Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 23128. (Read 26710080 times)
January 31, 2015, 12:11:01 PM
Noob question. Is there a way for one to somehow value this instrument for market vs intrinsic value.. Any ratio performance driver?Or something similar in a way to 3 financial statement forecasting model for equities or is TA the only way to ride?
January 31, 2015, 11:59:55 AM
January 31, 2015, 11:37:53 AM
yes, these are some of the largest currencies. I'd add singapore dollar and australian dollar
January 31, 2015, 11:33:28 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
Which stock market crash?
You will see
Just like i saw the crash of the dollar in 2000 ,2001 , 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , 2005 .... 2300, 2301,2302
I was not talking about the dollar.
I would not be surprised if the dollar has probably got still a ways up to go actually... makes sense, it could run up (against other currencies with their own woes) at least until the next round of in the US QE (4)....
US stock markets though are looking choppy and toppy... and with all that is going on, figures/fed talk global pressures I would not be surprised to see something go down this year, not in the least.
Though that being said with the current global currency wars, and the bond markets I would not be surprised to see some action in the dollar either..
I suspect though that the stock market and housing will probably take a hit first though, (followed by QE4?)
We shall see.
I know what you were talking about...
Another crash waiting at the corner ...and I gave you an example of another one people are waiting and waiting and waiting...
That is correct.... and are there any market watchers that have been around for a few decades that has a good reason to not wait for the next crash, in a cyclical stock market? Is there any reason that there should be an infinite bull run? are there any outside reasons, in this global system we have that there could be external pressures, and internal pressures that could cause the next (inevitable) financial crisis?
Guess not.
I am not arguing that it won't happen , but like the original post said ...2015?
I see no reason for this year to be the one of the crash and the ones saying preaching about it are the same that said 2014 2013 and 2012 before with the same arguments.
A fun competition would be to predict which of the large fiats will tank first. Will it be dollar, euro, yen, yuan, sterling or swiss francs? I guess those are the largest currencies.
January 31, 2015, 11:25:40 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
Which stock market crash?
You will see
Just like i saw the crash of the dollar in 2000 ,2001 , 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , 2005 .... 2300, 2301,2302
We have seen smaller national fiats die, next is the larger fiat systems, then the dollar. Thinking of it, a good forex strategy now would be to hold dollars, then, when most other fiats have died, sell dollars.
January 31, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
The sun on the meadow is summery warm
The stag in the forest runs free
But gather together to greet the storm
Tomorrow belongs to me
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs to me!
The stag in the forest runs free
But gather together to greet the storm
Tomorrow belongs to me
The morning will come
When the world is mine
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs
Tomorrow belongs to me!
January 31, 2015, 11:20:07 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
I have noticed too. In fact, nothing in the real world seems to be relevant to bitcoin price. I think the large volume is from trading back and forth, not affecting the price too much. The real market, for people permanently changing their assessment of bitcoin, is small. A few holders sell out, or a few minimalistic newbies decide to save a significant value in bitcoin, that can change the market, unpredictably.
January 31, 2015, 11:18:57 AM
http://www.coindesk.com/ibms-richard-gendal-brown-bitcoin-opening-minds/
"What I've come to stress more clearly over the last couple of months is: the security of the architecture underpinning decentralized systems like bitcoin does come from the incentivization of the miners."
Can't separate the chain from the coin son. Slowly but surely.
"What I've come to stress more clearly over the last couple of months is: the security of the architecture underpinning decentralized systems like bitcoin does come from the incentivization of the miners."
Can't separate the chain from the coin son. Slowly but surely.
January 31, 2015, 11:09:52 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
Which stock market crash?
You will see
Just like i saw the crash of the dollar in 2000 ,2001 , 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , 2005 .... 2300, 2301,2302
I was not talking about the dollar.
I would not be surprised if the dollar has probably got still a ways up to go actually... makes sense, it could run up (against other currencies with their own woes) at least until the next round of in the US QE (4)....
US stock markets though are looking choppy and toppy... and with all that is going on, figures/fed talk global pressures I would not be surprised to see something go down this year, not in the least.
Though that being said with the current global currency wars, and the bond markets I would not be surprised to see some action in the dollar either..
I suspect though that the stock market and housing will probably take a hit first though, (followed by QE4?)
We shall see.
I know what you were talking about...
Another crash waiting at the corner ...and I gave you an example of another one people are waiting and waiting and waiting...
