understand. In the event of some kind of long-term disruption to large parts of the internet, you plan to just up and build your own?

Yeah .. why not? It wouldn't be hard. The infrastructure would probably be terrible at first and we would probably communicate with point lasers in Morse code or with some weird ass trumpets that ancient sheep herders used in the mountains to communicate by sound. But I thought of a way to just bypass the electricity and use light directly to be readable from the optic fiber cable.
LOL. Money will be worthless in such a situation. Only important thing will be how much weapons and amo you have.

In a place where everyone has food and owns a home with extra empty rooms to spare for guests... The only thing that will be missing is entertainment. ( internet, alcohol, prostitutes, opiates, sports... etc. )
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^^^ If you are going to have the guns and ammo I would like to put in a request for you to shoot me unless you already have a waiting list.
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Let me understand. In the event of some kind of long-term disruption to large parts of the internet, you plan to just up and build your own?

Yeah .. why not? It wouldn't be hard. The infrastructure would probably be terrible at first and we would probably communicate with point lasers in Morse code or with some weird ass trumpets that ancient sheep herders used in the mountains to communicate by sound. But I thought of a way to just bypass the electricity and use light directly to be readable from the optic fiber cable.
LOL. Money will be worthless in such a situation. Only important thing will be how much weapons and amo you have.
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Remember when bitcoin used to go up slowly and crash fast?

Seems to be the reverse now. Bullish as fuck!

This may be the start of a flawless bullmarket gentlemen.
Very true, I really believe its being pushed up now though because of halving and the supply cut. Still hoping for 900+ in July  Smiley

technically this market is following a herd psychology - BTC still has not resolved its very big issues.  How long does a flawed asset climb in value?

i dont know, have we had enough experience with fiat
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Let me understand. In the event of some kind of long-term disruption to large parts of the internet, you plan to just up and build your own?

Yeah .. why not? It wouldn't be hard. The infrastructure would probably be terrible at first and we would probably communicate with point lasers in Morse code or with some weird ass trumpets that ancient sheep herders used in the mountains to communicate by sound. But I thought of a way to just bypass the electricity and use light directly to be readable from the optic fiber cable.

Solid. Cool
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Remember when bitcoin used to go up slowly and crash fast?

Seems to be the reverse now. Bullish as fuck!

This may be the start of a flawless bullmarket gentlemen.
Very true, I really believe its being pushed up now though because of halving and the supply cut. Still hoping for 900+ in July  Smiley

technically this market is following a herd psychology - BTC still has not resolved its very big issues.  How long does a flawed asset climb in value?
legendary
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Seems to be the reverse now. Bullish as fuck!

You can say that again.

Games going with serve now.

Nearly 10k BTC Hobular volume fired straight into the 30-minute chart crossover which is unheard of so close to a 1-hour top after such a steep climb. We still have the actual halfing itself to come. And the capacity leap from 2.3 TPS to 100,000 TPS and quantum leap in VC capital.

Do you remember the hullabaloo over $500M VC capital in one year (2014) invested in Bitcoin companies ? Now we're talking 3 times that amount in just one single project.

None of this is priced in. In fact it was positively priced out during the massive profit take of 2014-2015. It's all still to come - not just for Bitcoin but for the whole cryptocurrency sector - so get strapped in.
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Let me understand. In the event of some kind of long-term disruption to large parts of the internet, you plan to just up and build your own?

Yeah .. why not? It wouldn't be hard. The infrastructure would probably be terrible at first and we would probably communicate with point lasers in Morse code or with some weird ass trumpets that ancient sheep herders used in the mountains to communicate by sound. But I thought of a way to just bypass the electricity and use light directly to be readable from the optic fiber cable.
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Remember when bitcoin used to go up slowly and crash fast?

Seems to be the reverse now. Bullish as fuck!

This may be the start of a flawless bullmarket gentlemen.
Very true, I really believe its being pushed up now though because of halving and the supply cut. Still hoping for 900+ in July  Smiley
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can you PLEASE take it easy  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I would like to sleep  a few hour this week...

baby-steps up please guys
you have to obey me I am a HeroMember   Cool


Honey badger doesn't care....


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy   Wink

 Wink IN YOUR FACE  Smiley

Sorry bro ;+D
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Gold does not have a password and its heavy!!! And with that I end my argument.
LOL.
It's always fun to meet people that can't imagine a world without Internet.

Gold does not have a password and that is good, you can't forget it!
Gold is heavy at current price. When it appreciates x100 it will not be so heavy!

I'm the kind of person that has a coded book written in a language invented by me, that only I have a rosetta stone for it in my head. If I fail, or something or anything tries to take me down, I take down everything with me!

And I actually thought about a way to reinvent the internet on a mechanical level. Where electricity would be pointless. But not even 10x consecutive apocalypses we would not get rid of our electronics, because they are a good lazy solution to our complicated problem!

Let me understand. In the event of some kind of long-term disruption to large parts of the internet, you plan to just up and build your own?
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