Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 21044.

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Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on August 18, 2015, 01:24:21 PM

The "moderation" going on is frankly disgusting. How the hell can any compromise happen if you use force make the opposing side of the debate just shut up?

Nobody is censoring you. You're free to register bitcoinxttalk.org and discuss XT altcoin in every way you like.

You're missing the point. If the arguments against raising block size stood up to scrutiny, there would be no need for this suppression of the debate.

They don't. So now there is an orchestrated blacklisting of any dissenting voice from the blockstream narrative, with little more than vague screams of "Dear god! Think of the children!!" to justify it.

Strange thing is, the 1mb limit, coupled with the opening of blockchain to private chains would hit the hard core HODLlers here the worst. Being able to settle financial transactions on a private chain with satoshi level tokens would wipe out any chance bitcoin would have at being a de facto currency for commerce.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-18/germany-struggles-too-much-renewable-energy

So Germany has an electricity surplus, huh? I wonder what they could do with all that power...

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Price is going down because the new mining technology was discovered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd8dvgErQ14

Sell your BTC before it is too late.

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Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on August 18, 2015, 01:24:21 PM

The "moderation" going on is frankly disgusting. How the hell can any compromise happen if you use force make the opposing side of the debate just shut up?

Nobody is censoring you. You're free to register bitcoinxttalk.org and discuss XT altcoin in every way you like.

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Wonder where we'd be without the benevolent bullwhale(s) support around $250.

I don't see XT as likely to result in a mass migration to XT and the death of Core, but it is a non-trivial way to vote for the direction you would like Bitcoin to develop. Hopefully it lights a fire under the core devs to come up with their own solution. Once core has some kind of scaling solution (not in 2020) I could see a majority of XT nodes switching back.

The "moderation" going on is frankly disgusting. How the hell can any compromise happen if you use force to make the opposing side of the debate just shut up?

Meni Rosenfeld has been added to Jeff Garzik in the Voice of Reason camp.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9cq4/its_time_for_a_break_about_the_recent_mess/cu6udfe

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Quote from: billyjoeallen on August 18, 2015, 01:21:07 PM

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so if 250$ falls we are in "This time it's still not different, dump it!!" no?

$250 is just a number, Newbie. We tried to hold $300 last winter by using too much leverage and triggered a margin call cascade. Painful lesson learned. We're not gonna do that again. No, our goal isn't to stop the plunge. It is just to slow it down. As long as we're not dropping as fast as Crude oil, copper, Brazilian Real, or whatever the hell ~~the currency is in~~ Malasian airplane, we're doing fine. And we are outperforming a whole bunch of other assets and securities now.

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so if 250$ falls we are in "This time it's still not different, dump it!!" no?

$250 is just a number, Newbie. We tried to hold $300 last winter by using too much leverage and triggered a margin call cascade. Painful lesson learned. We're not gonna do that again. No, our goal isn't to stop the plunge. It is just to slow it down. As long as we're not dropping as fast as Crude oil, copper, Brazilian Real, or whatever the hell the currency is in Malasia, we're doing fine. And we are outperforming a whole bunch of other assets and securities now.

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Quote from: Brewins on August 18, 2015, 01:00:39 PM

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Quote from: kenji on August 18, 2015, 12:26:20 PM

is bitcoin dead or is it different this time? Undecided

bitcoin will be replaced by bitcoinXT, the better alt-coin has been staring us in the face all this time.

if BitcoinXT really succeeds then it will become Bitcoin.

would not be the first hard fork in the bitcoin history, as far I know

But, but,.... How is theymos going to decide which posts to remove? Should we put a special flag to our posts in that case?

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Quote from: dreamspark on August 18, 2015, 10:46:00 AM

Imagine if the ceo of an up and coming company was speaking to the media and said "I believe in this company and I'm putting my all into it, however I'm also selling stocks of my company and investing in others".

You have never looked at a typical quarterly financial report, or at any official website or document by a company directed at investors, I presume.

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Quote from: dreamspark on August 18, 2015, 09:24:04 AM

"While Mr Andresen tries to prepare bitcoin for mass usage, he advises caution to investors. He holds thousands of bitcoins, enough to retire comfortably. But he has been cashing them in slowly, investing in stock market funds instead."

Somebody who is supposed to believe the future of his project should not be making such a nightmare of PR every time he speaks to the media.

But at least it is evidence of sincerity. Do you know how many bitcoins other bitcoin evangelists own, by chance?

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Quote from: fonsie on August 18, 2015, 12:39:13 PM

Quote from: kenji on August 18, 2015, 12:26:20 PM

is bitcoin dead or is it different this time? Undecided

bitcoin will be replaced by bitcoinXT, the better alt-coin has been staring us in the face all this time.

if BitcoinXT really succeeds then it will become Bitcoin.

would not be the first hard fork in the bitcoin history, as far I know

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Only thing I can think of about that Kraken wall is that the fees are relatively low if your maker in the new model they have. Notice he/she's not buying into the market.

Edit: Still funny.

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Quote from: kenji on August 18, 2015, 12:26:20 PM

is bitcoin dead or is it different this time? Undecided

bitcoin will be replaced by bitcoinXT, the better alt-coin has been staring us in the face all this time.

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Quote from: Wexlike on August 18, 2015, 12:24:47 PM

Kraken orderbook, wtf.

Dear sir,

Congratulations, this is the only on-topic post I have seen since joining this forum/thread.

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is bitcoin dead or is it different this time? Undecided

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Kraken orderbook, wtf.

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Quote from: dreamspark on August 18, 2015, 11:03:30 AM

Quote from: phoenix1 on August 18, 2015, 10:58:11 AM

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Quote from: phoenix1 on August 18, 2015, 10:51:25 AM

I find the honesty refreshing and don't see him selling some of his stash as a conflict of interest unless he is planning to buy them back lower.

Game, set and match.

How could you ever know this. Hence conflict of interest.

What a ridiculous argument. Now he is a liar too as well as bad PR ... proof?
I'm outta here - this thread is turning into a witchhunt. Good luck !

Good bye, you clearly don't get it.

There's no need to prove it, that's the EXACT reason why you don't talk speculation in his position because you can't prove either way. That's why you keep your mouth shut and don't give anybody a reason to think what your saying has any hidden agenda. Therefore your arguments for anything to do with the project are clear of any financial conflict of interest.

I have no problem with what he does with his coins. Hell he could be short his whole stash and I wouldn't care but in the position he's in it's not something you do as PR for your project, end of.

Bitcoin is decentralized, he can say whatever he wants, nobody is forcing you to listen.

Just like I'm no longer forced to listen to you after I pushed "Ignore".

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Quote from: ImI on August 18, 2015, 09:10:07 AM

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Quote from: ImI on August 18, 2015, 08:58:54 AM

Imo Gavin and Hearn are to blame for this.

Blame for what?

For the PR desaster that is unfolding at the moment and that could cause harm to the adoption of BTC as much as Goxfart did.

For giving a choice? Whats with the constant personalisation of the issue? There are 800 fewer bitcoin core implementations - thats a lot of people making a choice.

The suppression of debate on here and reddit will likely have far deeper repercussions in the coming months.

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