That is correct.... and are there any market watchers that have been around for a few decades that has a good reason to not wait for the next crash, in a cyclical stock market? Is there any reason that there should be an infinite bull run? are there any outside reasons, in this global system we have that there could be external pressures, and internal pressures that could cause the next (inevitable) financial crisis?
Guess not.
I am not arguing that it won't happen , but like the original post said ...2015?
I see no reason for this year to be the one of the crash and the ones saying preaching about it are the same that said 2014 2013 and 2012 before with the same arguments.
For sure, you cannot call it for a certainty, and I have not got a magical crystal ball, however there is in my opinion a building confluence of exacerbating factors. Spinning plates... and some of them have already started to wobble and they need spinning soon, or else they are gonna drop. I am curious to see how the US market reacts going forward without stimulus, and if the situation deteriorates (almost as per plan) if this year QE4 is eventually rolled out. Also curious to see if the managed yuan peg gets dropped this year. Either way it has already been an interesting start to the year with lots going on globally, and I expect more volatility in the markets and some more interesting events, I do not think 2015 is going to be a boring year regardless.
January 31, 2015, 11:00:00 AM
January 31, 2015, 10:58:51 AM
We are getting downward movement on LTC/BTC may be a little early if we break 0.0083 then we will get a BTC/USD rise.
SO pay attention to that volume.
SO pay attention to that volume.
Everyday the Chinese pick a new trading range and today looks like 228-238. I think it's pretty clear they don't want to fuck with the wall at 222-220 as of yet
January 31, 2015, 10:55:48 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
Which stock market crash?
You will see
Just like i saw the crash of the dollar in 2000 ,2001 , 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , 2005 .... 2300, 2301,2302
I was not talking about the dollar.
I would not be surprised if the dollar has probably got still a ways up to go actually... makes sense, it could run up (against other currencies with their own woes) at least until the next round of in the US QE (4)....
US stock markets though are looking choppy and toppy... and with all that is going on, figures/fed talk global pressures I would not be surprised to see something go down this year, not in the least.
Though that being said with the current global currency wars, and the bond markets I would not be surprised to see some action in the dollar either..
I suspect though that the stock market and housing will probably take a hit first though, (followed by QE4?)
We shall see.
I know what you were talking about...
Another crash waiting at the corner ...and I gave you an example of another one people are waiting and waiting and waiting...
That is correct.... and are there any market watchers that have been around for a few decades that has a good reason to not wait for the next crash, in a cyclical stock market? Is there any reason that there should be an infinite bull run? are there any outside reasons, in this global system we have that there could be external pressures, and internal pressures that could cause the next (inevitable) financial crisis?
Guess not.
I am not arguing that it won't happen , but like the original post said ...2015?
I see no reason for this year to be the one of the crash and the ones saying preaching about it are the same that said 2014 2013 and 2012 before with the same arguments.
January 31, 2015, 10:50:22 AM
January 31, 2015, 10:47:38 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
Which stock market crash?
You will see
Just like i saw the crash of the dollar in 2000 ,2001 , 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , 2005 .... 2300, 2301,2302
I was not talking about the dollar.
I would not be surprised if the dollar has probably got still a ways up to go actually... makes sense, it could run up (against other currencies with their own woes) at least until the next round of in the US QE (4)....
US stock markets though are looking choppy and toppy... and with all that is going on, figures/fed talk global pressures I would not be surprised to see something go down this year, not in the least.
Though that being said with the current global currency wars, and the bond markets I would not be surprised to see some action in the dollar either..
I suspect though that the stock market and housing will probably take a hit first though, (followed by QE4?)
We shall see.
I know what you were talking about...
Another crash waiting at the corner ...and I gave you an example of another one people are waiting and waiting and waiting...
That is correct.... and are there any market watchers that have been around for a few decades that has a good reason to not wait for the next crash, in a cyclical stock market? Is there any reason that there should be an infinite bull run? are there any outside reasons, in this global system we have that there could be external pressures, and internal pressures that could cause the next (inevitable) stock market crash/bear market/financial crisis?
Guess not.
(besides, before we think about the next financial crisis, how about we get through the one we are already in, the one in which, apart from anything else, the bull run in US stocks makes no sense....unless of course QE 1-3)
January 31, 2015, 10:42:12 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
Which stock market crash?
You will see
Just like i saw the crash of the dollar in 2000 ,2001 , 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , 2005 .... 2300, 2301,2302
I was not talking about the dollar.
I would not be surprised if the dollar has probably got still a ways up to go actually... makes sense, it could run up (against other currencies with their own woes) at least until the next round of in the US QE (4)....
