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legendary
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There was a spoofed message sent to the linuxfoundation mailing list that looked like it was sent by Satoshi through vistomail.com saying that Satoshi was not Craig Wright.
Theymos proved it was spoofed by checking where it really came from. I don't know how theymos did it, but couldn't he also check whether the Satoshi mail we are discussing is spoofed?


Of course he could.

But since the narrative of the message aligned with his own and with plenty of gullible salvationists like Alex hanging on his every word - why would he?

There is no salvation on the menu.

It's the fullblockalypse, the forkageddon and the second coming of satoshi combined. Let's fork bitcoin to "save it from failure" in order to trigger the event where he would be forced to officially declare it a failure - if it's him of course. That will work really well for everyone, forkers and non-forkers alike  Roll Eyes
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People are idiots... panic selling?  Grin  Grin  Grin
Don't you remember last year during first 6 months? Well, I do... there was 230-260$ price for 1 BTC, the same stories everytime... sell, buy, eat, sleep, fu*k, exchange...
WTF ?!
Price is 370$ which is very good in this moment! You think bitcoins will disappear?!!?

Let's think logic, my local bank in my country invested around 1 million $ in bitcoins last year. Do you think banks will allow for bitcoins to disappear?! There are bitcoins prepaid cards, there are ATM's all over the world, there are stores that are accepting bitcoins .. you really think it will suddenly be gone?

Also, it doesn't matter if you buy or sell, you send it to another wallet anyway, it never disappear no matter of what you have done... lol...

stop writing nonsense, bitcoins is 1st virtual currency in the world and will remain there
Agreed, bitcoin isn't going anywhere and 370.00 sure is a hell of a lot better still than 230.00 a couple of months ago.
legendary
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Ah, nothing changes. Another panic selling spike, another failed exchange, another Bitcoin obituary. Next up, another bubble perchance?
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When there is a technical issue at hand, not a social one.

I did'n follow the news. I thought there was a problem with bitcoin, not some social thing.
Looking into this, the first thing I see is a link to one of the first e-mails by the real Satoshi Nakamoto, which contains:
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At first, most users would run network nodes, but as the
network grows beyond a certain point, it would be left more and more to
specialists with server farms of specialized hardware.  A server farm would
only need to have one node on the network and the rest of the LAN connects with
that one node.

Which is contradicting the recent letter:
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For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network.

Stop wasting time on this hoax.
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There was a spoofed message sent to the linuxfoundation mailing list that looked like it was sent by Satoshi through vistomail.com saying that Satoshi was not Craig Wright.
Theymos proved it was spoofed by checking where it really came from. I don't know how theymos did it, but couldn't he also check whether the Satoshi mail we are discussing is spoofed?


Of course he could.

But since the narrative of the message aligned with his own and with plenty of gullible salvationists like Alex hanging on his every word - why would he?

hero member
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People are idiots... panic selling?  Grin  Grin  Grin
Don't you remember last year during first 6 months? Well, I do... there was 230-260$ price for 1 BTC, the same stories everytime... sell, buy, eat, sleep, fu*k, exchange...
WTF ?!
Price is 370$ which is very good in this moment! You think bitcoins will disappear?!!?

Let's think logic, my local bank in my country invested around 1 million $ in bitcoins last year. Do you think banks will allow for bitcoins to disappear?! There are bitcoins prepaid cards, there are ATM's all over the world, there are stores that are accepting bitcoins .. you really think it will suddenly be gone?

Also, it doesn't matter if you buy or sell, you send it to another wallet anyway, it never disappear no matter of what you have done... lol...

stop writing nonsense, bitcoins is 1st virtual currency in the world and will remain there
legendary
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Most of the blocks are full these days due to the high volume of transactions that is happening.
I do not know what is right for the block size but I believe it needs some upgrade soon

Dust & no fee transactions should be ignored, that'd sort it out until a later date.
legendary
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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list. .....
Satoshi Nakamoto
I had not seen that letter until now, but it looks like a lot of vague bla-bla without even a hint of a technical argument.
I'll eat my hat if that was written by any of the very skilled mathematician/cryptographer(s) that designed bitcoin.

What did you expect to read? Maths and crypto, for things related to social engineering, populist methods, consensus and forks?
Yes. That is what technical people do.

When there is a technical issue at hand, not a social one.
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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list. .....
Satoshi Nakamoto
I had not seen that letter until now, but it looks like a lot of vague bla-bla without even a hint of a technical argument.
I'll eat my hat if that was written by any of the very skilled mathematician/cryptographer(s) that designed bitcoin.

What did you expect to read? Maths and crypto, for things related to social engineering, populist methods, consensus and forks?

No, but something a little more intelligent would have been nice.

Do you still cling to the belief that this was written by satoshi in an attempt to ride in like a knight in shining armour to save you? Really?

The funniest thing about that ruse was gmax's earnest reply to it....


There was a spoofed message sent to the linuxfoundation mailing list that looked like it was sent by Satoshi through vistomail.com saying that Satoshi was not Craig Wright.

