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Damn Adam,

I'm surprised you let this thread turn into another cesspool of debate.

Yeah, sig ad penny farmers, artists with an affinity for straight lines, highly specialized tea leaf readers... the place was actually tolerable back when block sizes were being decided by miners, not devs.
legendary
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Damn Adam,

I'm surprised you let this thread turn into another cesspool of debate.
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
ok we have unconfirmed good news poeple

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14012687

The only good news you need is right here:



If there are people who genuinely believe that THIS guy (Adam Back) is some kind of evil corporate lying back-stabbing individual, who runs an evil blockstream company that wants the bad of bitcoin, then they seriously need to readjust their evil-detecting radar.

trust no one....

especially when there's money on the table.

But if blockstream is onboard, then this consensus will move forward.and after a full year of poeple being promised that a HF to 2MB is coming.
it will be impossible to stop it. should they break their word, then the HF will happen without their consent thats all.

this is good enough for me.

confirmation that blockstream is onboard, will be a gr8 relief.
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if you small blocker truly believe the shit you say you should from a group that wishes to lower block limit to 0.5MB.

you'll get more decentralization and security, for everything else there's the Lighting Network promiseland.


I know that you know that most people want bigger blocks - sooner or later.
Why keep saying stuff like this?

Indeed.

Core makes BTC much faster (helps scaling) and resilient with 0.12, fixes malleability bug / introduces Segwit in a couple of months (1.7MB capacity) and commits to future blocksize increase that puts capacity at >2mb which classic provides. And we are still discussing "small blockers"? Why?

The amount of stirring shit for the lolz, resurrecting 5-10-20 day posts from the garbage, creating fictitious drama and "problems", saying that the end is coming because "blocks are full" when even 1c or even 4 tenths of one cent fee txs go in in a few hours despite "blocks are full" and backlogs, saying people can't be anonymous with bitcoin because with high fees there can't be no mixing (when fees are at practically zero cost AND the fact that cheap mixing is USELESS mixing due to the sybil attack vector where other parties can pretend to be mixing with you just to unmask you - I mean, if they pay almost zero fees, they can be pretending to be mixing coins all day so that they can see who else mixes with them), pretending there is some official camp that wants 1MB forevah and intentionally creating friction out of nowhere when there is no such camp (everyone is doing scaling work)....wtf? Are you all retarded and/or paid shills?

it's intentional manufactured conflict fud plain and simple. and will only intensify in the short term until of course 1 month from now , when bitcoin core will implement the first of their scaling solutions - then the argument ends because scaling will be accomplished for the forseeable future / ongoing. xt classic all the bitching attacks is being done prior to halving because this is crunch time at 4 months out from halving - last chance to try and derail bitcoin from those who want failure or to usurp the development of it and last chance to make the market shit it's pants for cheap coins / short profits. everyone knows bitcoin works perfectly well - every transaction gets processed i mean shit for a nickel you can move $50,000 across earth in half an hour and even the free ones process i mean wtf it works. and in 1 month will work even better with segwit and that alone will give more than enough breathing room for additional capacity increases to be implemented - a "problem" which is actually a *good* thing for crying out loud people like bitcoin and are using it more and more. and it would be potentially suicidal to make some contentious hardfork to "bitcoin whateverthefuck" - miners know it and core knows it (which is why they'll ultimately scale how and when they want) and you all know it whether or not you say it.
sr. member
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if you small blocker truly believe the shit you say you should from a group that wishes to lower block limit to 0.5MB.

you'll get more decentralization and security, for everything else there's the Lighting Network promiseland.


I know that you know that most people want bigger blocks - sooner or later.
Why keep saying stuff like this?

Indeed.

Core makes BTC much faster (helps scaling) and resilient with 0.12, fixes malleability bug / introduces Segwit in a couple of months (1.7MB capacity) and commits to future blocksize increase that puts capacity at >2mb which classic provides. And we are still discussing "small blockers"? Why?

