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sr. member
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Regardless of what I believe, telling "total bullshit because that creates new money" is wrong, if you care about that sort of thing.
Sustaining Bitcoin's price by lying to investors is fraud, no matter how you couch that.

Fraud? It's not fraud to tell someone you believe the value of Bitcoin is going to double or triple or whatever unless you attach a timeframe and profit from it personally. Being generally positive is just believing in Bitcoin.

But that's not what we're talking about.  We're talking about this:

I like the continuous to the moon talk even if it is total bullshit because that creates new money.



That's right. It's advertizing. You mean you people don't realize you are running a continuous Bitcoin advertisement? You know negative ads sell just like positive ones. That just sells the opposite outcome. People love Andreas because he sells a constant positive image of Bitcoin. People here are just as likely to sell a negative one. They may be telling what they honestly believe about the short term but it still can be a self fulling prophesy.

With a name like "QuestionAuthority," I sorta assumed that you tried for a moral highground.  Justifications along the lines of "if it's OK for selling used cars, it's fine for selling Bitcoin" are absurd.  Even from purely pragmatic standpoint.  When there's so much ideology and politics in the mix, lying backfires.

Just like your bluff 500BTC bet backfired--you were called on it, and had to do a lulzy backpeddle.  Not a win.

*I do not love Andreas or any shills, for that matter.  We're not selling timeshares.  We're trying to change the world.
If you're looking at my name for an answer, the authority I'm questioning are the people in this thread constantly giving advise as if they have a crystal ball. I didn't do a lutzy back peddle I flatly admitted it...

And you're lying still.  You challenged a user to a bet, and, after he accepted, you claimed that anything less than 500BTC was "not interesting" enough for you.
Only after being called out by multiple users did you admit to bluffing.
Own it before digging yourself in further.
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@ QuestionAuthority

I think all that the member you're discussing with does is troll, save your self from letting him accomplish his goal of wasting your time. I think your point is clear and for the most validated by how much shit I gotta wade through..and I am not referring to bearish sentiment as shit.
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downtrend is over?Huh

For time being yes, that 28k wall was main points where it's turn the bearish to bullish.
sr. member
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With a name like "QuestionAuthority," I sorta assumed that you tried for a moral highground.  Justifications along the lines of "if it's OK for selling used cars, it's fine for selling Bitcoin" are absurd.  Even from purely pragmatic standpoint.  When there's so much ideology and politics in the mix, lying backfires.

Just like your bluff 500BTC bet backfired--you were called on it, and had to do a lulzy backpeddle.  Not a win.

*I do not love Andreas or any shills, for that matter.  We're not selling timeshares.  We're trying to change the world.

Do you really think Andreas is just a shill?  I haven't read everything he's written about bitcoin, but my past impression of him was that he was earnestly trying to educate people about Bitcoin technology.  I never got the impression that he was trying to mislead anyone.

Otherwise, I agree wholeheartedly with the thesis of your posts above.


Sorry, that came off all wrong.  He's not just a shill, let me retract that.  Typed without thinking.
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Regardless of what I believe, telling "total bullshit because that creates new money" is wrong, if you care about that sort of thing.
Sustaining Bitcoin's price by lying to investors is fraud, no matter how you couch that.

Fraud? It's not fraud to tell someone you believe the value of Bitcoin is going to double or triple or whatever unless you attach a timeframe and profit from it personally. Being generally positive is just believing in Bitcoin.

But that's not what we're talking about.  We're talking about this:

I like the continuous to the moon talk even if it is total bullshit because that creates new money.



That's right. It's advertizing. You mean you people don't realize you are running a continuous Bitcoin advertisement? You know negative ads sell just like positive ones. That just sells the opposite outcome. People love Andreas because he sells a constant positive image of Bitcoin. People here are just as likely to sell a negative one. They may be telling what they honestly believe about the short term but it still can be a self fulling prophesy.

With a name like "QuestionAuthority," I sorta assumed that you tried for a moral highground.  Justifications along the lines of "if it's OK for selling used cars, it's fine for selling Bitcoin" are absurd.  Even from purely pragmatic standpoint.  When there's so much ideology and politics in the mix, lying backfires.

Just like your bluff 500BTC bet backfired--you were called on it, and had to do a lulzy backpeddle.  Not a win.

