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September 23, 2015, 06:02:36 AM
September 23, 2015, 05:02:31 AM
September 23, 2015, 04:15:09 AM
Nobody here sees the potential of 21 Inc's platform? What Google did for making money with websites (generate revenue with ads), 21 Inc may do for making money with web-services (generate revenue with pay-per-use). I.e. 21 Inc might be the next Google. Guess what that will do for Bitcoin... 
I don't see the potential. You don't need special chips or computers to do micro payments. As a charity node, a standard Raspberry Pi 2 is cheaper. And the mining part of it is really lame. To me, it just sounds like a clusterfuck of bitcoin buzzwords. Either the VCs have been fooled, or there is a dimension to this that is still a secret.
Based on the story of 21 Inc so far my guess is your line...
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To me, it just sounds like a clusterfuck of bitcoin buzzwords. Either the VCs have been fooled....
...is the reality of the situation. I think these guys are riding a bitcoin VC feeding frenzy but lack clear strategy or understanding.
If you haven't already heard this podcast from 13th Sep, have a listen to Chris Derose and Joshua Unseth's take on what 21 Inc are doing; I think it's very very funny. Go to time 15:05 in episode #16 of the Counterparty weekly update for a hilarious take on the whole thing.
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/xcp-weekly-update-16-joel-and-thomas-from-swarm
Nice find! That pretty much sums it up.
Perhaps there is some legitimacy to incorporating a HW wallet in chipsets, as it seems some are suggesting they're doing, but a miner is, as we heard, a bad idea for a number of reasons.
They do a pretty good job at the site dancing around the fact that the thing won´t really mine anything but a steady stream of pocket lint. Which would be useful for micropayments they say though. But the best thing about it would be for buying and selling stuff for bitcoins. I doubt that you pay 400 dollars for a box to do that.
September 23, 2015, 04:02:29 AM
September 23, 2015, 03:02:51 AM
September 23, 2015, 02:02:45 AM
September 23, 2015, 01:37:54 AM
Nobody here sees the potential of 21 Inc's platform? What Google did for making money with websites (generate revenue with ads), 21 Inc may do for making money with web-services (generate revenue with pay-per-use). I.e. 21 Inc might be the next Google. Guess what that will do for Bitcoin...
I don't see the potential. You don't need special chips or computers to do micro payments. As a charity node, a standard Raspberry Pi 2 is cheaper. And the mining part of it is really lame. To me, it just sounds like a clusterfuck of bitcoin buzzwords. Either the VCs have been fooled, or there is a dimension to this that is still a secret.
Based on the story of 21 Inc so far my guess is your line...
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To me, it just sounds like a clusterfuck of bitcoin buzzwords. Either the VCs have been fooled....
...is the reality of the situation. I think these guys are riding a bitcoin VC feeding frenzy but lack clear strategy or understanding.
If you haven't already heard this podcast from 13th Sep, have a listen to Chris Derose and Joshua Unseth's take on what 21 Inc are doing; I think it's very very funny. Go to time 15:05 in episode #16 of the Counterparty weekly update for a hilarious take on the whole thing.
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/xcp-weekly-update-16-joel-and-thomas-from-swarm
Nice find! That pretty much sums it up.
Perhaps there is some legitimacy to incorporating a HW wallet in chipsets, as it seems some are suggesting they're doing, but a miner is, as we heard, a bad idea for a number of reasons.
September 23, 2015, 01:02:35 AM
September 23, 2015, 12:53:46 AM
Another interesting development could affect bitcoin dynamics in the coming weeks and months - and that is looming again, a possible US Government shutdown....
Many put the odds of a USGOV shutdown at less than 50%; however, if such a US Gov shutdown were to occur (which is really NOT an improbable scenario), there could be some impacts on BTC prices.... in the short and medium term... and I would suggest likely that such an occurrence would cause BTC prices to move in an upwards direction.
Many put the odds of a USGOV shutdown at less than 50%; however, if such a US Gov shutdown were to occur (which is really NOT an improbable scenario), there could be some impacts on BTC prices.... in the short and medium term... and I would suggest likely that such an occurrence would cause BTC prices to move in an upwards direction.
meh. I don't think it will have much effect either way. Worst case scenario is some non essential personnel get sent home for a few days or weeks. What gets me is...if they are non-essential, then why do they have jobs in the first place?
Nothing comes close to the block size issue, IMHO. I think the two issues are similar in that the debt cieling will likely get raised with nothing else getting fixed in a can-kicking maneuver and the block size deadlock will also get kicked with BIP102 after much sound and fury.