Theymos proved it was spoofed by checking where it really came from. I don't know how theymos did it, but couldn't he also check whether the Satoshi mail we are discussing is spoofed?


Update: It was not Satoshi.
This is spoofed.

Code:
   Received: from mail.vistomail.com (cpe-104-231-205-87.wi.res.rr.com
     [104.231.205.87])        
     by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01BCADF
     for ;
     Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:53:42 +0000 (UTC)

104.231.205.87 is not mail.vistomail.com. It's some residential IP, cpe-104-231-205-87.wi.res.rr.com.

I feel like the mailing list must be seriously misconfigured to allow this sort of spoofing... You could exploit this to send mail "from" any of the devs, for example.
See for more details: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6vy4/i_am_not_craig_wright_we_are_all_satoshi_satoshi/cxu7blm


I just saw this in the bitcoin Dev mailing list
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I am not Craig Wright. We are all Satoshi.
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html

I have no idea if this is legitimate, but it was sent (supposedly) by [email protected], which is the first email address that he used to post about bitcoin.
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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list. .....
Satoshi Nakamoto
I had not seen that letter until now, but it looks like a lot of vague bla-bla without even a hint of a technical argument.
I'll eat my hat if that was written by any of the very skilled mathematician/cryptographer(s) that designed bitcoin.

What did you expect to read? Maths and crypto, for things related to social engineering, populist methods, consensus and forks?
Yes. That is what technical people do. As a first public response in years, they would write a detailed and (mathematically) well supported response about why there orignal design is still good, or why and how it should be improved, not a short note without any technical support of there opinion.
Study the original paper and learn how cleverly all technical aspects fit together, and ask yourself if someone who designed that would write such a vague letter without properly substantiating and supporting his opinions.
legendary
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Do you still cling to the belief that this was written by satoshi in an attempt to ride in like a knight in shining armour to save you? Really?

There is no saving here. If he is truly Satoshi, then when Satoshi comes back after a fork it will be to declare the project dead.

Whether you hold core-coins or gavin-coins, you are fucked in that scenario.
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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list. .....
Satoshi Nakamoto
I had not seen that letter until now, but it looks like a lot of vague bla-bla without even a hint of a technical argument.
I'll eat my hat if that was written by any of the very skilled mathematician/cryptographer(s) that designed bitcoin.

What did you expect to read? Maths and crypto, for things related to social engineering, populist methods, consensus and forks?

No, but something a little more intelligent would have been nice.

Do you still cling to the belief that this was written by satoshi in an attempt to ride in like a knight in shining armour to save you? Really?

The funniest thing about that ruse was gmax's earnest reply to it....
legendary
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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list. .....
Satoshi Nakamoto
I had not seen that letter until now, but it looks like a lot of vague bla-bla without even a hint of a technical argument.
I'll eat my hat if that was written by any of the very skilled mathematician/cryptographer(s) that designed bitcoin.

What did you expect to read? Maths and crypto, for things related to social engineering, populist methods, consensus and forks?
legendary
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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list. .....
Satoshi Nakamoto
I had not seen that letter until now, but it looks like a lot of vague bla-bla without even a hint of a technical argument.
I'll eat my hat if that was written by any of the very skilled mathematician/cryptographer(s) that designed bitcoin.
legendary
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I think you got it backwards. The volatility was the result of main stream media attention to the threat of stalling growth of Bitcoin due to the shortage of block space.

Growth of micropayments was not on the table, per Satoshi himself. They don't scale with the existing tech. He was hoping for technology to solve this issue - and so far this hasn't been the case. It may be solved in 10-20 years, right now it isn't.

Now that it slowly but surely becomes clear that Core is getting ditched for Classic by the community, the volatility is getting less. Once more details emerge about the implementation path of Classic, you can expect a rally.

There is a serious risk that the post of Satoshi against XT fork is real. In that case, if the "classic" fork succeeds, what Hearn says about bitcoin dying will be ...nothing compared to a Satoshi declaration of BTC failure.

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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list.  I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus.  However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about this very dangerous fork.

The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth.  When I designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement.  Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto.  Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without being forced or pressured into it.  By doing a fork in this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to honour.

They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to be.  However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions.  For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network.  Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution.  I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism.

If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project. Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust.  This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold.

Satoshi Nakamoto

Do you feel lucky?

I don't.

There has been a social engineering attack and it has been successful.

If btc turns to gavincoin / nsacoin under the pretext of "larger blocks urgency" =>  it's dead (per Satoshi). And we may have a public obituary for it by fuckin' Satoshi.
if core folds and goes to 2mb or segwit right now => it's theoretically better than turning btc into gavincoin but it's still a social engineering attack success, in terms of pushing things and breaking consensus under the threat of a hard fork.

The parameter that "btc fails because there is no space" is for technically ignorant people. At most some dust will transact with a lower priority due to zero or low fees.
legendary
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It's Bitcoin after all ...  Grin



But, that's ... it's new ...  Tongue

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

What's that you say? The price won't go much lower than this? Better do your after Christmas buy back now? Ok, if you say so.
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Slowly but surely we're getting out of the woods.

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