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legendary
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90% of this forum is probably in denial about it.

Also let me gloat for a minute for calling Bitpays business model unsustainable way back.
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I still can't believe VCs were willing to plow 30M$ into this company..you truly have to wonder wtf these guys are thinking sometimes.

well bitcoin was not meant to be a payment processor à la visa/paypal it seems.. Grin


*btw, pedo spotted: http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-bitcoin-broker-and-the-13-year-old-girl-in-the-biki-1563202590
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks

90% of this forum is probably in denial about it.

Also let me gloat for a minute for calling Bitpays business model unsustainable way back.
itshappening.gif

I still can't believe VCs were willing to plow 30M$ into this company..you truly have to wonder wtf these guys are thinking sometimes.
hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
Also let me gloat for a minute for calling Bitpays business model unsustainable way back.

What can possible be unsustainable with any payment processor business model?

One that claims 0% fees on transactions?

Surely you're kidding...
legendary
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Honey badger just does not care
Also let me gloat for a minute for calling Bitpays business model unsustainable way back.

What can possible be unsustainable with any payment processor business model?
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP

90% of this forum is probably in denial about it.

Also let me gloat for a minute for calling Bitpays business model unsustainable way back.
itshappening.gif
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hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks

I am in the same boat as you are and IIRC got into the game at the same time as you did.

Don't sweat it for a second and continue accumulating. I know you are sitting on a pretty stash right now and I'd kill for this amount of BTC.

If there is one thing I have to thank the block size debate for is that I barely watch charts or the price anymore. I could care less if we drop to 100$ tomorrow.

Bitcoin is the only prospect left on this side of the earth for monetary sovereignty and unless you are going to drop dead in the next 5 years you are going to need it as we venture into what's likely to be a very turbulent next decade or two. .

I suggest you watch this excellent interview for a fresh perspective on where we are at. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHXfEJD6DUk

Yes, it feels pretty good to have a decent stash of BTC, even though they are currently in the red....

I watched the youtube video, and I would suggest that Trace is  a very smart guy, but he doesn't really come off as being very objective... and like he seems to be pushing an agenda that is so much money driven that sometimes he seems to be losing some necessary compassion for non-monetary considerations and some times the necessity for collaboration and consensus,... even if some of those practices may NOT always be the most efficient way to go.

Non-monetary considerations are the reason hundreds of millions of dollars are being wasted as we speak chasing pipe-dreams of mainstream retail adoption.

What he advocates is a return to the basics. An introspection into what makes Bitcoin great in the first place and how far we have come into picking the low-hanging fruits that will drive real adoption and growth as an economy.

People tend to forget that this is what Bitcoin is: an economy, and an economy is not built on BTC grocery bags, fancy "killer apps" and "science projects", it is built on capital investment. I remember a talk from him back in early 2014 about how Bitcoin is a storage tank, others often use the term a battery, for capital to pour in from other markets worldwide looking to be stored in & benefit from Bitcoin's unique monetary properties. Some people have seemingly lost track of these properties and are attempting to turn Bitcoin into a payment processing business in which it has no chance of competing with the existing industry incumbents.

We'd all love for Bitcoin to be ubiquitous as a currency but until a majority of people get paid in BTC and hold a considerable amount of their wealth in it these promises can not be realized. For very understandable economic reasons fiat will continue to remain the dominant transactional currency for years to come. Gresham's law will make sure of that and if we are to sell Bitcoin to potential adopters it should be on its merits as a deflationary store-of-value. Leave all that commercial consumerism to inflationary fiat currencies.

"Fiat runs, Bitcoin rests."
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shorts and long rate prices are ridiculously cheap on bitfinex. Both sides are going down. Are people moving to bitstamp and just quiting margin trading?

Partly. There was a drop in volume at Bitfinex, and an increase at Stamp, the last time 'finex's trading engine displayed jitters (e.g. problems closing positions, problems withdrawing). However, the short (BTC) rate isn't actually that cheap - check out the rate over the long term, it tends to decline to 0.0055% (daily) - right now the FRR is 0.015%, and actual rates (the rates people actually lend/borrow at) are a bit below 0.01%. I've never looked at USD lending/borrowing on 'finex, so can't comment on that side on things.

https://bfxdata.com/swaphistory/totals
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seemingly the same amounts being sold & bought repeatedly
Ye I just saw that. Broken bot or volume manipulation ?


Funny whether other exchanges will follow, or we end up stuck in the mid-$230s... then over the weekend, isnt there more likely fuel for dumping rather than pumping?  Then we will be back to $227-ish?
If you look at the volume on a larger scale it actually looks like massive volumes of BTC were purchased on Bitstamp. still theres no telling if its real or fake.

If its real then some massive companies are accumulating tens of thousands of coins (the volume on bitstamp would actually be unbelievable in this case and bitfinex would no longer be the largest exchange).
If its fake, then who is paying the trading fees and why? or is bitstamp themselves faking the volume like the chinese exchanges always do?

hero member
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shorts and long rate prices are ridiculously cheap on bitfinex. Both sides are going down. Are people moving to bitstamp and just quiting margin trading?

