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However, the available BTC on the sidelines may jump in and that would require up to 91.7k+335k BTC = 640M USD.

Now, I don’t have data for finex, okcoin, btce and other exchanges but they surely would add quite something to that amount.
Also, I’m not sure if I recall correctly that someone posted the stamp wallet a couple of times since May and it was at around 260k then it grew close to 300k. That would require revising the above figures upwards.

Maybe someone will take it from here but I don’t think 100M USD will do anything visible to the price. Remember that finex has more than 22M in longs and it seems that it couldn’t even stop the downtrend let alone to increase the price even so slightly. So, to get a 4-5x increase in price I suspect we need on the order of 1B USD or more. Yes, there will be a rush in of fresh money but also a rush in of old coins too…
Good part is I think it is still doable of having 100k newcomers each bringing in a fresh 10K USD (in average).

Thanks. An input of 1 G$ is obviously less likely than 100 M$, but still way less than the 600 G$ estimated earlier from the total coins.   Not impossible, I woudl think.

By the way, the market cap is not very relevant for bitcoin because the vast majority of the coins was bought at such low price, and if they were to be sold the price might crash to single digits again.  It would be more interesting to estimate the amount V of USD that people invested buying the 113.6 M existing coins.  

An estimate of V would be the sum of the bitcoins in each unspent transaction output (UTXO) in the blockchain, times the USD/BTC price on the date of that transaction.  Thus, for example Satoshi's million bitcoins would count as a few dollars, rather than ~300 M dollars.  Anyone would care to compute that?  That number would be only a rough estimate of V, more likely on the high side, since the last transaction for some UTXO may not have been a sale.
legendary
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SpacePirate.io
Happens every time there is good news about bitcoin, microsoft and time accept bitcoin, the price drops. Go figure  Wink
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Not a single word about LTC, how it's going down and how apparently it wants to take BTC with it?
Seriously now, is was just me expecting a decoupling from LTC and some transients along?
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Really looks like that bitcoin failed as an experiment
For people like you who leverage 20x and take loans to buy BTC chasing their Hopium? Yes. For investors and traders, not so much IMO.

If you want a casino, you should go to an actual casino, or maybe try Ripple I guess.

care to explain how someone can do stupid things regardless of what happens next?
I cannot believe you do not understand this: It is stupid to increase your slippage cost, reduce your execution chances and increase your counter-party exposure by selling only on one single exchange. It does not matter what followed after. And in his case, the price actually rose for months afterwards, and he sold at the bottom. Had he had a modicum of sense execution wise and technicals wise, he'd have done much better.

Also, I don't believe he has another 30k because the way he sold showed that he was in a rush, for whatever reason. I'm sure you agree.


you didnt answer my question really and again are questioning his trading methods.

but you said that he was stupid to sell regardless of what happens next and I am asking to you what happens if price crashes to sub 100?
But I am questioning his execution (methods) primarily. He was unsophisticated on that front. Thus, I infer from his trading inexperience that the most likely reason for his rush was just panic. And of course when you act on emotional signals, you have a good chance of picking a bad time to sell, like he did. If the price goes double digits, it'll still have been bad execution and bad timing at that point in time. Maybe you disagree. Then I agree to disagree. Cheesy
legendary
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#Free market
This time I've voted for : crash down and make a new all time recent low .


In this circumstance it can happen more easily ....
legendary
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Strange, yet attractive.
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
Meanwhile, getting nearer to 1 billion market cap.

😈

Really looks like that bitcoin failed as an experiment

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what happens if price crashes to 100 $ levels?

legendary
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Where can I buy ripple? I think it's shit but a centralized currency might eventually take over.

IMO bitcoin has too many wallets, too many programs for it so the average joe gets confused as to which one to use. It's better if he's just getting told "use this, do that" and everybody use the same thing

When the bitcoin infrastructure matures some clients will float above the rest and that's what average joe will use.

Hopefully..
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...Those terms are for suckers who think the market is ruled by people more wealthy than them...

>wealthy people rule market
>people

Good one, human.  



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords


legendary
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Where can I buy ripple? I think it's shit but a centralized currency might eventually take over.

IMO bitcoin has too many wallets, too many programs for it so the average joe gets confused as to which one to use. It's better if he's just getting told "use this, do that" and everybody use the same thing

Do you want to buy with BTC?  

Either way, you will want to start a new account at ripple.com

I use SnapSwap with USD.  You can do an instant deposit within seconds through 13 major banks.

