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So what's the probability of Bitcoin becoming the World Reserve Currency if the on chain transaction capacity is 500,000/day? Zero. The IMF's SDR has a higher capacity than that nowand most people don't even know what the hell I'm talking about.

With eight billion people on the planet, that would be only 1 transaction per day for every 8,000 people ( 2 people per xaction).  or one send and one recieve for only 1 in 16,000 people.  That means that almost everything would be handled by middlemen, the same bankster assholes Bitcoin was created to route around.





Anything less than 20 BTC will have to be delivered by paper wallet, in the mail. Grin Sad
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We've been over and over this. There's no reason why the blockchain has to be small.

It is definitely destined to become big. However, the blockchain should not be treated like a dumpster.

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Not when broadband is ubiquitous. Not when 1TB hard drives cost less than a carton of smokes.  My XTnode cost me $118 bucks. The cost is trivial, and even if it becomes less trivial, nodes will still be run because those of us with an incentive to keep the network operating smoothly will do so.

It depends on the scaling parameters.

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Someday a bitcoin node may be the size of a google datacenter. So what?

It's not unlikely that it will happen but at that point the centralization factor will have gone up ...a lot.

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You don't seem to understand certain things, like why aren't blocks filling up now when fees are either zero or near zero.

It's not me crying doom for 1MB blocksize and fee increases...

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The risk of orphaned blocks is real. it happens all the time.  It's because miners can chose how big to make their blocks now by deciding which transactions to include.  Miners, smart miners, most miners don't care about what percentage of their compensation comes from block reward and which part comes from fees. They only care about ROI, like any sane businessman. If they can make more money from bigger blocks, they'll do it. If they can make more money from smaller blocks, they'll do that.  

Not all miners behave the same way.

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You want to keeps blocks small to make stress tests less likely. Why? Stress tests are a good thing. They are important for determining the safety and security of the network.

There's not much that a stress test can reveal that a script on a virtual testnet can't. And the second one won't have a lasting imprint on the blockchain.

I mean you know beforehand what will happen. If you start spamming, the blockchain size will start increasing, free txs will slow down a lot in their processing while those txs with fees will go through quickly.

Actually I'm concerned with far bigger attack vector implementations by "the powers that be". And the thing is, these guys are more dangerous than the average script kiddie because they also have money to pay for the tx fees. In that scenario you are fucked because they can do both bloating + tx crowding over the rest of the users, by paying more fees and rendering the network unusable. So you need much better solutions than increasing the blocksize (which will happen when it is necessary).

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A half million transaction/day isn't enough for bitcoin to be anything more than a hobby network.

How many txs do you want it to handle per day?

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Nobody can build a business model around Bitcoin now without knowing what the future capacity will be. People need to plan.

All the bitcoin developers want Bitcoin to scale and there is 100% consensus on that. This practically guarantees it will happen, despite their differences on whether the blocksize should be raised now, raised temporarily (kicking the can), raised later, have something else done, etc etc.

The precise numbers on how scaling will go down on 5 years, 10 years, 20 years are pretty much unknown but that will not stop investments or businesses.
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So what's the probability of Bitcoin becoming the World Reserve Currency if the on chain transaction capacity is 500,000/day? Zero. The IMF's SDR has a higher capacity than that nowand most people don't even know what the hell I'm talking about.

With eight billion people on the planet, that would be only 1 transaction per day for every 8,000 people ( 2 people per xaction).  or one send and one recieve for only 1 in 16,000 people.  That means that almost everything would be handled by middlemen, the same bankster assholes Bitcoin was created to route around.



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Is it still okay to hold? I noticed btc price is falling today will it continue or will this bounce again? Please no rude response in my post, I don't understand the images I'm seein in this thread when I tries back reading..Grin

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Is it still okay to hold? I noticed btc price is falling today will it continue or will this bounce again? Please no rude response in my post, I don't understand the images I'm seein in this thread when I tries back reading..Grin
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425.72 on Stamp - Will this hold over the next 12-24 hours?

If I had to bet on it I'd say no!

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... so I'm pretty relaxed.

Smart. It'll hurt so much less.
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THIRTY years from now, Americans, Japanese, Europeans, and people in many other rich countries, and some relatively poor ones will probably be paying for their shopping with the same currency. Prices will be quoted not in dollars, yen or D-marks but in, let’s say, the phoenix. The phoenix will be favoured by companies and shoppers because it will be more convenient than today’s national currencies, which by then will seem a quaint cause of much disruption to economic life in the last twentieth century.