Maybe you are letting your politics get in the way, a little bit with your thinking?
It doesn't really matter so much whether the employees are essential or NOT.
In fact, I am of the belief that it is NO small factor, that in October/November 2013, the US Gov was shut down for more than 3 weeks.. a lot of confidence is lost in the dollar and in the ability for US governing officials to value the maintaining such legitimacy.. in fact the October/NOvember 2013 spurt in BTC prices coincided with these shutdown events and some losses in confidence in the dollar....
Surely other things were going on, as well, including chinese pumping (which is likely also related), and the hearings in which turned out that BTC was more accepted and acceptable than what had been expected...
Subsequently, in the past two years, the dollar has been doing really well, but BTC has been downwardly projected and actually fairly flat in the past 9 months....
Each of these factors, likely have effects that may NOT be individually significant, but can cause various rippling effects....
September 23, 2015, 12:22:42 AM
Another interesting development could affect bitcoin dynamics in the coming weeks and months - and that is looming again, a possible US Government shutdown....
Many put the odds of a USGOV shutdown at less than 50%; however, if such a US Gov shutdown were to occur (which is really NOT an improbable scenario), there could be some impacts on BTC prices.... in the short and medium term... and I would suggest likely that such an occurrence would cause BTC prices to move in an upwards direction.
Many put the odds of a USGOV shutdown at less than 50%; however, if such a US Gov shutdown were to occur (which is really NOT an improbable scenario), there could be some impacts on BTC prices.... in the short and medium term... and I would suggest likely that such an occurrence would cause BTC prices to move in an upwards direction.
meh. I don't think it will have much effect either way. Worst case scenario is some non essential personnel get sent home for a few days or weeks. What gets me is...if they are non-essential, then why do they have jobs in the first place?
Nothing comes close to the block size issue, IMHO. I think the two issues are similar in that the debt cieling will likely get raised with nothing else getting fixed in a can-kicking maneuver and the block size deadlock will also get kicked with BIP102 after much sound and fury.
September 23, 2015, 12:03:09 AM
Another interesting development could affect bitcoin dynamics in the coming weeks and months - and that is looming again, a possible US Government shutdown....
Many put the odds of a USGOV shutdown at less than 50%; however, if such a US Gov shutdown were to occur (which is really NOT an improbable scenario), there could be some impacts on BTC prices.... in the short and medium term... and I would suggest likely that such an occurrence would cause BTC prices to move in an upwards direction.
Many put the odds of a USGOV shutdown at less than 50%; however, if such a US Gov shutdown were to occur (which is really NOT an improbable scenario), there could be some impacts on BTC prices.... in the short and medium term... and I would suggest likely that such an occurrence would cause BTC prices to move in an upwards direction.
September 23, 2015, 12:02:48 AM
September 22, 2015, 11:52:07 PM
Look interesting to keep hard hold
only weakhand will be sell at this price
come on guys we can hit 250$ in next day
only weakhand will be sell at this price
come on guys we can hit 250$ in next day
September 22, 2015, 11:17:33 PM
So anyone check out Circle Pay yet? I updated my app and added a debit card.
It's free banking, so what's the catch? You can now convert your wallet to fiat with one click. They make it way TOO easy to convert your wallet with one click. If you accidentally click the button, you sell ALL your bitcoins. If I had millions and wanted to buy at these low prices, I might be tempted to pull such a stunt, except you know, that whole honesty thing.
But seriously, free banking. not sooooper cheap. free. This is their response to Coinbase just outright paying people to get wallets through their referral program. It's early internet business model:
1. burn money to gain market share
2. Sell out or IPO before you even have to monetize customer base.
It's free banking, so what's the catch? You can now convert your wallet to fiat with one click. They make it way TOO easy to convert your wallet with one click. If you accidentally click the button, you sell ALL your bitcoins. If I had millions and wanted to buy at these low prices, I might be tempted to pull such a stunt, except you know, that whole honesty thing.
But seriously, free banking. not sooooper cheap. free. This is their response to Coinbase just outright paying people to get wallets through their referral program. It's early internet business model:
1. burn money to gain market share
2. Sell out or IPO before you even have to monetize customer base.
it sounds like a great place to sell bitcoins fast. i cant think of anything else to do there. it almost sounds like an elaborate scheme to trick everyone out of their bitcoins .
I know someone personally who got tricked by this crap... WTF... People sometimes are NOT very smart when it comes to these kinds of things.
