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legendary
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are the blocks full because of spam tx's or genuine ones? like is someone artificially filling blocks atm or is it natural?

define natural. All xactions that conform to the protocol get included. They are all natural. That's the whole point of having a distributed open source ledger, so that nobody is in the position of telling us what we can do.

you obviously know what i mean but are purposefully trying to sound clever.

i mean is someone running a bot to send pointless transactions just to fill the blocks to put pressure on the core devs to do something.

what else would i mean by artificially filling the blocks.
legendary
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It's only sustainable if price can raise at a rate slower than average blocksize. I don't see how that's possible because a belief in rising xaction fees has the effect of pushing demand forward or in other words causing people to transact now rather than later which causes the blocks to grow. A self-fulfilling prophecy. 

So either you think a fee market will emerge, in which case you contribute to the capacity problem or you think it won't, in which case you hold off and allow the market to think demand for blockspace is lower than it is,  which creates less incentive to fix the capacity problem. How are you gonna take advantage of a non-jammed network without contributing to the jam? 

The capacity problem will not be fixed if it is not seen as a problem and it won't be seen as a problem if the exchange price is high. Miners will continue to profit selling a shitty inferior product because you assholes keep buying it. I can't blame them. You can't buy as much blockspace as you used to for the same amount of coin. You can't xfer it as fast for the same fee. It can be censored by the PRC.  One Bitcoin is a smaller amount of total market cap than it used to be.  Even if it's undervalued, it's not nearly as undervalued as it was at $350, so why the hell are you buying now? Got a tax refund burning a hole in your pocket?

And anytime BillyJoeAllen posts about a supposed "block size armageddon", all you need to do is post this as reply:

It doesn't matter what % of blocks are full you stupid fucks.  All that matters is what the average transaction fee is.  Since there is no minimum transaction fee, the blocks are basically designed to be full at all times eventually even if you set it to 100MB blocks.  Segwit + hard fork in 2017 = 3.2MB blocks.  Then schnorr multisig on top of that should lower transaction sizes and increase TPS further.

If blocks were designed to be full, then how come they weren't full until recently despite effectively zero fees?  cripplecoiners never answer that.

why would people do transactions simply because there is space? the fees were low for a long time because the blocksize was always more than big enough for the number of transactions. now that they are near full, the fee increases as competition for space increases. eventually, if the size doesnt increase, demand for space will lead to further increases in the cost to transact.

i dont think they were designed to be full, as that would require a dynamic blocksize. without dynamic blocksize, they are either not full due to low transaction count, just full when it reaches equilibrium, or over full when there is too much demand. The only way i see this becoming a problem is if demand is so high that transaction fees become intolerable, though i suspect that could happen very fast if transaction fees are dynamically increased as blocks become fuller.

It doesnt matter if most users dont see it as a problem, it will be fixed so long as the devs see it as a problem and miners agree. since when do decision makers take joe soaps opinions into account when deciding whether is an issue or not. Facebook users never considered how much data they were creating or how it would affect their beloved facebook did they? but yet facebook and their devs still pre-emtped the issue and solved it, regardless of whether the users considered it an issue or not.

 i dont see why bitcoin would be any different. facebook over loaded = facebook goes down. bitcoin over loaded, transactions get very expensive. this isnt a consideration that the vast majority of users will take into account ever so to say that blocks should be full simply because they its cheap to transact is wrong. to assume that users will front run others by sending transactions sooner because fees might increase soon is also wrong. to think that most users have that kind of foresight is wrong. to think that users will send transactions willy nilly just because they can do it very cheap is wrong. you are thinking about this as if people are rational beings and will always optimize their use of bitcoin and plan ahead, but people just arent like that.
legendary
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are the blocks full because of spam tx's or genuine ones? like is someone artificially filling blocks atm or is it natural?

define natural. All xactions that conform to the protocol get included. They are all natural. That's the whole point of having a distributed open source ledger, so that nobody is in the position of telling us what we can do.
legendary
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are the blocks full because of spam tx's or genuine ones? like is someone artificially filling blocks atm or is it natural?
legendary
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It's only sustainable if price can raise at a rate slower than average blocksize. I don't see how that's possible because a belief in rising xaction fees has the effect of pushing demand forward or in other words causing people to transact now rather than later which causes the blocks to grow. A self-fulfilling prophecy. 

So either you think a fee market will emerge, in which case you contribute to the capacity problem or you think it won't, in which case you hold off and allow the market to think demand for blockspace is lower than it is,  which creates less incentive to fix the capacity problem. How are you gonna take advantage of a non-jammed network without contributing to the jam? 

The capacity problem will not be fixed if it is not seen as a problem and it won't be seen as a problem if the exchange price is high. Miners will continue to profit selling a shitty inferior product because you assholes keep buying it. I can't blame them. You can't buy as much blockspace as you used to for the same amount of coin. You can't xfer it as fast for the same fee. It can be censored by the PRC.  One Bitcoin is a smaller amount of total market cap than it used to be.  Even if it's undervalued, it's not nearly as undervalued as it was at $350, so why the hell are you buying now? Got a tax refund burning a hole in your pocket?

