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newbie
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There was talk about OKCoin taking on some major hedge fund trades -- supposedly something like $3 billion. However, it turned out that, although they were using OKCoin's platform, they weren't looking to trade in Bitcoins.

Yeah, JorgeStolfi has confirmed this several times.

Not quite... I just pointed out that the fatal sentence could also be interpreted as "the fund will use our software and/or servers", rather than "the fund will trade bitcoin at our exchange".  

However, since there was no further confirmation of the "will trade bitcoin" interpretation, and the price collapsed right away, I think that the alternative interpretation is now quite likely.

Not very scientific of you stolfi. Unless you have actual evidence to suggest that this 3bn hedge fund is not going to use bitcoin on OKCOIN then well done on becoming an out and out FUD'er.


3bn hedge funds decide to borrow software from some random btc site to trade other stuff? makes sense, because multi billion dollar hedge funds couldn't possibly buy their own servers or write their own software without involving a third party if it had  nothing to do with bitcoin.

jorgestolfi is one of the stupider trolls in here, but he genuinely believes he's smarter than everyone else, he's staked his reputation and ego on bitcoin being a failure, so now he's desperate for it to fail rather than end up looking the fool.

I worked with high frequency trading firms, who were in the same sort of valuation league as the afore mentioned hedge fund, these are companies that will spend $2000 on their lunch order and hire the best network and programmer guys in the world on salaries of hundreds of thousands of dollars *per month* in order to gain just a millisecond or two advantage on the market, to think they'd just co opt third party software or even borrow a server is absolutely stupid.

The only possible explanation for a hedge fund trading on a bitcoin exchange is that they have something they want, and cannot simply buy for themselves, and the only thing okcoin possibly has that they do not have or cannot buy is access to bitcoin market info, or the liquidity they need to play.

It's not neccessarily a good thing like some of the more myopic believers in here think, they could just plan to HFT the market and suck every penny out of everyone until btc is worthless, if they can. hedgefunds, HFT firms and the like do not *need* the market to increase in value to turn a profit, so the fact a hedgefund is involved doesn't neccessarily mean the price has to spike, as professor stolfi seems convinced should have happened if it were true.


tl;dr
=short and distort if it goes to zero they never have to cover and will just keep the money! muuahhaha Wink
legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
I gotta go with paper wallets as well. I don't entirely trust circle. I'll buy BTC there or Coinbase but then I'll transfer to my paper wallets.

I buy directly into paper wallets and mine directly into a paper wallet. I haven't used an exchange since May.

I do keep a couple of dozen coins at an exchange in case of an emergency or exceptional trading opportunity and less than 2 coins on my Android device for shopping, but I'm aware of the risk involved.

Hopefully you never encounter a house fire.

I have encrypted offsite backups.
legendary
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World Class Cryptonaire
I gotta go with paper wallets as well. I don't entirely trust circle. I'll buy BTC there or Coinbase but then I'll transfer to my paper wallets.

I buy directly into paper wallets and mine directly into a paper wallet. I haven't used an exchange since May.

I do keep a couple of dozen coins at an exchange in case of an emergency or exceptional trading opportunity and less than 2 coins on my Android device for shopping, but I'm aware of the risk involved.

Hopefully you never encounter a house fire.
legendary
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full member
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There was talk about OKCoin taking on some major hedge fund trades -- supposedly something like $3 billion. However, it turned out that, although they were using OKCoin's platform, they weren't looking to trade in Bitcoins.

Yeah, JorgeStolfi has confirmed this several times.

Not quite... I just pointed out that the fatal sentence could also be interpreted as "the fund will use our software and/or servers", rather than "the fund will trade bitcoin at our exchange".  

However, since there was no further confirmation of the "will trade bitcoin" interpretation, and the price collapsed right away, I think that the alternative interpretation is now quite likely.

Not very scientific of you stolfi. Unless you have actual evidence to suggest that this 3bn hedge fund is not going to use bitcoin on OKCOIN then well done on becoming an out and out FUD'er.


