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legendary
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In order to dump coins one must have coins
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

But they pass this cost of fraud onto the consumer, effectively raising the price of everything you buy. BTC insurance could become a fairly large industry.

Citation please?  People here say that a lot but I've never seen any proof that fraud is a line in COGS

Trolling? In US gas stations in some states list prices in cash and credit card. Credit card fraud costs millions each year, doesn't take a genius to realize that someone is paying for that, guess who that someone is  Roll Eyes

Wow Only one example without citation.  They don't do that in my state or any states from NY to VA.  By your idiotic logic, I can claim that merchants are passing all their costs to the consumer including rents and payroll insurance, etc..




Try broadening your horizons and getting at least out of your state for starters. Yes they do that's basic business. Covering from their margins lol and where do those margins come from? Ok ok have it your way credit cards cover fraud from their margins, which they get by charging the retailer, who pays it from their margins which they get by charging customers. That's why retailers charge higher fee for credit card use (err give discount when you DON'T use CC) where allowed heres one of the first google results http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/17/business/merchants-consider-credit-card-surcharges-or-cash-discounts.html?_r=0 i didn't really read the whole thing don't have time to entertain every troll
legendary
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hero member
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Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

But they pass this cost of fraud onto the consumer, effectively raising the price of everything you buy. BTC insurance could become a fairly large industry.

Citation please?  People here say that a lot but I've never seen any proof that fraud is a line in COGS

I assume the merchants are subsidising that in the fees they pay.

Mainly is the " interchange fee" the Visa and MC and AMex, Disc pays to the middle merchant banks to promote their cards,which includes interest 2-3% and per transaction fees.

Yes merchants pay a cc fee.  But any proof they pass this onto consumer?  I think they just eat it in their margin.  I know my business did

The intermediary bank and association pays for it.

But the "interchange" association will reimburse some of the loss to the final merchant if they used rules like i.d. verification  and physical swipe of transaction  them from the buyer, online sales are much higher risk than physical location, therefore the higher interest and swipe charges for online merchants.

Thank you.

I also think the claim that bitcoin is cheaper than CC is bogus.  Cost per transaction is all time low and it's still around $8-9.  A year ago it was almost $80 per transaction

https://blockchain.info/charts/cost-per-transaction

On top of that there's the 9% inflation from block rewards


hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 1003
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

But they pass this cost of fraud onto the consumer, effectively raising the price of everything you buy. BTC insurance could become a fairly large industry.

Citation please?  People here say that a lot but I've never seen any proof that fraud is a line in COGS

I assume the merchants are subsidising that in the fees they pay.

Mainly is the " interchange fee" the Visa and MC and AMex, Disc pays to the middle merchant banks to promote their cards,which includes interest 2-3% and per transaction fees.

Yes merchants pay a cc fee.  But any proof they pass this onto consumer?  I think they just eat it in their margin.  I know my business did

The intermediary bank and association pays for it.

But the "interchange" association will reimburse some of the loss to the final merchant if they used rules like i.d. verification  and physical swipe of transaction  them from the buyer, online sales are much higher risk than physical location, therefore the higher interest and swipe charges for online merchants.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

But they pass this cost of fraud onto the consumer, effectively raising the price of everything you buy. BTC insurance could become a fairly large industry.

Citation please?  People here say that a lot but I've never seen any proof that fraud is a line in COGS

I assume the merchants are subsidising that in the fees they pay.

Mainly is the " interchange fee" the Visa and MC and AMex, Disc pays to the middle merchant banks to promote their cards,which includes interest 2-3% and per transaction fees.

Yes merchants pay a cc fee.  But any proof they pass this onto consumer?  I think they just eat it in their margin.  I know my business did
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

But they pass this cost of fraud onto the consumer, effectively raising the price of everything you buy. BTC insurance could become a fairly large industry.

Citation please?  People here say that a lot but I've never seen any proof that fraud is a line in COGS

Trolling? In US gas stations in some states list prices in cash and credit card. Credit card fraud costs millions each year, doesn't take a genius to realize that someone is paying for that, guess who that someone is  Roll Eyes

Wow Only one example without citation.  They don't do that in my state or any states from NY to VA.  By your idiotic logic, I can claim that merchants are passing all their costs to the consumer including rents and payroll insurance, etc..


legendary
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$250 by the end of the month, I reckon.