The person that I know, opened up Circle, and got the message to convert to dollars, and clicked "yes." She thought that she was making the settings in dollars, but she did NOT realize that she sold her total holdings in BTC (luckily only 7 BTC). I said, "WTF you doing?" and she said that she did NOT know. I said that there has been a little bit of price movement, but really you should attempt to convert it all back ASAP - because the whole reason that you have the account is to have some of your money in BTC... Accordingly, she converted back and only lost about .03BTC total with the mistake.
I'm sure that there are others, too. WTF?
September 22, 2015, 11:02:34 PM
September 22, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
So anyone check out Circle Pay yet? I updated my app and added a debit card.
It's free banking, so what's the catch? You can now convert your wallet to fiat with one click. They make it way TOO easy to convert your wallet with one click. If you accidentally click the button, you sell ALL your bitcoins. If I had millions and wanted to buy at these low prices, I might be tempted to pull such a stunt, except you know, that whole honesty thing.
But seriously, free banking. not sooooper cheap. free. This is their response to Coinbase just outright paying people to get wallets through their referral program. It's early internet business model:
1. burn money to gain market share
2. Sell out or IPO before you even have to monetize customer base.
It's free banking, so what's the catch? You can now convert your wallet to fiat with one click. They make it way TOO easy to convert your wallet with one click. If you accidentally click the button, you sell ALL your bitcoins. If I had millions and wanted to buy at these low prices, I might be tempted to pull such a stunt, except you know, that whole honesty thing.
But seriously, free banking. not sooooper cheap. free. This is their response to Coinbase just outright paying people to get wallets through their referral program. It's early internet business model:
1. burn money to gain market share
2. Sell out or IPO before you even have to monetize customer base.
it sounds like a great place to sell bitcoins fast. i cant think of anything else to do there. it almost sounds like an elaborate scheme to trick everyone out of their bitcoins .
September 22, 2015, 10:02:41 PM
September 22, 2015, 09:16:30 PM
So anyone check out Circle Pay yet? I updated my app and added a debit card.
It's free banking, so what's the catch? You can now convert your wallet to fiat with one click. They make it way TOO easy to convert your wallet with one click. If you accidentally click the button, you sell ALL your bitcoins. If I had millions and wanted to buy at these low prices, I might be tempted to pull such a stunt, except you know, that whole honesty thing.
But seriously, free banking. not sooooper cheap. free. This is their response to Coinbase just outright paying people to get wallets through their referral program. It's early internet business model:
1. burn money to gain market share
2. Sell out or IPO before you even have to monetize customer base.
It's free banking, so what's the catch? You can now convert your wallet to fiat with one click. They make it way TOO easy to convert your wallet with one click. If you accidentally click the button, you sell ALL your bitcoins. If I had millions and wanted to buy at these low prices, I might be tempted to pull such a stunt, except you know, that whole honesty thing.
But seriously, free banking. not sooooper cheap. free. This is their response to Coinbase just outright paying people to get wallets through their referral program. It's early internet business model:
1. burn money to gain market share
2. Sell out or IPO before you even have to monetize customer base.
September 22, 2015, 09:02:32 PM
September 22, 2015, 08:58:13 PM
Nobody here sees the potential of 21 Inc's platform? What Google did for making money with websites (generate revenue with ads), 21 Inc may do for making money with web-services (generate revenue with pay-per-use). I.e. 21 Inc might be the next Google. Guess what that will do for Bitcoin...
I don't see the potential. You don't need special chips or computers to do micro payments. As a charity node, a standard Raspberry Pi 2 is cheaper. And the mining part of it is really lame. To me, it just sounds like a clusterfuck of bitcoin buzzwords. Either the VCs have been fooled, or there is a dimension to this that is still a secret.
Indeed, this HW doesn't do anything that isn't already possible. Just like the first webserver didn't do anything that wasn't already possible (publish some text over the Internet -- you could also just download files instead). But it did make it very easy.
Google turned website into something that you can make money with on a per-use basis. The revenue model of 21 Inc may turn webservices also into something you can make money with on a per-use basis. It may take some time to convince developers to start creating services using their platform/API, but nothing similar exists, yet.
A webserver (Apache) is software, not hardware. I made a micro payment solution for web content via sms payments in 2001. Micropayments is not a new revenue model. Bitcoin can make this happen in a big way. ChangeTip is leading the way right now.
I first wanted to write an elaborate answer. Then I saw this blog.
https://elux.svbtle.com/the-21-inc-computer-is-the-new-altair-8800
I have nothing more to add.
Dudes, this thing keeps looping back on itself. It can't mean devices pay each other on the blockchain. It would be a blizzard of dust transactions that would require GB sized blocks. They have their own micropayments server for that. But if they have their own micropayments server, why use bitcoin at all??
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