The amount of stirring shit for the lolz, resurrecting 5-10-20 day posts from the garbage, creating fictitious drama and "problems", saying that the end is coming because "blocks are full" when even 1c or even 4 tenths of one cent fee txs go in in a few hours despite "blocks are full" and backlogs, saying people can't be anonymous with bitcoin because with high fees there can't be no mixing (when fees are at practically zero cost AND the fact that cheap mixing is USELESS mixing due to the sybil attack vector where other parties can pretend to be mixing with you just to unmask you - I mean, if they pay almost zero fees, they can be pretending to be mixing coins all day so that they can see who else mixes with them), pretending there is some official camp that wants 1MB forevah and intentionally creating friction out of nowhere when there is no such camp (everyone is doing scaling work)....wtf? Are you all retarded and/or paid shills?

Blockstream/Core NEEDS segwit for their future plans. It fixes malleability, which could be fixed in a multitude of ways, but is CRITICAL for LN type scrip systems. Importantly, it gives a 75% fee discount to signature heavy transactions, economic favoritism for the settlement network. Most importantly, it only needs miners to soft fork it in, not nodes... non-upgraded nodes are left blissfully unable to verify segwit transactions (a "nice" bifurcation of the full node structure)... no node level referendum on Core's dominance. 1.7MB equiv is a rosy view... a slower uptake from outside developers integrating the changes into their apps means more like 1.3MB. They dangled the carrot of a HF in July 2017, just to get the miners to go along.

Fees aren't prohibitively expensive today... but that means we have near 0 potential for growth... it's not a coincidence that the exponential uptrend in price has been thoroughly broken. Also, no coincidence that alts are exploding (lucky iCE), taking massive share from BTC.

It's obvious to everyone after 6 months of debating that Blockstream wants a constrained on-chain environment to artificially incentivize off-chain solutions... which (totally incidentally) will siphon off miner fees to hub operators. How the fuck do you think Blockstream is gonna get an ROI on $76mm of loot?

Look... I'm not against a form of seg-wit in principle, nor off chain solutions... but they need to compete on a level playing field. I'm sick and tired of scare mongering, DDoS, and censorship being employed to steer this boat in the most favorable direction for Blockstream. It may be going there despite my protestations, but I'm not going to just shut up and get steamrolled without complaining loudly about it.
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legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
ok we have unconfirmed good news poeple

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14012687

The only good news you need is right here:



If there are people who genuinely believe that THIS guy (Adam Back) is some kind of evil corporate lying back-stabbing individual, who runs an evil blockstream company that wants the bad of bitcoin, then they seriously need to readjust their evil-detecting radar.

trust no one....

especially when there's money on the table.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1049
ok we have unconfirmed good news poeple

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14012687

The only good news you need is right here:



If there are people who genuinely believe that THIS guy (Adam Back) is some kind of evil corporate lying back-stabbing individual, who runs an evil blockstream company that wants the bad of bitcoin, then they seriously need to readjust their evil-detecting radar.
legendary
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legendary
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Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
legendary
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^I hope you see what I'm doing here.

legendary
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What are you still doing here??

Adam is evil now too. Just like Theymos and everybody. Sad

I'd like to invite you to my totally mostly unmoderated discussion thread. We must fork away from Adam's tyranny. NOW!


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14011850
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14011850
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14011850

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It's the North Korea of North Koreas in here!!
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

It's not an "attack."  Core supporters are merely voting with their packets.

If that happens to disturb f2pool's existing datagram consensus with a more contentious version, well too bad.

Majoritarian Democracy > Nork Sensor Ships

I'm sure Wang Chun views it the same way, you lot are a charming bunch.

Replace the battery in your sarcasm detector.  I am mocking the Gavinista hypocrisy of selective outrage:

"Classic isn't an attack on Core.  Classic miners' blocks are merely voting to attack at a time in the future when they may have power sufficient to endanger Bitcoin's critical consensus.  If Evil Adam Back and Kim Jong-theymos don't like it, they can DIAF."
legendary
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if you small blocker truly believe the shit you say you should from a group that wishes to lower block limit to 0.5MB.

you'll get more decentralization and security, for everything else there's the Lighting Network promiseland.


I know that you know that most people want bigger blocks - sooner or later.
Why keep saying stuff like this?

Indeed.