Silver parity at this rate
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 1003
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

But they pass this cost of fraud onto the consumer, effectively raising the price of everything you buy. BTC insurance could become a fairly large industry.

Citation please?  People here say that a lot but I've never seen any proof that fraud is a line in COGS

I assume the merchants are subsidising that in the fees they pay.

Mainly is the " interchange fee" the Visa and MC and AMex, Disc pays to the middle merchant banks to promote their cards,which includes interest 2-3% and per transaction fees.
sr. member
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$250 by the end of the month, I reckon.
legendary
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Smile
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

circle.com is insured for loss of btc
legendary
Activity: 2833
Merit: 1851
In order to dump coins one must have coins
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

But they pass this cost of fraud onto the consumer, effectively raising the price of everything you buy. BTC insurance could become a fairly large industry.

Citation please?  People here say that a lot but I've never seen any proof that fraud is a line in COGS

Trolling? In US gas stations in some states list prices in cash and credit card. Credit card fraud costs millions each year, doesn't take a genius to realize that someone is paying for that, guess who that someone is  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 2604
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Welt Am Draht
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

But they pass this cost of fraud onto the consumer, effectively raising the price of everything you buy. BTC insurance could become a fairly large industry.

Citation please?  People here say that a lot but I've never seen any proof that fraud is a line in COGS

I assume the merchants are subsidising that in the fees they pay.
legendary
Activity: 2380
Merit: 1823
1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

But they pass this cost of fraud onto the consumer, effectively raising the price of everything you buy. BTC insurance could become a fairly large industry.

Citation please?  People here say that a lot but I've never seen any proof that fraud is a line in COGS
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.

But they pass this cost of fraud onto the consumer, effectively raising the price of everything you buy. BTC insurance could become a fairly large industry.
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 1003
Most credit cards and banks cover for unauthorized losses, which BTC does not have this insurance.
hero member
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Merit: 501
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Nothing to add...

I can buy 30% less smack now than I could last week. Bloody ridiculous

Silly me, I spent some BTC at newegg.... BTC is only used to buy drugs? I must have missed the boat on this one...
Problem: theres no point in that. Bitcoin is less secure and harder to use..

I'm a long time lurker of this thread, but I feel like this overlooks the idea that hiding your identity isn't just for buying drugs.

Almost yearly it seems you hear of some corporation being hacked, and thousands of peoples identity and credit card information is then compromised. Why should these corporations have such access to all my personal info before I can buy something online?
Really all they should need is money, and an address to send something to.

I would agree that bitcoin is currently less secure and harder to use for the average person which is currently a dilemma, likely to be improved. But if one understands how to manage their own wealth (ideally PC security), and take the time to learn how Bitcoin operates, they will see there is so much more to bitcoin then simply buying drugs anonymously, but I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir Wink

Yep, all one needs to do is hack some cc or bank.... over Home Depot and have not only your CC info or bank account info, but your name and addy, all that stuff.

Sure, you can repair whatever damage is done to your name... but that takes tons of time and effort chasing stuff down and pleading your case.
sr. member
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Nothing to add...

I can buy 30% less smack now than I could last week. Bloody ridiculous

Silly me, I spent some BTC at newegg.... BTC is only used to buy drugs? I must have missed the boat on this one...
Problem: theres no point in that. Bitcoin is less secure and harder to use..

I'm a long time lurker of this thread, but I feel like this overlooks the idea that hiding your identity isn't just for buying drugs.

Almost yearly it seems you hear of some corporation being hacked, and thousands of peoples identity and credit card information is then compromised. Why should these corporations have such access to all my personal info before I can buy something online?
Really all they should need is money, and an address to send something to.

I would agree that bitcoin is currently less secure and harder to use for the average person which is currently a dilemma, likely to be improved. But if one understands how to manage their own wealth (ideally PC security), and take the time to learn how Bitcoin operates, they will see there is so much more to bitcoin then simply buying drugs anonymously, but I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir Wink
legendary
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