The total number of supported banks is now thirteen. The initial list of supported banks included Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Capital One, Capital One 360, TD Bank, US Bank, PNC, Chase, Citibank.

http://blog.snapswap.vc/2014/11/four-more-banks-are-available-for.html


For Btc, create a wallet in ripple and below is a little tutorial on creating a new bitcoin address inside your ripple wallet to transfer btc to it.

www.btc2ripple.com

https://xrptalk.org/topic/4547-getting-from-btc2ripplecom-to-rippletrade/?hl=btc2ripple

Thanks, i'm not sure if i will buy yet though

What one could do is go sell of all their bitcoin stash for ripple if ripple was to go up to 2.5 billion and bitcoin down to 2.5 bio and it was obvious that ripple was taking over. That way you won't lose any potential profits.
legendary
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care to explain how someone can do stupid things regardless of what happens next?
I cannot believe you do not understand this: It is stupid to increase your slippage cost, reduce your execution chances and increase your counter-party exposure by selling only on one single exchange. It does not matter what followed after. And in his case, the price actually rose for months afterwards, and he sold at the bottom. Had he had a modicum of sense execution wise and technicals wise, he'd have done much better.

Also, I don't believe he has another 30k because the way he sold showed that he was in a rush, for whatever reason. I'm sure you agree.


you didnt answer my question really and again you are questioning his trading methods.

you said that he was stupid to sell regardless of what happens next and I am asking to you what happens if price crashes to 100 $ levels?
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On their homepage I still see only the same option as always (the "top-up card")
https://www.huobi.com/
I see no announcement (usually important news are in the "red bulb" link below the header gif).

If it is true, there may be a rally.
legendary
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Really looks like that bitcoin failed as an experiment
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Meanwhile, getting nearer to 1 billion market cap.

😈
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About double and triple bottoms, and generally any patterns and signals in technical analysis:

It makes no sense to anticipate patterns and signals before they actually form. The only point of that is for letting your Hopium (don't smoke that shit, it really is bad for you) run wild and your fantasies roam free. For a double bottom, that would be rising above the highest point in between the two double bottoms. At that point, it'd be confirmed.

Triple bottoms especially are such a rare pattern that you should always bet that the second bottom will be pierced if the price gets near it again.

care to explain how someone can do stupid things regardless of what happens next?
I cannot believe you do not understand this: It is stupid to increase your slippage cost, reduce your execution chances and increase your counter-party exposure by selling only on one single exchange. It does not matter what followed after. And in his case, the price actually rose for months afterwards, and he sold at the bottom in both the short and medium time frames. Had he had a modicum of sense execution wise and technicals wise, he'd have done much better.

Also, I don't believe he has another 30k because the way he sold showed that he was in a rush, for whatever reason. I'm sure you agree.
donator
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Are we hitting a triple bottom? 

333. triple bottom!



Bitstamp order book is starting to look like a tidal wave forming.
legendary
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Are we hitting a triple bottom? 

Only if you believe we aren't going down even more.

DO you believe?
legendary
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hell, I wont even bother to go and search all your posts about some "poor" bearwhale dumping 30 k @ at the bottom of a downtrend. you repeated it for so many times as if it had some meaning but it turns out you were merely doing your own trading agenda.
No matter how many times you repeat it, it will not get any less stupid to sell 30k BTC at one single exchange in 8 hours at the bottom of a mid term trend. Remember, Bitstamp's price was actually severely (3-5% iirc) below all the other exchanges.

Noone who has traded in his life before acts like that. So yes, I think it was an inexperienced guy who got sick of hodling after all these years and just wanted to GTFO. Guy was a fool, regardless of what happens months after his stupid action.

i say he is much smarter than you, look at the price now
He sold at 300 and below. Even today, price is higher. And like I said before, you guys need to learn to deal with probabilities (post hoc explanations are meaningless).

It is generally bad to sell all your holdings at one place at one time if you are extremely dependent on liquidity. Plus, he obviously hasn't done his homework on the technical picture at the time. If you do not understand these things, then too bad for you.


and you know for sure that he sold everything? what if another 30 k wall shows up at 300? Cheesy

care to explain how someone can do stupid things regardless of what happens next?
legendary
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Are we hitting a triple bottom? 

333. triple bottom!

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hell, I wont even bother to go and search all your posts about some "poor" bearwhale dumping 30 k @ at the bottom of a downtrend. you repeated it for so many times as if it had some meaning but it turns out you were merely doing your own trading agenda.
No matter how many times you repeat it, it will not get any less stupid to sell 30k BTC at one single exchange in 8 hours at the bottom of a mid term trend. Remember, Bitstamp's price was actually severely (3-5% iirc) below all the other exchanges.

Noone who has traded in his life before acts like that. So yes, I think it was an inexperienced guy who got sick of hodling after all these years and just wanted to GTFO. Guy was a fool, regardless of what happens months after his stupid action.

i say he is much smarter than you, look at the price now
He sold at 300 and below. Even today, price is higher. And like I said before, you guys need to learn to deal with probabilities (post hoc explanations are meaningless).

It is generally bad to sell all your holdings at one place at one time if you are extremely dependent on liquidity. Plus, he obviously hasn't done his homework on the technical picture at the time. If you do not understand these things, then too bad for you.

Edit: Holy shit. I just accidentally replied to a fallling clone. Cheesy Cheesy
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