Core makes BTC much faster (helps scaling) and resilient with 0.12, fixes malleability bug / introduces Segwit in a couple of months (1.7MB capacity) and commits to future blocksize increase that puts capacity at >2mb which classic provides. And we are still discussing "small blockers"? Why?

The amount of stirring shit for the lolz, resurrecting 5-10-20 day posts from the garbage, creating fictitious drama and "problems", saying that the end is coming because "blocks are full" when even 1c or even 4 tenths of one cent fee txs go in in a few hours despite "blocks are full" and backlogs, saying people can't be anonymous with bitcoin because with high fees there can't be no mixing (when fees are at practically zero cost AND the fact that cheap mixing is USELESS mixing due to the sybil attack vector where other parties can pretend to be mixing with you just to unmask you - I mean, if they pay almost zero fees, they can be pretending to be mixing coins all day so that they can see who else mixes with them), pretending there is some official camp that wants 1MB forevah and intentionally creating friction out of nowhere when there is no such camp (everyone is doing scaling work)....wtf? Are you all retarded and/or paid shills?

lol. idk. Huh
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1049
if you small blocker truly believe the shit you say you should from a group that wishes to lower block limit to 0.5MB.

you'll get more decentralization and security, for everything else there's the Lighting Network promiseland.


I know that you know that most people want bigger blocks - sooner or later.
Why keep saying stuff like this?

Indeed.

Core makes BTC much faster (helps scaling) and resilient with 0.12, fixes malleability bug / introduces Segwit in a couple of months (1.7MB capacity) and commits to future blocksize increase that puts capacity at >2mb which classic provides. And we are still discussing "small blockers"? Why?

The amount of stirring shit for the lolz, resurrecting 5-10-20 day posts from the garbage, creating fictitious drama and "problems", saying that the end is coming because "blocks are full" when even 1c or even 4 tenths of one cent fee txs go in in a few hours despite "blocks are full" and backlogs, saying people can't be anonymous with bitcoin because with high fees there can't be no mixing (when fees are at practically zero cost AND the fact that cheap mixing is USELESS mixing due to the sybil attack vector where other parties can pretend to be mixing with you just to unmask you - I mean, if they pay almost zero fees, they can be pretending to be mixing coins all day so that they can see who else mixes with them), pretending there is some official camp that wants 1MB forevah and intentionally creating friction out of nowhere when there is no such camp (everyone is doing scaling work)....wtf? Are you all retarded and/or paid shills?
sr. member
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It's not an "attack."  Core supporters are merely voting with their packets.

If that happens to disturb f2pool's existing datagram consensus with a more contentious version, well too bad.

Majoritarian Democracy > Nork Sensor Ships

I'm sure Wang Chun views it the same way, you lot are a charming bunch.




Charming or not, the world is as it is, and it doesn't owe Wang Chun a living.

I'm not supporting "voting with their packets" but the way the internet operates, it can't be prevented in practice and needs to be accepted as reality if one would like to engage in realistic decision making.

Absolutely...

To continue in the same vein, Core isn't owed his blocks. A fact that I'm sure is a little clearer today.
legendary
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It's not an "attack."  Core supporters are merely voting with their packets.

If that happens to disturb f2pool's existing datagram consensus with a more contentious version, well too bad.

Majoritarian Democracy > Nork Sensor Ships

I'm sure Wang Chun views it the same way, you lot are a charming bunch.

Charming or not, the world is as it is, and it doesn't owe Wang Chun a living.

I'm not supporting "voting with their packets" but the way the internet operates, it can't be prevented in practice and needs to be accepted as reality if one would like to engage in realistic decision making.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250

It's not an "attack."  Core supporters are merely voting with their packets.

If that happens to disturb f2pool's existing datagram consensus with a more contentious version, well too bad.

Majoritarian Democracy > Nork Sensor Ships

I'm sure Wang Chun views it the same way, you lot are a charming bunch.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

It's not an "attack."  Core supporters are merely voting with their packets.

If that happens to disturb f2pool's existing datagram consensus with a more contentious version, well too bad.

Majoritarian Democracy > Nork Sensor Ships
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