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legendary
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bitcoin movement now began to slow down, perhaps waiting for a new issue.
just hope the price of bitcoin soon rise, and I can sell it at that moment  Cheesy



we are on our way up... one margin long at a time! just a few more longs and that moment will arrive and you can finally sell your "blockchain blacklist" "cripplecoin"! #victory

the ~$1 million direct investment that is required daily for BTC to have price stability doesn't yet seem to be affected by the block size controversy. But I am noticing some subtle things at the margins that may be an indicator of another leg down:

1. My orders on purse.io are not getting filled.
2. My offers on bitquick.co are not being accepted

Retail is not buying in. I don't know if the ~15,000 in margin shorts on bfx is going to be enough to stop another crash. Conversely, squeezing them won't cause much of a spike either. If miners are holding off selling all their coins in hopes of getting a higher price, then we may have a lot of overhead resistance in addition to the $23M in dollar swaps (margin longs).  

Big money may come to the rescue, but it may not. My guess is still that we're going sideways until the people who dumped at $260 run out of money to reinvest and then, unless some new development changes things, we'll retest support.

I'm really neutral in which way I want the market to go. I'm still over 90% long, but I want the cripplecoiners to get the message that coins on a throttled network are not as valuable.



i dont know whats going to happen... my best guess is we will go sideways and pump some until we either get dumped on by the chinese miner.. or something . .. really i have no idea because the market most always moves opposite of what i am thinking and doing. if i buy then the market will go lower, if i sell then the market will go higher.. so most the time i am sitting around waiting. i'm not that great of a trader really. if you hear me giving any trading advice, really i am mostly just fuding the market. i have no clue what bitcoin is doing or going to do. bitfinex might collapse tomorrow for all i know. sometimes i am a bull and sometimes i am a bear.. depending on how i am feeling and whats going on .

however.... i do sometimes understand whats going on in the overall of things. and i think that is why there are weird things going on that really don't make a lot of sense.. it does make sense from the big overall of whatever is going on . bitcoin is really only one part of whats happening.. and some people who think they are smart do dumb stuff and mess up ALL THE TIME.. like almost every single time all the time . i think they are already lower intelligence and they compound it by brushing their teeth with flouride and other dumb things. if you understand that there are a lot of dumb people in the world then you can strategist and outsmart them consistently . and they will make mistakes that will mess themselves up worse.. like "cripplecoiners" are doing.. lol ... that why we can make fun of them all day long because it is a total dumb idea that is obviously going to fail ...
legendary
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That's the gist of your broken logic. That somehow the "mainstream" sheeps are going to drive Bitcoin success and its price.

Better get this idea out of your head because it's not happening. The average consumer will get in Bitcoin much later in the game.

No shit, Sherlock. But when the sheep get in, microtransactions will be a feature. People with vision will have to continue to build the infrastructure first, and part of that infrastructure will involve microtransactions.

You're starting to piss me off.  I've seen nothing from you to merit your arrogance. Keep it up and you go on the ignore list. Criticism is cheap. Show me some insight.

Talk about flawed logic: Retail isn't interested in Bitcoin, so we shouldn't cater to retail, which isn't interested because we don't cater to retail. Fuck you.

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You seem much too sensitive, if you are understanding my prior response posts to be a name calling rants. 

In my earlier posts, I seem to be for the large part responding substantively to various points that you were making, and characterizing them as inadequate in a variety of respects, and to agree with you that your thinking seems to be much too simplistic if you believe that the main factors in determining direction of a market is its most recent price direction (even though sometimes you are going to be correct when you guess in that regard nonetheless, that analysis seems to miss a lot of nuances and a variety of factors that I referred to in my previous responses to you).

Too sensitive? Too emotional, too poor, too impatient, too ignorant. Yea who isn't?

I'm saying the investment I made is a bad one. .
I'm saying it from my perspective. If it's good for you. Then good.
Obviously you're doing something i'm not. I'm just spending my money in time the way I see best.
I wasn't even talking about whether the price goes up as a measure of good investment. While that was my first criterion, it's now changed.
My sole measure now is if I am making money, or at least breaking even.
So if I'm not. It's not a good investment.
FOR ME. For bitcoin and litecoin? I'm sure they're THRILLED i'm loosing money. It just means more for them. Frankly I got into this not really knowing WTF I was doing. I'm just trying to go forward making mistakes, while I try to correct for them.
At first I didn't even know about longs and shorts. I traded at ANX.
I didn't know you could make money when the price is going down.
After I lost 65% on just buying litecoin with my money. (right before coming a inch of breaking even)
I figured I could try using leverage. So I made some money and then the price went down again.
Then I tried shorting. Made some then the price went up.
It's just splitting me apart. So i'm willing to pay for that, and accept the consequences.
If me and crypto are incompatible, I can accept that. I've learned a few things about trading in the mean time. I could have wasted the money on a DJ system or something. Probably wouldn't have learned anything.