US stock markets though are looking choppy and toppy... and with all that is going on, figures/fed talk global pressures I would not be surprised to see something go down this year, not in the least.
Though that being said with the current global currency wars, and the bond markets I would not be surprised to see some action in the dollar either..
I suspect though that the stock market and housing will probably take a hit first though, (followed by QE4?)
We shall see.
I know what you were talking about...
Another crash waiting at the corner ...and I gave you an example of another one people are waiting and waiting and waiting...
January 31, 2015, 10:41:41 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
Which stock market crash?
You will see
Just like i saw the crash of the dollar in 2000 ,2001 , 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , 2005 .... 2300, 2301,2302
the difference is that now the entire world is going through mass de-dollarization.. and its picking up speed.
but since euro zone is killing himself and euro is losing value to USD, what will replace USD?
Rubles? CHinese money?
A basket of currencies, maybe including the euro in some incarnation and some of the BRIC nations including a free floating yuan partially backed by gold?
January 31, 2015, 10:39:25 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
Which stock market crash?
You will see
Just like i saw the crash of the dollar in 2000 ,2001 , 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , 2005 .... 2300, 2301,2302
I was not talking about the dollar.
I would not be surprised if the dollar has probably got still a ways up to go actually... makes sense, it could run up (against other currencies with their own woes) at least until the next round of in the US QE (4)....
US stock markets though are looking choppy and toppy... and with all that is going on, figures/fed talk global pressures I would not be surprised to see something go down this year, not in the least.
Though that being said with the current global currency wars, and the bond markets I would not be surprised to see some action in the dollar either..
I suspect though that the stock market and housing will probably take a hit first though, (followed by QE4?)
We shall see.
January 31, 2015, 10:31:21 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
Which stock market crash?
You will see
Just like i saw the crash of the dollar in 2000 ,2001 , 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , 2005 .... 2300, 2301,2302
the difference is that now the entire world is going through mass de-dollarization.. and its picking up speed.
de-dollarization?
Watching too much russia propaganda my friend
Even the trolls of us doom at zerohedge are saying brics are f***
LOL ya ok.. i guess the millions of people who watch RT are also brain washed by "russian propaganda"? and the propaganda is why RT ratings are exploding upwards and US news stations are seeing the worst ratings in decades? ya im sure thats because its russia that is trying to brain wash people... lol
So we got a putroll here
))I got a nice article for you
Since it was published on zerohedge you can't accuse it of being pro us , right =)))))
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/chinas-offshore-yuan-crashes-2-year-low-beijing-warns-its-citizens-dont-buy-dollars
Quote
Because in a notice posted on Chinese media yesterday, China is now openly scrambling and on the defensive, when it comes to an ever stronger rush by the locals to get out of their own currency and into the US dollar. As Want China Times reports, "prompted by the robust performance of the US dollar, growing numbers of Chinese are considering converting renminbi to dollar-denominated assets." It is for those "growing numbers" that China has a polite warning: "experts are advising them to think carefully before making the move."
and another one
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/brazils-economy-verge-total-collapse
What is left?
India? Russia? =)))
I am writing of South Africa since in 2030 it's estimated 35% of it's population will be infected with HIV so , why bother talking about a soon to be extinct species
January 31, 2015, 10:27:01 AM
I'd rather watch water boil than look at these bitcoin charts right now. It's a shame to all the ponzies conducted in the past.
Don't worry
Some people like that stuff I liken it to going camping in winter.10:20AM EST 2015-1-31
LTC/BTC BTC-e & LTC/CNY OKCoin
OKCoin BTC/CNY & Huobi BTC/CNY
Some here don't want it going up.
January 31, 2015, 10:20:16 AM
This ongoing first stage of the stock market crash of 2015 doesn´t seem to affect BTC action noticeably so far.
Which stock market crash?
You will see
Just like i saw the crash of the dollar in 2000 ,2001 , 2002 , 2003 , 2004 , 2005 .... 2300, 2301,2302
the difference is that now the entire world is going through mass de-dollarization.. and its picking up speed.
de-dollarization?
Watching too much russia propaganda my friend
Even the trolls of us doom at zerohedge are saying brics are f***
LOL ya ok.. i guess the millions of people who watch RT are also brain washed by "russian propaganda"? and the propaganda is why RT ratings are exploding upwards and US news stations are seeing the worst ratings in decades? ya im sure thats because its russia that is trying to brain wash people... lol
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