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And there you have it, the big move.



This move should be big.

If it breaks down, go all in short. If it break up, go all in long Grin Grin




Hopefully in a few hours we have the verdict (if not we'll have to wait until tomorrow, booooring)  Grin
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there goes the stability..
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SOMEONE TURNED UP THE VOLUME YO Shocked
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Can someone explain to me GBTC owns X number of BTC, they provide X shares of BTC which trade at 2X btc price.

How does GBTC impact in any way the market price of BTC, they don't buy more BTC, do they have plans to add to their BTC holdings?

I get that over a 20 year period GBTC would be nice from a tax perspective, but other than that who cares......? why is GBTC even interesting for broader BTC world?

As far as I understand it, GBTC is interesting because it is the first "BTC tracking" security on public markets (meaning that anyone can theoretically add BTC to their IRA, Pension fund etc).

That being said, it has been a pretty amateur-hour debut - with low volume, high spreads and a price that is 2x the underlying value (each share of GBTC is backed by .1 BTC). The only way that GBTC can get more Bitcoin into the fund is if accredited investors buy GBTC shares directly from the company that manages the fund. The only way that more GBTC shares can make it to the Over-The-Counter market where it trades is for the shares to be held by these accredited investors for at least 12 months, then deposited with their broker and traded.

It seems that there exists a ridiculous arbitrage for those who hold GBTC shares that are 12 months or older (sell for $49 - $490 per BTC effectively - then buy more GBTC shares directly from the corporation @ roughly 24.30 + fees). Yet, no one appears to be taking advantage of this for some reason (perhaps there are not enough 12 month old Holders)...

If this was a regular ETF, the manager would buy/sell a large pool of BTC to accommodate the inflow of $ as people buy and cell the ETF (just like any ETF).

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Can someone explain to me GBTC owns X number of BTC, they provide X shares of BTC which trade at 2X btc price.

How does GBTC impact in any way the market price of BTC, they don't buy more BTC, do they have plans to add to their BTC holdings?

I get that over a 20 year period GBTC would be nice from a tax perspective, but other than that who cares......? why is GBTC even interesting for broader BTC world?

Nobody is actually interested - gbtc project's owners are just buying their own shares from themselves mostly hoping some idiots gonna buy their 2x overpriced shit instead of btc itself. Market is bored and barely holding from falling to sub 200$ levels which is inevitable due to incoming last auction, but market makers are just waiting for auction date announcement from USMS to start funny game called long squeeze.
Anyway, this is the thread of permasteers so lets forget about it and almost 0 reaction for all of those good news (reaction for swedish "nasdaq" crap will be the same), but who cares?
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Can someone explain to me GBTC owns X number of BTC, they provide X shares of BTC which trade at 2X btc price.

How does GBTC impact in any way the market price of BTC, they don't buy more BTC, do they have plans to add to their BTC holdings?

I get that over a 20 year period GBTC would be nice from a tax perspective, but other than that who cares......? why is GBTC even interesting for broader BTC world?

As far as I'm concerned GBTC is too small to matter. It doesn't affect anything.
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Can someone explain to me GBTC owns X number of BTC, they provide X shares of BTC which trade at 2X btc price.

How does GBTC impact in any way the market price of BTC, they don't buy more BTC, do they have plans to add to their BTC holdings?

I get that over a 20 year period GBTC would be nice from a tax perspective, but other than that who cares......? why is GBTC even interesting for broader BTC world?
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If we get a break up I would be shocked if it doesn't pass $250. A lot of the resistance has "disappeared"

There also was about 4000 BTC between 258 and 260. That has been cut in half today.

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250 before friday, i hope in june 300+

no way

Just lean back and watch the bull run, Bitcoin style.

I jinxed it, we're going down
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If we get a break up I would be shocked if it doesn't pass $250. A lot of the resistance has "disappeared"

There also was about 4000 BTC between 258 and 260. That has been cut in half today.
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hmmm , might not break 250 this week...tonight could be interesting...
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This move should be big.

If it breaks down, go all in short. If it break up, go all in long Grin Grin




Hopefully in a few hours we have the verdict (if not we'll have to wait until tomorrow, booooring)  Grin
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The remaining bears are getting frothy over on finex. I wonder how long it will take before they realize most of their friends have gone home.
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Trading taking off on GBTC. 25BTC.

img]https://i.imgur.com/EKcqIqc.gif[/img]

lol

This GBTC thing has been interesting/funny to watch. People buying an illiquid BTC proxy at 2x the underlying value...



I think the OTC market has a rather high price too, wouldn't surprise me if it's averaging around $500-$600 at this moment.

There IS a genuine demand for bitcoin, you better believe it.

It's just gonna take a while for all the infrastructure and technological improvements to get in place.
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