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I'm really neutral in which way I want the market to go. I'm still over 90% long, but I want the cripplecoiners to get the message that coins on a throttled network are not as valuable.

Retail is not buying in.

Why are you so excited about scaling transactions for retail demand that doesn't exist?



If you wanna get people interested in coin collecting, you don't start them out with Krugerrands.  You start them out with wheat pennies.  Then, I want anti-spam email, faucets to drive traffic to websites, etc.

That's the gist of your broken logic. That somehow the "mainstream" sheeps are going to drive Bitcoin success and its price.

Better get this idea out of your head because it's not happening. The average consumer will get in Bitcoin much later in the game.
legendary
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Hide your women
I'm really neutral in which way I want the market to go. I'm still over 90% long, but I want the cripplecoiners to get the message that coins on a throttled network are not as valuable.

Retail is not buying in.

Why are you so excited about scaling transactions for retail demand that doesn't exist?



If you wanna get people interested in coin collecting, you don't start them out with Krugerrands.  You start them out with wheat pennies.  Then, I want anti-spam email, faucets to drive traffic to websites, etc.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

You are ridiculous and coming off as a bit trollish or at least disingenuous.

You make a whole bunch of unsubstantiated generalizations regarding Bitcoin in general and it's possible future market performance, in part seeming to be based on your bad investment luck and what appears to be considerable deficiencies in your outlook and expectations




How else do you measure an investment? Would you invest more money into something that has cost you money? Maybe i'm simple minded. But if it's supposed to make you money, and instead it burns all of it up. Maybe just maybe it's not a good investment.

But I've been waiting for this thing since the idea of paypal came out. I didn't really know of it until 2014.
The idea of replacing the banks entirely appeals to me. That is the reason I like it. Trading isn't necessary if you want to use bitcoin. But then again the world prefers credit cards and that requires an institution all over again, taking a fee on every time you spend your money.


You can measure an investment through a variety of perspectives and indicators, and in the end each of us has to choose for himself/herself regarding what to measure and whether we recognize value in making an investment, in part based on whether we perceive potential benefits outweighing potential risks.


Merely because you have lost money in a particular investment over the past about 18 months does not necessarily lead to the conclusion that the asset itself is bad or that it will continue from here on to go down in market price. Also, markwt price is also not necessarily a measure of value, except for at that particular point in time reflecting how much that people are willing to pay for it.

Yes, you do come off as either simple minded or else someone who is trolling.

Surely, there are a lot of potential use cases for Bitcoin, and your attempt to summarize them while making broad comparisons and contrasts barely scratches the surface of various ways in which Bitcoin can be used and currently some of such uses have been implemented (while evolving) and other uses will quite likely be further developed in the future.



Hm... I simply have no need for a investment that is loosing me money. In that case it's a bad investment.  But can't help but miss the productive use of time or forum space in your reply on this topic. Name calling, and egotistical aggression simply escapes me as a valuable commodity.

I think the notion is pretty simple, have you been making money? Then it's good. Have you been loosing money. Then stop investing in it. You wanna overcomplicate things beyond that... and call me names, I can't help but pity you.



You seem much too sensitive, if you are understanding my prior response posts to be a name calling rants. 

In my earlier posts, I seem to be for the large part responding substantively to various points that you were making, and characterizing them as inadequate in a variety of respects, and to agree with you that your thinking seems to be much too simplistic if you believe that the main factors in determining direction of a market is its most recent price direction (even though sometimes you are going to be correct when you guess in that regard nonetheless, that analysis seems to miss a lot of nuances and a variety of factors that I referred to in my previous responses to you).
legendary
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You are ridiculous and coming off as a bit trollish or at least disingenuous.

You make a whole bunch of unsubstantiated generalizations regarding Bitcoin in general and it's possible future market performance, in part seeming to be based on your bad investment luck and what appears to be considerable deficiencies in your outlook and expectations




How else do you measure an investment? Would you invest more money into something that has cost you money? Maybe i'm simple minded. But if it's supposed to make you money, and instead it burns all of it up. Maybe just maybe it's not a good investment.

But I've been waiting for this thing since the idea of paypal came out. I didn't really know of it until 2014.
The idea of replacing the banks entirely appeals to me. That is the reason I like it. Trading isn't necessary if you want to use bitcoin. But then again the world prefers credit cards and that requires an institution all over again, taking a fee on every time you spend your money.


You can measure an investment through a variety of perspectives and indicators, and in the end each of us has to choose for himself/herself regarding what to measure and whether we recognize value in making an investment, in part based on whether we perceive potential benefits outweighing potential risks.


Merely because you have lost money in a particular investment over the past about 18 months does not necessarily lead to the conclusion that the asset itself is bad or that it will continue from here on to go down in market price. Also, markwt price is also not necessarily a measure of value, except for at that particular point in time reflecting how much that people are willing to pay for it.

Yes, you do come off as either simple minded or else someone who is trolling.