Partly. There was a drop in volume at Bitfinex, and an increase at Stamp, the last time 'finex's trading engine displayed jitters (e.g. problems closing positions, problems withdrawing). However, the short (BTC) rate isn't actually that cheap - check out the rate over the long term, it tends to decline to 0.0055% (daily) - right now the FRR is 0.015%, and actual rates (the rates people actually lend/borrow at) are a bit below 0.01%. I've never looked at USD lending/borrowing on 'finex, so can't comment on that side on things.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 11299
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
seemingly the same amounts being sold & bought repeatedly
Ye I just saw that. Broken bot or volume manipulation ?


Funny whether other exchanges will follow, or we end up stuck in the mid-$230s... then over the weekend, isnt there more likely fuel for dumping rather than pumping?  Then we will be back to $227-ish?
legendary
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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

I am in the same boat as you are and IIRC got into the game at the same time as you did.

Don't sweat it for a second and continue accumulating. I know you are sitting on a pretty stash right now and I'd kill for this amount of BTC.

If there is one thing I have to thank the block size debate for is that I barely watch charts or the price anymore. I could care less if we drop to 100$ tomorrow.

Bitcoin is the only prospect left on this side of the earth for monetary sovereignty and unless you are going to drop dead in the next 5 years you are going to need it as we venture into what's likely to be a very turbulent next decade or two. .

I suggest you watch this excellent interview for a fresh perspective on where we are at. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHXfEJD6DUk

Yes, it feels pretty good to have a decent stash of BTC, even though they are currently in the red....

I watched the youtube video, and I would suggest that Trace is  a very smart guy, but he doesn't really come off as being very objective... and like he seems to be pushing an agenda that is so much money driven that sometimes he seems to be losing some necessary compassion for non-monetary considerations and some times the necessity for collaboration and consensus,... even if some of those practices may NOT always be the most efficient way to go.
full member
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shorts and long rate prices are ridiculously cheap on bitfinex. Both sides are going down. Are people moving to bitstamp and just quiting margin trading?
legendary
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and Adam, I hope your gfie doesn't lock you up, like she had done several months back... and caused you to be absent from the thread for a considerable period of time..

Shhhhh..... different gfie.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I've said it before, and I say it again:
I'd rather have 10 bitcoin bought at 1000 USD, than 1 bitcoin bought at 1 cent. Buy and hold, CCMF!


This remains an interesting mathematical proposition concerning how high BTC is going to go..... and your frame at this point seems to be expecting BTC north of $10k... which well could be the case, in a few years... but a lot of us lose some of that faith with such a prolonged bear market including such a long flat period, too.... and even several apparent false restarts and turn arounds...
legendary
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this is the bottom

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Nice pic but what does your broad think about you posting that? Grin You're free to post and stuph and all. Did she realize your epic status on a world-wide forum dedicated to disruption?

she has no idea what i post. and does not care to know. I do not talk about bitcoin at all with her,  this is like my secret identity.


Adam, I think that you kind of know my story... No? 

I have been pretty much continuing to buy BTC and hold and I never really sell any BTC (except if I do sell any, then I replace them within days).

You have been in BTClandia longer than me, but you said that you had bought and sold and bought before the last bubble, but then as prices were going down in this latest downward from November 2013, I think that you continued to buy and hold, no?  Are you accumulating a fairly decent stash of BTC over these last couple of years?

I feel like I have been building a pretty decent stash, and probably I have a few times more than I ever thought that I would because I did NOT expect prices to go below $500 or to stay below for very extended periods of time (like what has been happening the past 9 months-ish). 

Recently, I have developed various plans to strategically sell at certain points (by conceptually dividing my stash into three parts), and then I trade with one of the portions (and only specifically triggered at certain points), until BTC prices go up to trigger me to move to the other portion of my stash... my model presumes BTC prices will go up at some point, but continue to have some volatility....

I think that my plan forward is pretty decent... and yes it kind of presumes that the bounce out of this $220 to $290 price will be upwards, likely less than a year?Huh maybe??  ; however, in the mean time, I continue to buy BTC (at least while the price is below a certain point), and if prices continue to go down, my plan will be to continue to buy, rather than selling any.. my selling behavior is only going to be triggered if prices begin to go back up.. .. hopefully some day in less than 12 months-ish, no?



yes I remember, It's really sad that you bought at the very top and have been buying like mad ever since. I imagine your avg price in now ~400$, not bad, not good, but not bad either, thing is to be HOLDING, and forget about it.  fuck its possible we plunge to 125$ tomorrow and stay there for 3 year and then 4 years later something happens and BAM oh shit my gf is calling, i'm on thin ice, gtg





Yes my overall average buy price is in the $400s, and possibly my average buy in price felt like a bigger problem for me in the beginning of the year, because I ran into some unexpected expenses. ... and in the beginning of the year, I could NOT buy, in spite of relatively low prices. 

In recent months, I have kind of made up for some of those earlier in the year cash flow issues... which allows for some decent potential opportunities, with my being able to acquire quite a few BTC in the lower $200s - kind of a second chance at it....   Accordingly, I do expect a pretty decent likelihood to be able to bring my average cost per BTC down... which I hope to be writing about in the future (maybe a year or two... haahahaha).... but like you said, a worse case scenario could be that BTC prices continue to go down without coming up first.... and then if they never come back up, in spite of continuing development around BTC... then I and probably quite a few other similarly situated peeps, may be taking a loss...   I remain optimistic...

and Adam, I hope your gfie doesn't lock you up, like she had done several months back... and caused you to be absent from the thread for a considerable period of time..
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