3bn hedge funds decide to borrow software from some random btc site to trade other stuff? makes sense, because multi billion dollar hedge funds couldn't possibly buy their own servers or write their own software without involving a third party if it had  nothing to do with bitcoin.

jorgestolfi is one of the stupider trolls in here, but he genuinely believes he's smarter than everyone else, he's staked his reputation and ego on bitcoin being a failure, so now he's desperate for it to fail rather than end up looking the fool.

I worked with high frequency trading firms, who were in the same sort of valuation league as the afore mentioned hedge fund, these are companies that will spend $2000 on their lunch order and hire the best network and programmer guys in the world on salaries of hundreds of thousands of dollars *per month* in order to gain just a millisecond or two advantage on the market, to think they'd just co opt third party software or even borrow a server is absolutely stupid.

The only possible explanation for a hedge fund trading on a bitcoin exchange is that they have something they want, and cannot simply buy for themselves, and the only thing okcoin possibly has that they do not have or cannot buy is access to bitcoin market info, or the liquidity they need to play.

It's not neccessarily a good thing like some of the more myopic believers in here think, they could just plan to HFT the market and suck every penny out of everyone until btc is worthless, if they can. hedgefunds, HFT firms and the like do not *need* the market to increase in value to turn a profit, so the fact a hedgefund is involved doesn't neccessarily mean the price has to spike, as professor stolfi seems convinced should have happened if it were true.
legendary
Activity: 4200
Merit: 4887
You're never too old to think young.
I gotta go with paper wallets as well. I don't entirely trust circle. I'll buy BTC there or Coinbase but then I'll transfer to my paper wallets.

I buy directly into paper wallets and mine directly into a paper wallet. I haven't used an exchange since May.

I do keep a couple of dozen coins at an exchange in case of an emergency or exceptional trading opportunity and less than 2 coins on my Android device for shopping, but I'm aware of the risk involved.
sr. member
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We will see a recover after the black friday.

Won't we?

Black Friday has little effect on the price of bitcoin... gotta wait until December 4th or soon thereafter.... but NO guarantees anything will happen after December 4; however, less likely any kind of rally will occur prior to December 4.

Out of curiosity why are you stating an importance to December 4th?

That's the date of the auction for the seized coins.

4th will see nothing about price, because everyone know the auction data and all its effects will be already priced
newbie
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We will see a recover after the black friday.

Won't we?

Black Friday has little effect on the price of bitcoin... gotta wait until December 4th or soon thereafter.... but NO guarantees anything will happen after December 4; however, less likely any kind of rally will occur prior to December 4.

Out of curiosity why are you stating an importance to December 4th?

That's the date of the auction for the seized coins.


govt shills might pump it back to $600 lmao Cheesy that would be funny
newbie
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Just say "no" to online Bitcoin storage.

Paper wallets FTW.

why not btc insured against theft like circle.com and like money is with banks


yeah lets back BTC with fiat and issue our own x50 derivatives muuahahah Wink fools!!!
legendary
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We will see a recover after the black friday.

Won't we?

Black Friday has little effect on the price of bitcoin... gotta wait until December 4th or soon thereafter.... but NO guarantees anything will happen after December 4; however, less likely any kind of rally will occur prior to December 4.

Out of curiosity why are you stating an importance to December 4th?

That's the date of the auction for the seized coins.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1000
World Class Cryptonaire
We will see a recover after the black friday.

Won't we?

Black Friday has little effect on the price of bitcoin... gotta wait until December 4th or soon thereafter.... but NO guarantees anything will happen after December 4; however, less likely any kind of rally will occur prior to December 4.

Out of curiosity why are you stating an importance to December 4th?
legendary
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Merit: 1000
@theshmadz
Just say "no" to online Bitcoin storage.

Paper wallets FTW.

why not btc insured against theft like circle.com and like money is with banks

How are the bitcoins insured?