Surely, there are a lot of potential use cases for Bitcoin, and your attempt to summarize them while making broad comparisons and contrasts barely scratches the surface of various ways in which Bitcoin can be used and currently some of such uses have been implemented (while evolving) and other uses will quite likely be further developed in the future.



Hm... I simply have no need for a investment that is loosing me money. In that case it's a bad investment.  But can't help but miss the productive use of time or forum space in your reply on this topic. Name calling, and egotistical aggression simply escapes me as a valuable commodity.

I think the notion is pretty simple, have you been making money? Then it's good. Have you been loosing money. Then stop investing in it. You wanna overcomplicate things beyond that... and call me names, I can't help but pity you.

hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
I'm really neutral in which way I want the market to go. I'm still over 90% long, but I want the cripplecoiners to get the message that coins on a throttled network are not as valuable.

Retail is not buying in.

Why are you so excited about scaling transactions for retail demand that doesn't exist?

legendary
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legendary
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Hide your women
bitcoin movement now began to slow down, perhaps waiting for a new issue.
just hope the price of bitcoin soon rise, and I can sell it at that moment  Cheesy



we are on our way up... one margin long at a time! just a few more longs and that moment will arrive and you can finally sell your "blockchain blacklist" "cripplecoin"! #victory

the ~$1 million direct investment that is required daily for BTC to have price stability doesn't yet seem to be affected by the block size controversy. But I am noticing some subtle things at the margins that may be an indicator of another leg down:

1. My orders on purse.io are not getting filled.
2. My offers on bitquick.co are not being accepted

Retail is not buying in. I don't know if the ~15,000 in margin shorts on bfx is going to be enough to stop another crash. Conversely, squeezing them won't cause much of a spike either. If miners are holding off selling all their coins in hopes of getting a higher price, then we may have a lot of overhead resistance in addition to the $23M in dollar swaps (margin longs). 

Big money may come to the rescue, but it may not. My guess is still that we're going sideways until the people who dumped at $260 run out of money to reinvest and then, unless some new development changes things, we'll retest support.

I'm really neutral in which way I want the market to go. I'm still over 90% long, but I want the cripplecoiners to get the message that coins on a throttled network are not as valuable.
legendary
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legendary
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bitcoin movement now began to slow down, perhaps waiting for a new issue.
just hope the price of bitcoin soon rise, and I can sell it at that moment  Cheesy



we are on our way up... one margin long at a time! just a few more longs and that moment will arrive and you can finally sell your "blockchain blacklist" "cripplecoin"! #victory
legendary
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legendary
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bitcoin movement now began to slow down, perhaps waiting for a new issue.
just hope the price of bitcoin soon rise, and I can sell it at that moment  Cheesy

What would you do after selling your Bitcoin? That's not a wise decision at all.
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bitcoin movement now began to slow down, perhaps waiting for a new issue.
just hope the price of bitcoin soon rise, and I can sell it at that moment  Cheesy
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legendary
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legendary
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It's bizzarre to me that anyone can claim that Bitcoin's PRIMARY utility is as a store of value. A store of value does not lose over 80% of it's market cap in less than 2 years.

Bitcoin needs to scale in order to survive. The people who sell bitcoin don't seem to think so. The people who buy Bitcoin absolutely do. Ever heard the saying "the customer is always right?"

I think eventually it will be seen as a store of value. Your "A store of value does not lose over 80% of it's market cap in less than 2 years" statement is taking a selective window of Bitcoin's total lifespan and highlighting its devaluation from the ATH. A similar selective view could be applied to many 'store of value' assets that went through booms and busts in their early days.

Of course it needs to scale and I don't think anyone is arguing it doesn't. You make some good points in many of your posts but I find your constant "scale or die" rhetoric to be a simplistic dumbing down of what is a relatively complex debate (you're displaying similar lines of 'intelligence' to President Bush's "You're either with us or against us" and "the axis of evil" chest beating after 911 and we all know how poorly much of that turned out).

Rather than just painting anyone that doesn't think XT has the right combination of attributes and backing as someone that's against Bitcoin moving forward, perhaps you could bring a little more clarity around the issues at hand to the discussion and dispense with such black and white judgement.

I have repeatedly said that I am not pushing specifically for XT. IF the choice is between XT and not scaling at all, then I am for it.  It frustrates me no end that those seem to be the only two options we are presented with.  Bitcoin needs to scale on an automatic timeline independent of certain people who want to choke the network and squeeze out more fees.

Without the practical ability to do microtransactions, Bitcoin's utility value is substantially lower than otherwise. BIP100 replacing a static 1MB block size limit with a dynamic 1MB block size limit is a joke, particularly when people with an incentive to bottleneck the network effectively have veto power over any increase! 

Cripplecoiners can't all be this stupid. There is some straight up evil at work here. I think of that line in Dark Knight when Alfred says "Some people just want to see the world burn."



there really are people that dumb.. a bunch them are out there.
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