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legendary
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Restricted space => creates fee competition => dust will become non-economically viable to move around.

Restricted space => fee competition
More adoption+fee competition => expensive fees
Expensive fees => stalled adoption
Stalled adoption => declining interest
Declining interest => what are we even trying to do here?

This, however, is not a description of how bitcoin will fail but how bigger blocks are inevitable.

I suggest you go back and reread what Jorge wrote also. He describes well how the block size limit encourages attacks on Bitcoin

Also, it is not on developers to be setting up fee markets. It should be the realm of, well, the market.

Not all Bitcoin users are created equal. Not all individuals have the same financial pain threshold.

Expensive fees might deter direct adoption of Bitcoin by less financially priviledged persons but has absolutely no impact for the faction of individuals controlling the largest portion of monetary wealth worldwide.

Contrary to popular belief Bitcoin's immediate target market is NOT mainstream consumers.

no it impacts the financially privileged as well, they can no longer speculate bitcoin will be currency.

Nonsense. Bitcoin is not limited to its blockchain and the obvious end game for transactional uses are open payment networks like Lightning.

The wealthy are mostly concerned with shielding their capital from dirty regulators hands and oversight. Bitcoin offers unparalleled value in that regard.

Yup, with not reversible transactions, bitcoin is a terrible payment channel (also price volatility makes it even less convenient).

See bitcoin and the poor: http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-and-the-poor/
hero member
Activity: 644
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks

Restricted space => creates fee competition => dust will become non-economically viable to move around.

Restricted space => fee competition
More adoption+fee competition => expensive fees
Expensive fees => stalled adoption
Stalled adoption => declining interest
Declining interest => what are we even trying to do here?

This, however, is not a description of how bitcoin will fail but how bigger blocks are inevitable.

I suggest you go back and reread what Jorge wrote also. He describes well how the block size limit encourages attacks on Bitcoin

Also, it is not on developers to be setting up fee markets. It should be the realm of, well, the market.

Not all Bitcoin users are created equal. Not all individuals have the same financial pain threshold.

Expensive fees might deter direct adoption of Bitcoin by less financially priviledged persons but has absolutely no impact for the faction of individuals controlling the largest portion of monetary wealth worldwide.

Contrary to popular belief Bitcoin's immediate target market is NOT mainstream consumers.

no it impacts the financially privileged as well, they can no longer speculate bitcoin will be currency.

Nonsense. Bitcoin is not limited to its blockchain and the obvious end game for transactional uses are open payment networks like Lightning.

The wealthy are mostly concerned with shielding their capital from dirty regulators hands and oversight. Bitcoin offers unparalleled value in that regard.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner

Restricted space => creates fee competition => dust will become non-economically viable to move around.

Restricted space => fee competition
More adoption+fee competition => expensive fees
Expensive fees => stalled adoption
Stalled adoption => declining interest
Declining interest => what are we even trying to do here?

This, however, is not a description of how bitcoin will fail but how bigger blocks are inevitable.

I suggest you go back and reread what Jorge wrote also. He describes well how the block size limit encourages attacks on Bitcoin

Also, it is not on developers to be setting up fee markets. It should be the realm of, well, the market.

Not all Bitcoin users are created equal. Not all individuals have the same financial pain threshold.

Expensive fees might deter direct adoption of Bitcoin by less financially priviledged persons but has absolutely no impact for the faction of individuals controlling the largest portion of monetary wealth worldwide.

Contrary to popular belief Bitcoin's immediate target market is NOT mainstream consumers.

no it impacts the financially privileged as well, they can no longer speculate bitcoin will be currency.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks

Restricted space => creates fee competition => dust will become non-economically viable to move around.

Restricted space => fee competition
More adoption+fee competition => expensive fees
Expensive fees => stalled adoption
Stalled adoption => declining interest
Declining interest => what are we even trying to do here?

This, however, is not a description of how bitcoin will fail but how bigger blocks are inevitable.

I suggest you go back and reread what Jorge wrote also. He describes well how the block size limit encourages attacks on Bitcoin

Also, it is not on developers to be setting up fee markets. It should be the realm of, well, the market.

Not all Bitcoin users are created equal. Not all individuals have the same financial pain threshold.

Expensive fees might deter direct adoption of Bitcoin by less financially priviledged persons but has absolutely no impact for the faction of individuals controlling the largest portion of monetary wealth worldwide.

Contrary to popular belief Bitcoin's immediate target market is NOT mainstream consumers.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1049

Restricted space => creates fee competition => dust will become non-economically viable to move around.

Restricted space => fee competition
More adoption+fee competition => expensive fees
Expensive fees => stalled adoption

That's where the chain breaks.

Expensive is a relative term compared to your competition.

How much does a bank charge for an international bank wire?