*I do not love Andreas or any shills, for that matter.  We're not selling timeshares.  We're trying to change the world.
If you're looking at my name for an answer, the authority I'm questioning are the people in this thread constantly giving advise as if they have a crystal ball. I didn't do a lutzy back peddle I flatly admitted it. In case it's not obvious yet, I don't really give a flying fuck about what anyone in this thread thinks because I think you're all full of shit anyway. If your going to be full of shit anyway at least make it positive.

Who doesn't like Andreas! You have a funny way of changing the world, posing as an authority and preaching about profit? What world are you trying to create exactly?
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Just let the price go up to 5 000 USD in the next months and this crisis philosophy will be over, I bet...
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legendary
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With a name like "QuestionAuthority," I sorta assumed that you tried for a moral highground.  Justifications along the lines of "if it's OK for selling used cars, it's fine for selling Bitcoin" are absurd.  Even from purely pragmatic standpoint.  When there's so much ideology and politics in the mix, lying backfires.

Just like your bluff 500BTC bet backfired--you were called on it, and had to do a lulzy backpeddle.  Not a win.

*I do not love Andreas or any shills, for that matter.  We're not selling timeshares.  We're trying to change the world.

Do you really think Andreas is just a shill?  I haven't read everything he's written about bitcoin, but my past impression of him was that he was earnestly trying to educate people about Bitcoin technology.  I never got the impression that he was trying to mislead anyone.

Otherwise, I agree wholeheartedly with the thesis of your posts above.
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Bitcoin depends on the moral integrity of authorities like Andreas and the Bitcoin foundation, and the common sense of the miner(pool)s, if I understood correctly. But I do trust in the open BIP concept. It's somehow like Linux. And whom would You trust Your money- Micro$oft or Torvalds and the open source community. I admit, deep question.
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
Moon is honest, earth is dishonest.
Bears wrong, bulls right.
Up is desirable, down is undesirable.
I good, you bad.

More group think, more confirmation bias, more brainwashing: Less profit for yourselves, more profit for me!

Well I'm glad someone gets it. lol Not really.

I would agree that leaders in the field discussing a trend honestly is good. Tell people what's really going on and back it up with thoughtful analysis. That's not what's really going on here. This is a running advertisement of bullshit views that may or may not be based on any reality at all but visitors are still viewing it and believing it. Click this link any hour of the day or night: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=unread What you will see is this thread and Altcoin threads which tells me two things. Altcoins are more popular than I'd like to believe and this thread is an important funnel of information on Bitcoin.
sr. member
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Regardless of what I believe, telling "total bullshit because that creates new money" is wrong, if you care about that sort of thing.
Sustaining Bitcoin's price by lying to investors is fraud, no matter how you couch that.

Fraud? It's not fraud to tell someone you believe the value of Bitcoin is going to double or triple or whatever unless you attach a timeframe and profit from it personally. Being generally positive is just believing in Bitcoin.

But that's not what we're talking about.  We're talking about this:

I like the continuous to the moon talk even if it is total bullshit because that creates new money.



That's right. It's advertizing. You mean you people don't realize you are running a continuous Bitcoin advertisement? You know negative ads sell just like positive ones. That just sells the opposite outcome. People love Andreas because he sells a constant positive image of Bitcoin. People here are just as likely to sell a negative one. They may be telling what they honestly believe about the short term but it still can be a self fulling prophesy.

With a name like "QuestionAuthority," I sorta assumed that you tried for a moral highground.  Justifications along the lines of "if it's OK for selling used cars, it's fine for selling Bitcoin" are absurd.  Even from purely pragmatic standpoint.  When there's so much ideology and politics in the mix, lying backfires.

Just like your bluff 500BTC bet backfired--you were called on it, and had to do a lulzy backpeddle.  Not a win.

*I do not love Andreas or any shills, for that matter.  We're not selling timeshares.  We're trying to change the world.
legendary
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Hide your women
I'm hoping that the Chinese will dump some more tonight so I can increase my position. I love being in a position where I don't care if the market goes up or down  Grin
sr. member
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That's right. It's advertizing. You mean you people don't realize you are running a continuous Bitcoin advertisement? You know negative ads sell just like positive ones. That just sells the opposite outcome. People love Andreas because he sells a constant positive image of Bitcoin. People here are just as likely to sell a negative one. They may be telling what they honestly believe about the short term but it still can be a self fulling prophesy.

