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So what is YOUR take on nations spending money that the unborn will have to repay?

That is terrible, of course.  But replacing a failing currency by a crypto that, if successlul, will make trillionaires of Satoshi & friends is even worse.  Where will those trillions come from?

And if the crypto fails, there will be no one to exchange it for euros at a fixed rate.  Again trillions will have changed hands, with no relation to work done.

sigh. You still haven't read any books on economics.Might I suggest Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt for starters and then The Road to Surfdom by (Nobel Laureate) F.A. Hayek.

Satoshi's trillions will come from the same place as Gates, Jobs, Buffet's billions came from:valuation of assets. If any of them attempted to liquidate those assets in bulk, they would plummet in value, which is why they rarely sell. They use those assets as they were intended to be used.

I myself do not plan to cash out more than 20% of my bitcoins, even if the price skyrockets. I intend to SPEND them. Trade makes both partners better off or it doesn't happen. It's win-win, unlike ANYTHING the government does. If the State did anything worthwhile, they wouldn't have to use force or threat of force to achieve compliance.

Nobody forces you to buy or use bitcoin. Those of us who do understand that it is at our own risk. Fiat currencies, OTOH, are compulsory due to legal tender laws. For that reason I oppose any country adopting bitcoin as a national currency. Instead I advocate the repeal of legal tender laws.

There is more relation to work done with bitcoin than any other currency ever. It is documented proof of work that makes a bitcoin a bitcoin. What makes a dollar a dollar? The whim of a central banker.
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This is a former Goldman analyst via his linkedin. I guess Goldman Director sounds better for your press release. May even be true, most banks have thousands of "VPs".

Coindesk does it all the time.  Like when a Deputy Director of the Statistics Dept of the PBoC became a "PBoC Director".
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So what is YOUR take on nations spending money that the unborn will have to repay?

That is terrible, of course.  But replacing a failing currency by a crypto that, if successlul, will make trillionaires of Satoshi & friends is even worse.  Where will those trillions come from?

And if the crypto fails, there will be no one to exchange it for euros at a fixed rate.  Again trillions will have changed hands, with no relation to work done.
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24,262 BTC swaps on bfx!  Pressure building...

you know what would be fun?

everyone lending btc to quit lending it..

shorts would either get forced into major interest rate hikes or to close their shorts



Rates are already @ 0.031% Fifty percent higher than a week ago. (~.020%)

Dollar rates are also going up, so this is gonna be a fun show one way or the other.

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24,262 BTC swaps on bfx!  Pressure building...

you know what would be fun?

everyone lending btc to quit lending it..

shorts would either get forced into major interest rate hikes or to close their shorts
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24,262 BTC swaps on bfx!  Pressure building...
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Nice try with that throwback Chinese panic dump. Market giving shorts false sense of hope and dealing pain to longs with tight stops. Figures.


P.s. why today's announcement of the new bitcoin derivatives exchange is a "game changer".

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This is why the announcement of a bitcoin futures-and-options broker is so exciting. Merchants will have more options to hedge bitcoin exposure which eventually could lead to fewer merchants immediately converting to fiat

And you can expect bitpay and coinbase will be using this new service!

If you could tolerate the third party risk, why not just take your cold storage coins and double down by putting them into 1 or 2 YR futures and go long?  If youbelieve long term priceis headed up, you could increase your profit w/oputting additionalcapital at risk. Also a futures market would be a much more accurate gauge on upcoming price movements than the nearly universally terrible technical analysis from Coindesk, cryptocoin news etc.

EDIT: the above link says NOTHING about the derivates exchange. Not a launch date, not a URL, not a name. nada.

Coindesk hasn't picked this story up yet?!?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ex-goldman-director-launches-bitcoin-derivatives-brokerage-2015-02-25-5203121

I found the name of the exchange: it's called LedgerX. You think those morons could have mentioned it in  the article.

This is a former Goldman analyst via his linkedin. I guess Goldman Director sounds better for your press release. May even be true, most banks have thousands of "VPs".
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Nice try with that throwback Chinese panic dump. Market giving shorts false sense of hope and dealing pain to longs with tight stops. Figures.


P.s. why today's announcement of the new bitcoin derivatives exchange is a "game changer".

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102456187

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This is why the announcement of a bitcoin futures-and-options broker is so exciting. Merchants will have more options to hedge bitcoin exposure which eventually could lead to fewer merchants immediately converting to fiat

And you can expect bitpay and coinbase will be using this new service!

If you could tolerate the third party risk, why not just take your cold storage coins and double down by putting them into 1 or 2 YR futures and go long?  If youbelieve long term priceis headed up, you could increase your profit w/oputting additionalcapital at risk. Also a futures market would be a much more accurate gauge on upcoming price movements than the nearly universally terrible technical analysis from Coindesk, cryptocoin news etc.

EDIT: the above link says NOTHING about the derivates exchange. Not a launch date, not a URL, not a name. nada.