If BTC costs < Western Union costs, Bank costs, etc = adoption continues to grow because your competition is still much more expensive than you. The money transfer industry won't go to zero fees overnight to compete with BTC.
legendary
Activity: 2576
Merit: 2267
1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k

Restricted space => creates fee competition => dust will become non-economically viable to move around.

Restricted space => fee competition
More adoption+fee competition => expensive fees
Expensive fees => stalled adoption
Stalled adoption => declining interest
Declining interest => what are we even trying to do here?

This, however, is not a description of how bitcoin will fail but how bigger blocks are inevitable.

I suggest you go back and reread what Jorge wrote also. He describes well how the block size limit encourages attacks on Bitcoin

Also, it is not on developers to be setting up fee markets. It should be the realm of, well, the market.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1049

Saturation from dust, spam, worthless micro-txs, faucets, dice, "stress tests", scripts that are purposefully wasting space in the blockchain for minimal fees, etc = nobody should even bother.


If you want to block these things, block them with policy. Not by artificially limiting everybody. IMO, not enough has been done to encourage fine-grain control over transactions which are included in a block. It should almost have its own mini-scripting language IMO.

Restricted space => creates fee competition => dust will become non-economically viable to move around.

So you have a policy right there. It doesn't yet work because blocks are half-full (~500kb on average) so you can still move dust with near zero cost (if you have the patience to wait), but the policy will work when legitimate transactions increase in volume to approach the block size limit. We are not there yet.

There is no "artificial limitation on everybody". Those who pay a competitive fee are included next block, even if the block size is ...100kb.
hero member
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Crypto is King.
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 1040
300's will soon be history, just like the 200's and 100's before it. Get your $3xx coins while you can.
legendary
Activity: 2576
Merit: 2267
1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k

Saturation from dust, spam, worthless micro-txs, faucets, dice, "stress tests", scripts that are purposefully wasting space in the blockchain for minimal fees, etc = nobody should even bother.


If you want to block these things, block them with policy. Not by artificially limiting everybody. IMO, not enough has been done to encourage fine-grain control over transactions which are included in a block. It should almost have its own mini-scripting language IMO.

Saturation from legit txs should get a bump to accommodate for new capacity.

This is a fair statement.
legendary
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1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k

USA use to be somthing special...  really sad everything got all so fucked up. you guys had the "right stuff" and then USA got raped or somthing, not sure wtf happened but you had 'it' then somehow you lost 'it'.

1971

I'm no cheerleader for the gold standard but what followed...
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 1040
Wait for iiiiiiiit....
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 256
That's why I get the big buck$

Disclaimer:I'm wrong 32% of the time...


even good traders are wrong way over 50%.

They just know when to cut loses and when let the winner run and when to take profits. They just have a working system.


I read about a young famous stock trader who became a multi millionaire. He said he had losers in like over 95% of his trades. But the 5% where absolute monsters.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1126
It's all mathematics...!
Breakout imminent!  Cool

Got my targets set...now I'm gonna enjoy a beautiful day!

Cheers

legendary
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1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 531
Crypto is King.
traded the wave and made 10$, wow, what a waste of time.

Time to go out and enjoy saturday evening.
Throw some bigger balls at it Wink



When the breakout happens

hero member
Activity: 681
Merit: 507
traded the wave and made 10$, wow, what a waste of time.

Time to go out and enjoy saturday evening.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1126
It's all mathematics...!
damn should i buy back at a loss again?  Cheesy
LOL

I was up $50 on my margin and the euphoria set in again. Angry It seems the whales like a solid 10% gain per rise, before the take you out back and beat you like a punching bag for a bit.

I've gone full retard euphoria the past three days, missing out on around $200 unrealized profit. Angry Not much; It's the principle of the matter though. Smiley Live and learn.

If one were to drop acid and take a look at the charts, they would clearly see that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

And that we going UP.



And of course the 4hour inverse head and shoulders is shouting "breakout immient!"

Disclaimer:This is Not investment advice!
I friggin hope so. I want some GAINZZZZ!

That's why I get the big buck$

Disclaimer:I'm wrong 32% of the time...
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 531
Crypto is King.
damn should i buy back at a loss again?  Cheesy
LOL

I was up $50 on my margin and the euphoria set in again. Angry It seems the whales like a solid 10% gain per rise, before the take you out back and beat you like a punching bag for a bit.

I've gone full retard euphoria the past three days, missing out on around $200 unrealized profit. Angry Not much; It's the principle of the matter though. Smiley Live and learn.

If one were to drop acid and take a look at the charts, they would clearly see that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

And that we going UP.


And of course the 4hour inverse head and shoulders is shouting "breakout immient!"

Disclaimer:This is Not investment advice!
I friggin hope so. I want some GAINZZZZ!
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1126
It's all mathematics...!
If one were to drop acid and take a look at the charts, they would clearly see that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

And that we going UP.


And of course the 4hour inverse head and shoulders is shouting "breakout immient!"

Disclaimer:This is Not investment advice!
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