Are you suggesting that bitcoin, to you, is nothing more than a multi-level marketing scheme?
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...delays possible

EDIT: @ posters mentioning bulls and train pics, this is the first train pic since the weekend Tongue

If you added it up, I bet there would be more posts of bears talking about train/moon pics, then there are bulls posts of actual train/moon pics.
N12
donator
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Moon is honest, earth is dishonest.
Bears wrong, bulls right.
Up is desirable, down is undesirable.
I good, you bad.

More group think, more confirmation bias, more brainwashing: Less profit for yourselves, more profit for me!
full member
Activity: 233
Merit: 100
What is that all about? Everyone who thinks Bitcoin is dumb just sell all and be lucky with Your great paper money regulated by honest gouvernments.
legendary
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Regardless of what I believe, telling "total bullshit because that creates new money" is wrong, if you care about that sort of thing.
Sustaining Bitcoin's price by lying to investors is fraud, no matter how you couch that.

Fraud? It's not fraud to tell someone you believe the value of Bitcoin is going to double or triple or whatever unless you attach a timeframe and profit from it personally. Being generally positive is just believing in Bitcoin.

But that's not what we're talking about.  We're talking about this:

I like the continuous to the moon talk even if it is total bullshit because that creates new money.



That's right. It's advertizing. You mean you people don't realize you are running a continuous Bitcoin advertisement? You know negative ads sell just like positive ones. That just sells the opposite outcome. People love Andreas because he sells a constant positive image of Bitcoin. People here are just as likely to sell a negative one. They may be telling what they honestly believe about the short term but it still can be a self fulling prophesy.

They aren't being honest. And that is the general idea.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1393
You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Regardless of what I believe, telling "total bullshit because that creates new money" is wrong, if you care about that sort of thing.
Sustaining Bitcoin's price by lying to investors is fraud, no matter how you couch that.

Fraud? It's not fraud to tell someone you believe the value of Bitcoin is going to double or triple or whatever unless you attach a timeframe and profit from it personally. Being generally positive is just believing in Bitcoin.

But that's not what we're talking about.  We're talking about this:

I like the continuous to the moon talk even if it is total bullshit because that creates new money.



That's right. It's advertizing. You mean you people don't realize you are running a continuous Bitcoin advertisement? You know negative ads sell just like positive ones. That just sells the opposite outcome. People love Andreas because he sells a constant positive image of Bitcoin. People here are just as likely to sell a negative one. They may be telling what they honestly believe about the short term but it still can be a self fulling prophesy.
sr. member
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I like the continuous to the moon talk even if it is total bullshit because that creates new money.

How very hypocritical of you.

No, not really. Read my last post and you'll see why it's for their own good.

I read all your posts. I still don't see it.

I like the continuous to the moon talk even if it is total bullshit because that creates new money.
It does but, when done with poor timing in a correction, it also creates a lot of negativity because people start to lose value pretty quickly. That can just as quickly start a cycle of negativity that actually inhibits new money.

It might be negative in the short run but think about the long run. Lots of positive here defeats the negative in the press. Some poor fool buys at the wrong time and there is a drop. Ok, he's pissed at first but won't sell because he doesn't want to lose any money. While he's waiting for an increase he starts to read and learn. Now he likes the idea of Bitcoin because he understands it. Eventually it goes up and he's a happy convert to the cult. All of the honesty here is fucking up Bitcoin. lol

How does the end of that post do anything but prove my point?

It's hypocritical to want people to buy into the idea of Bitcoin because it benefits me? Isn't that what businesses are trying to do with advertising?

It's hypocritical because the bear trolls want people to sell out of bitcoin because they think it benefits them, which is precisely the thing you are complaining about.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254

Regardless of what I believe, telling "total bullshit because that creates new money" is wrong, if you care about that sort of thing.
Sustaining Bitcoin's price by lying to investors is fraud, no matter how you couch that.

Fraud? It's not fraud to tell someone you believe the value of Bitcoin is going to double or triple or whatever unless you attach a timeframe and profit from it personally. Being generally positive is just believing in Bitcoin.

But that's not what we're talking about.  We're talking about this:

I like the continuous to the moon talk even if it is total bullshit because that creates new money.

With a forum moniker like QustionAuthority, you should probably come up with something a bit better than
...Isn't that what businesses are trying to do with advertising?

Advertising is regulated.  The claims made in ads can't be "total bullshit."
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