Coindesk hasn't picked this story up yet?!?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ex-goldman-director-launches-bitcoin-derivatives-brokerage-2015-02-25-5203121

I found the name of the exchange: it's called LedgerX. You think those morons could have mentioned it in  the article.

That's another one, also from ex wall street execs! The one that opened today is http://www.cryptofacilities.com/

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Nice try with that throwback Chinese panic dump. Market giving shorts false sense of hope and dealing pain to longs with tight stops. Figures.


P.s. why today's announcement of the new bitcoin derivatives exchange is a "game changer".

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102456187

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This is why the announcement of a bitcoin futures-and-options broker is so exciting. Merchants will have more options to hedge bitcoin exposure which eventually could lead to fewer merchants immediately converting to fiat

And you can expect bitpay and coinbase will be using this new service!

If you could tolerate the third party risk, why not just take your cold storage coins and double down by putting them into 1 or 2 YR futures and go long?  If youbelieve long term priceis headed up, you could increase your profit w/oputting additionalcapital at risk. Also a futures market would be a much more accurate gauge on upcoming price movements than the nearly universally terrible technical analysis from Coindesk, cryptocoin news etc.

EDIT: the above link says NOTHING about the derivates exchange. Not a launch date, not a URL, not a name. nada.

Coindesk hasn't picked this story up yet?!?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ex-goldman-director-launches-bitcoin-derivatives-brokerage-2015-02-25-5203121

I found the name of the exchange: it's called LedgerX. You think those morons could have mentioned it in  the article.

EDIT: there are apparently TWO futures exchanges in the works. cryptofacilities.com is the other.
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What a fucking clown. Using bitcoin as a currency for a country:
https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/570609094438088705

Until now I believed that Jon Matonis was one of the few sensible and realist people in the bitcon scene (even though he is a bitcoin salesman).  But that is just too naive (or insincere).  Oh well...
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So what is YOUR take on nations spending money that the unborn will have to repay? If that's not taxation w/o representation, then what is it? You think that's moral? We fought a war against the strongest empire on earth to stop that kind of tyranny.

Are you gonna make some bullshit argument that the ends justifies the means as long as they invest the loot right?
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Nice try with that throwback Chinese panic dump. Market giving shorts false sense of hope and dealing pain to longs with tight stops. Figures.


P.s. why today's announcement of the new bitcoin derivatives exchange is a "game changer".

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102456187

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This is why the announcement of a bitcoin futures-and-options broker is so exciting. Merchants will have more options to hedge bitcoin exposure which eventually could lead to fewer merchants immediately converting to fiat

And you can expect bitpay and coinbase will be using this new service!

If you could tolerate the third party risk, why not just take your cold storage coins and double down by putting them into 1 or 2 YR futures and go long?  If youbelieve long term priceis headed up, you could increase your profit w/oputting additionalcapital at risk. Also a futures market would be a much more accurate gauge on upcoming price movements than the nearly universally terrible technical analysis from Coindesk, cryptocoin news etc.

EDIT: the above link says NOTHING about the derivates exchange. Not a launch date, not a URL, not a name. nada.

Coindesk hasn't picked this story up yet?!?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ex-goldman-director-launches-bitcoin-derivatives-brokerage-2015-02-25-5203121
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The last 2 USMS auctions [ ... ] were won by institutional investors, not by trader kids who use online exchanges.

The first one (30'000) was indeed won by Tim Draper, who said he would use the coins in the Vaurum fund/exchange.  But the second one was won by a consortium (syndicate) of small bidders, who apparently could not afford bidding for a whole 2000 BTC block.  SecondMarket organized the syndicate but promptly distributed the coins to the individual bidders (the splitting can be seen in the blockchain).
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It is 50k BTC of demand satiated in a day. Not inconsequential.

But is it 50k of demand from those that would use exchanges, or from those who would buy off-exchange?

It's also 50k BTC of selling pressure relived in a day. It's been know for a long time and priced in.

The fact that .gov has 94k btc to sell has been known, who the hell will buy them is more of an unknown. Will you help?
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What a fucking clown. Using bitcoin as a currency for a country:
https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/570609094438088705

Until now I believed that Jon Matonis was one of the few sensible and realist people in the bitcon scene (even though he is a bitcoin salesman).  But that is just too naive (or insincere).  Oh well...
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It is 50k BTC of demand satiated in a day. Not inconsequential.

But is it 50k of demand from those that would use exchanges, or from those who would buy off-exchange?

It's also 50k BTC of selling pressure relived in a day. It's been know for a long time and priced in.
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23,985 BTC swaps on bfx! Why would anyone sell short when they could just sell their coins? Oh, that's right.They don't have any. Leverage is piling up on bith sides. This is gonna blow big one way or the other.

USD swaps at 70,500 BTC equiv. I agree with the rest of your sentiment.
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It is 50k BTC of demand satiated in a day. Not inconsequential.

But is it 50k of demand from those that would use exchanges, or from those who would buy off-exchange?
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