Let me guess, if they have all their (your) bitcoin stolen they will reimburse you with the equivalent amount of fiat?

And if the exchange rate changes drastically during the period between the theft and the reimbursement? What then?
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1186
Just say "no" to online Bitcoin storage.

Paper wallets FTW.

why not btc insured against theft like circle.com and like money is with banks

What if the insuring site is hacked?

They can't hack a paper wallet that's never been exposed to the internet.

I gotta go with paper wallets as well. I don't entirely trust circle. I'll buy BTC there or Coinbase but then I'll transfer to my paper wallets.
legendary
Activity: 4200
Merit: 4887
You're never too old to think young.
Just say "no" to online Bitcoin storage.

Paper wallets FTW.

why not btc insured against theft like circle.com and like money is with banks

What if the insuring site is hacked?

They can't hack a paper wallet that's never been exposed to the internet.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1061
Smile
Just say "no" to online Bitcoin storage.

Paper wallets FTW.

why not btc insured against theft like circle.com and like money is with banks
legendary
Activity: 4200
Merit: 4887
You're never too old to think young.
Just say "no" to online Bitcoin storage.

Paper wallets FTW.
newbie
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In my opinion, bitcoin will be a success if it simply opens the public's eyes to the opacity and corruption of our current system of governance and forces at least some level of transparency upon the established controllers of money.

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that part still in beta Wink
full member
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...I started buying at $1200, but only small amounts, and I kept buying all year and my average BTC price currently is about $558. ...

JayJuanGee!  Think of how long you were banished to the moon!  You'll give us no choice but to send you back there if you don't stop!

Seriously tho, you started buying @1200 and still haven't stopped?
That's like the cheesiest after-school special Sad with "bad kids" bullying you into Bitcoin with "Just try it once, JayJuanGee, not like you gonna get hooked!  You chicken?  Bawk bawk bawk!  Or won't your MOMMY let you?"

Was that how it went?

Or did  d00d from the internet lure you in with "Psst, kid...  You want somethin' to REALLY make you fly?"

Brilliant!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIcnBccjgMw
legendary
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The major problem that I see with Blockchain.info, and the most likely avenue of the theft, is simply that Blockchain uses your email as your password recovery (and even emails you your unencrypted private key as an attachment upon request.

The attackers likely have access to large amounts of compromised email accounts. Simply search those for any messages from Blockchain and voila!

Withdrawing the funds is still tricky as you still need to log into the website to withdraw, thus the use of TOR.

I work in IT and although I don't have to deal with end users much anymore, I do have to provide support for IT staff from other companies. I would say that less than one in ten IT professionals Shocked that I deal with truly understand crypto. I don't expect the masses ever will.

It's gonna be real tough to make bitcoin idiot proof enough for the masses. I'm bearish on this ever being possible without abstraction by a third party.

In my opinion, bitcoin will be a success if it simply opens the public's eyes to the opacity and corruption of our current system of governance and forces at least some level of transparency upon the established controllers of money.

Price be damned.


it is already hear circle has insured btc against theft and apps on mobiles to have a go anywhere service to shop with btc. It is only small at the moment but an insight into the short term future of easy payment system for consumers insured against theft, merchants have bitpay and simply thats it.

More services in the areas based on circle.com model and bitpay model with more merchamt adoption and i can use btc anywhere





newbie
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I've just read about a major failiure in blockchain and a big theft of more than 10000 wallets

Link?

https://blockchain.info/wallet/security

sorry for waiting i had to dump my coins

I don't see anything there about a "major failure" or "big theft".

 Huh

Other than a few million satoshis in a spending wallet on a mobile device or a few coins on an exchange, why would anyone keep any bitcoins anywhere except in paper wallets?


just the idea of it needs to sink in ; the major vulnerabilities of "smart" phones need to be recognized! ..from the reading looks like that's what the blockchain breach boils down to! Wink
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