And anytime BillyJoeAllen posts about a supposed "block size armageddon", all you need to do is post this as reply:

It doesn't matter what % of blocks are full you stupid fucks.  All that matters is what the average transaction fee is.  Since there is no minimum transaction fee, the blocks are basically designed to be full at all times eventually even if you set it to 100MB blocks.  Segwit + hard fork in 2017 = 3.2MB blocks.  Then schnorr multisig on top of that should lower transaction sizes and increase TPS further.

If blocks were designed to be full, then how come they weren't full until recently despite effectively zero fees?  cripplecoiners never answer that.
legendary
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It's only sustainable if price can raise at a rate slower than average blocksize. I don't see how that's possible because a belief in rising xaction fees has the effect of pushing demand forward or in other words causing people to transact now rather than later which causes the blocks to grow. A self-fulfilling prophecy. 

So either you think a fee market will emerge, in which case you contribute to the capacity problem or you think it won't, in which case you hold off and allow the market to think demand for blockspace is lower than it is,  which creates less incentive to fix the capacity problem. How are you gonna take advantage of a non-jammed network without contributing to the jam? 

The capacity problem will not be fixed if it is not seen as a problem and it won't be seen as a problem if the exchange price is high. Miners will continue to profit selling a shitty inferior product because you assholes keep buying it. I can't blame them. You can't buy as much blockspace as you used to for the same amount of coin. You can't xfer it as fast for the same fee. It can be censored by the PRC.  One Bitcoin is a smaller amount of total market cap than it used to be.  Even if it's undervalued, it's not nearly as undervalued as it was at $350, so why the hell are you buying now? Got a tax refund burning a hole in your pocket?

And anytime BillyJoeAllen posts about a supposed "block size armageddon", all you need to do is post this as reply:

It doesn't matter what % of blocks are full you stupid fucks.  All that matters is what the average transaction fee is.  Since there is no minimum transaction fee, the blocks are basically designed to be full at all times eventually even if you set it to 100MB blocks.  Segwit + hard fork in 2017 = 3.2MB blocks.  Then schnorr multisig on top of that should lower transaction sizes and increase TPS further.
legendary
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Does somebody know ehat is causing this price movement?

I don't know, but it's got everyone posting here again. I though this thread was dead after weeks of nothing but sparse NLC sock posts. A ten dollar pump later and all the old timers are back posting here again. This latest pump is unusually slow and steady compared to the usual sharp violent ones. Perhaps it's more sustainable because of it.

It's only sustainable if price can raise at a rate slower than average blocksize. I don't see how that's possible because a belief in rising xaction fees has the effect of pushing demand forward or in other words causing people to transact now rather than later which causes the blocks to grow. A self-fulfilling prophecy. 

So either you think a fee market will emerge, in which case you contribute to the capacity problem or you think it won't, in which case you hold off and allow the market to think demand for blockspace is lower than it is,  which creates less incentive to fix the capacity problem. How are you gonna take advantage of a non-jammed network without contributing to the jam? 

The capacity problem will not be fixed if it is not seen as a problem and it won't be seen as a problem if the exchange price is high. Miners will continue to profit selling a shitty inferior product because you assholes keep buying it. I can't blame them. You can't buy as much blockspace as you used to for the same amount of coin. You can't xfer it as fast for the same fee. It can be censored by the PRC.  One Bitcoin is a smaller amount of total market cap than it used to be.  Even if it's undervalued, it's not nearly as undervalued as it was at $350, so why the hell are you buying now? Got a tax refund burning a hole in your pocket?
legendary
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I was told that despite the title of this thread it also serves as the block observer thread.

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It's mostly a troll movement tracking & discussion thread sprinkled with a bit of blurb about segwit every now and again. We track and discuss lambie's latest socks. Adam should change the title to the lambie sock movement tracking & discussion thread.
legendary
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I was told that despite the title of this thread it also serves as the block observer thread.

For whatever reason it currently looks like a full block day.

Let's see if my transaction that I just sent which included a fee high enough too be rated "high priority" will be included in the next block.  Yes I actually have a use for btc and use it on a regular basis.

While I was typing this, a new block was found the size of which was 0.9982 MB  Shocked and I am happy to report that my "high priority" transaction, fee of 0.000113, was included in that block Smiley

https://blockchain.info/de/charts/avg-block-size
legendary
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I was told that despite the title of this thread it also serves as the block observer thread.

For whatever reason it currently looks like a full block day.

Let's see if my transaction that I just sent which included a fee high enough too be rated "high priority" will be included in the next block.  Yes I actually have a use for btc and use it on a regular basis.

While I was typing this, a new block was found the size of which was 0.9982 MB  Shocked and I am happy to report that my "high priority" transaction, fee of 0.000113, was included in that block Smiley
legendary
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Short closed.

Good ride up and then down for a few stacks profit.

GG till next time  Kiss

genius!
legendary
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Short closed.

Good ride up and then down for a few stacks profit.

GG till next time  Kiss
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It was acceptable when it was Buick back in the 60's. Land rover sold that thing in the 21st century.

Kinda like how 3tps was acceptable in 2011.

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Good long opportunity here?

Need someone to hold your beer?
legendary
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Good long opportunity here?
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How is segwit like a Rover V8?

4 Liters of displacement for the power output of a 1.7L.

Where are we at on Marcus' countdown?

3
legendary
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Bitcoin market cap: $ 6,606,589,066

6 666 666 666

Soon...

You can do it, bovines! The Dark One is on your side...

Two thirds of your posts are repetitive, inaccurate crap.
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