At the beginning of 1988 this appears an outlandish prediction. Proposals for eventual monetary union proliferated five and ten years ago, but they hardly envisaged the setbacks of 1987. The governments of the big economies tried to move an inch or two towards a more managed system of exchange rates – a logical preliminary, it might seem, to radical monetary reform. For lack of co-operation in their underlying economic policies they bungled it horribly, and provoked the rise in interest rates that brought on the stock market crash of October. These events have chastened exchange-rate reformers. The market crash taught them that the pretence of policy co-operation can be worse than nothing, and that until real co-operation is feasible (i.e., until governments surrender some economic sovereignty) further attempts to peg currencies will flounder.

The new world economy
The biggest change in the world economy since the early 1970’s is that flows of money have replaced trade in goods as the force that drives exchange rates. as a result of the relentless integration of the world’s financial markets, differences in national economic policies can disturb interest rates (or expectations of future interest rates) only slightly, yet still call forth huge transfers of financial assets from one country to another. These transfers swamp the flow of trade revenues in their effect on the demand and supply for different currencies, and hence in their effect on exchange rates. As telecommunications technology continues to advance, these transactions will be cheaper and faster still. With unco-ordinated economic policies, currencies can get only more volatile.
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In all these ways national economic boundaries are slowly dissolving. As the trend continues, the appeal of a currency union across at least the main industrial countries will seem irresistible to everybody except foreign-exchange traders and governments. In the phoenix zone, economic adjustment to shifts in relative prices would happen smoothly and automatically, rather as it does today between different regions within large economies (a brief on pages 74-75 explains how.) The absence of all currency risk would spur trade, investment and employment.

The phoenix zone would impose tight constraints on national governments. There would be no such thing, for instance, as a national monetary policy. The world phoenix supply would be fixed by a new central bank, descended perhaps from the IMF. The world inflation rate – and hence, within narrow margins, each national inflation rate- would be in its charge. Each country could use taxes and public spending to offset temporary falls in demand, but it would have to borrow rather than print money to finance its budget deficit. With no recourse to the inflation tax, governments and their creditors would be forced to judge their borrowing and lending plans more carefully than they do today. This means a big loss of economic sovereignty, but the trends that make the phoenix so appealing are taking that sovereignty away in any case. Even in a world of more-or-less floating exchange rates, individual governments have seen their policy independence checked by an unfriendly outside world.

As the next century approaches, the natural forces that are pushing the world towards economic integration will offer governments a broad choice. They can go with the flow, or they can build barricades. Preparing the way for the phoenix will mean fewer pretended agreements on policy and more real ones. It will mean allowing and then actively promoting the private-sector use of an international money alongside existing national monies. That would let people vote with their wallets for the eventual move to full currency union. The phoenix would probably start as a cocktail of national currencies, just as the Special Drawing Right is today. In time, though, its value against national currencies would cease to matter, because people would choose it for its convenience and the stability of its purchasing power.

The alternative – to preserve policymaking autonomy- would involve a new proliferation of truly draconian controls on trade and capital flows. This course offers governments a splendid time. They could manage exchange-rate movements, deploy monetary and fiscal policy without inhibition, and tackle the resulting bursts of inflation with prices and incomes polices. It is a growth-crippling prospect. Pencil in the phoenix for around 2018, and welcome it when it comes.
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425.72 on Stamp - Will this hold over the next 12-24 hours?

If I had to bet on it I'd say no!

we are fucked  Lips sealed

I'm HODLING until at least the next halving (no not summer 2016, the one after that) so I'm pretty relaxed.

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We differ on definitions. There's less than million people who use the Bitcoion blockchain once a day on average (assuming two people are involved in every transactions and that's not always the case when folks move their own money around).

Let's say there was a large exchange that was revealed to be insolvent and the panicked traders had one day to get their coins out.  If their was over half a million of them, could they do it? Nope. Not even if the xaction fee was 50%.




You obviously have a different understanding how transactions are posted to the network.
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Wow. Just got home to this.

Hope it lasts till morning. This is a buyable dip.
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Will 430 420 hold?
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time to short this down and squeez a couple perma bulls  Smiley

plz short the shit out of this mf


I am happy short perma bull thanks for your money.

i would add some, i am sure it will go below 400 and after that 350 50 is in reach also  Wink


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yes you are right  Wink

350, then 300, then 250,...and so on. you get it. 50 is just a matter of days maybe even hours.
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legendary
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425.72 on Stamp - Will this hold over the next 12-24 hours?

If I had to bet on it I'd say no!

we are fucked  Lips sealed
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425.72 on Stamp - Will this hold over the next 12-24 hours?

If I had to bet on it I'd say no!
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time to short this down and squeez a couple perma bulls  Smiley

plz short the shit out of this mf


I am happy short perma bull thanks for your money.

i would add some, i am sure it will go below 400 and after that 350 50 is in reach also  Wink


ftfy
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