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legendary
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Another thing to take note of (apart from it's Christmas) is the difficulty chart. It went down 4% and the trend is still ''down''. It seems we somehow found a way to an equilibrium.

https://blockchain.info/el/charts/difficulty

It's obvious that bitcoin miners are minting at very low % of profit.
The bigger ones try to hold as much as they can to seel in "pumps" like the one that we've seen before. The others just shut-off their rigs to don't pay more in electricity than what they really earn.

Could be interesting to have the testimonial of some miners and know if they hold or sell all their minted btc's  Wink

I often hear "only large industrial size mining farms can be profitable"

This sentiment gets repeated until it is largely accepted as "fact".

But a home miner does not need to lease a large factory space or airplane hangar, and in the winter the electricity is effectively free. So I think the small miners can still compete by virtue of having lower overhead costs.

As an example, my cost right now is approximately $100 per bitcoin mined, and I don't sell any.

Other miners please feel free to chime in...

$100 per coin including your hardware costs?

Yeah, hardware costs were recovered long ago.
legendary
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legendary
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you can call bs, but I get similar numbers - about 100~120 $ for 1 btc.

hardware cost excluded, but most hardware is working for months already. hell, i got bitfury gear which is more than 1 year old and still mining with profit.
So why is hashing rate dropping then?




If you factor in the lower variance when the network difficulty is dropping then anyone who pays more then $0.14 per KWH and has the hardware paid off is making at most 12% profit not including any other overhead.

Reality.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
legendary
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you can call bs, but I get similar numbers - about 100~120 $ for 1 btc.

hardware cost excluded, but most hardware is working for months already. hell, i got bitfury gear which is more than 1 year old and still mining with profit.
So why is hashing rate dropping then?


maybe some noobs didnt do their homework and have expensive electricity.

I dont care really.


Expensive electricity and/or expensive hardware(imported stuff with taxes) and/or taxes.

How much left after taxes.

If you ever bother with them at all.


no taxes for btc here.
hero member
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you can call bs, but I get similar numbers - about 100~120 $ for 1 btc.

hardware cost excluded, but most hardware is working for months already. hell, i got bitfury gear which is more than 1 year old and still mining with profit.
So why is hashing rate dropping then?


maybe some noobs didnt do their homework and have expensive electricity.

I dont care really.


Expensive electricity and/or expensive hardware(imported stuff with taxes) and/or taxes.

How much left after taxes.

If you ever bother with them at all.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
$58 excluding HW,

You are all losing to Fatman  Tongue


if true, he is paying for 1 kW 0.04 $.

not bad.



No wonder the nosedive continues. They're cheap to make Shocked
legendary
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legendary
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legendary
Activity: 1232
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you can call bs, but I get similar numbers - about 100~120 $ for 1 btc.

hardware cost excluded, but most hardware is working for months already. hell, i got bitfury gear which is more than 1 year old and still mining with profit.
So why is hashing rate dropping then?


maybe some noobs didnt do their homework and have expensive electricity.

I dont care really.
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1014
Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
you can call bs, but I get similar numbers - about 100~120 $ for 1 btc.

hardware cost excluded, but most hardware is working for months already. hell, i got bitfury gear which is more than 1 year old and still mining with profit.
So why is hashing rate dropping then?




If you buy HW now it won't pay itself back before the next gen of machines are available.

Edit: + electricity prices vary alot. People in countries like Germany, the Benelux countries and many others have turned off their machines by now.

http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/average-electricity-prices-kwh

I pay 4 cents/kwh

Edit 2: I double checked, it's actually less than 4 cents.
legendary
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Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
legendary
Activity: 1022
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Delusional crypto obsessionist
you can call bs, but I get similar numbers - about 100~120 $ for 1 btc.

hardware cost excluded, but most hardware is working for months already. hell, i got bitfury gear which is more than 1 year old and still mining with profit.
So why is hashing rate dropping then?


legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1011
you can call bs, but I get similar numbers - about 100~120 $ for 1 btc.

hardware cost excluded, but most hardware is working for months already. hell, i got bitfury gear which is more than 1 year old and still mining with profit.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
Another thing to take note of (apart from it's Christmas) is the difficulty chart. It went down 4% and the trend is still ''down''. It seems we somehow found a way to an equilibrium.

https://blockchain.info/el/charts/difficulty

It's obvious that bitcoin miners are minting at very low % of profit.
The bigger ones try to hold as much as they can to seel in "pumps" like the one that we've seen before. The others just shut-off their rigs to don't pay more in electricity than what they really earn.

Could be interesting to have the testimonial of some miners and know if they hold or sell all their minted btc's  Wink

I often hear "only large industrial size mining farms can be profitable"

This sentiment gets repeated until it is largely accepted as "fact".

But a home miner does not need to lease a large factory space or airplane hangar, and in the winter the electricity is effectively free. So I think the small miners can still compete by virtue of having lower overhead costs.

As an example, my cost right now is approximately $100 per bitcoin mined, and I don't sell any.

Other miners please feel free to chime in...

$100 per coin including your hardware costs?

I call bullshit with a capital B

Somebody had to
sr. member
Activity: 434
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Another thing to take note of (apart from it's Christmas) is the difficulty chart. It went down 4% and the trend is still ''down''. It seems we somehow found a way to an equilibrium.

https://blockchain.info/el/charts/difficulty

It's obvious that bitcoin miners are minting at very low % of profit.
The bigger ones try to hold as much as they can to seel in "pumps" like the one that we've seen before. The others just shut-off their rigs to don't pay more in electricity than what they really earn.

Could be interesting to have the testimonial of some miners and know if they hold or sell all their minted btc's  Wink

I often hear "only large industrial size mining farms can be profitable"

This sentiment gets repeated until it is largely accepted as "fact".

But a home miner does not need to lease a large factory space or airplane hangar, and in the winter the electricity is effectively free. So I think the small miners can still compete by virtue of having lower overhead costs.

As an example, my cost right now is approximately $100 per bitcoin mined, and I don't sell any.

Other miners please feel free to chime in...

$100 per coin including your hardware costs?

I call bullshit with a capital B
legendary
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legendary
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Delusional crypto obsessionist
I'm getting sick and tired of this 333 stuff.
Can we please skip this part and drop to 270 already?

I'm getting sick and tired of this 333 stuff.
I'm sick of bouncing off and think we should blast through instead.

I know there's a little bull inside you... let it grow. Nourish it, so it can take over. A time will come when the bear must let go.


My bull will be released around january 14th. I'll go all in, whatever price.



Why not now?


Because I'm a greedy motherfucker with too little coins (<10).
I want to buy them cheap for maximum profit.
I think price will get below 275 for a brief moment in time.
My buy orders will be there.
If I miss it, I will panic buy and fuel the bubble which will bring us to 1 gazillion USD/BTC and will be happy as well.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1000
I'm getting sick and tired of this 333 stuff.
Can we please skip this part and drop to 270 already?

I'm getting sick and tired of this 333 stuff.
I'm sick of bouncing off and think we should blast through instead.

I know there's a little bull inside you... let it grow. Nourish it, so it can take over. A time will come when the bear must let go.


My bull will be released around january 14th. I'll go all in, whatever price.



Why not now?
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1008
Delusional crypto obsessionist
I'm getting sick and tired of this 333 stuff.
Can we please skip this part and drop to 270 already?

I'm getting sick and tired of this 333 stuff.
I'm sick of bouncing off and think we should blast through instead.

I know there's a little bull inside you... let it grow. Nourish it, so it can take over. A time will come when the bear must let go.


My bull will be released around january 14th. I'll go all in, whatever price.

legendary
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Merit: 1045
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